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After listening to the Backspacer previews....

rigneyclanrigneyclan Posts: 289
edited September 2009 in The Porch
I can honestly say that Pearl Jam have lost it. When I listen to these snippets, I hear aging, washed up, tired music that just tries too hard but ends up being stale. It really pains me to say that but it's true. What happened to the energy, the spirit? Where's the creative spark, so evident on all Pearl Jam albums up until Avocado?? It just really saddens me to see such a decline in their music. I can't imagine how this could be considered growth or any type of positive step forward musically, at all.

Maybe it's just too poppy, too bland, too predictable, or too simple for me but knowing what they've done before, they definitely could have done better with Backspacer. Look at Fugazi. Every album they did was a real progression of their sound, each one being different, and better, from the last, never recycled or forced. Pearl Jam had something similar going up until Avocado, then the quality just took a giant dive and the lyrics took a hit as well.

I'm still a fan of the band and everything (well, I guess of what they used to be)...just seems like they're not trying anymore, which is disappointing.
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  • Jerome230Jerome230 Posts: 903
    Ouch.
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  • joewalshdcjoewalshdc Posts: 948
    rigneyclan wrote:
    I can honestly say that Pearl Jam have lost it. When I listen to these snippets, I hear aging, washed up, tired music that just tries too hard but ends up being stale. It really pains me to say that but it's true. What happened to the energy, the spirit? Where's the creative spark, so evident on all Pearl Jam albums up until Avocado?? It just really saddens me to see such a decline in their music. I can't imagine how this could be considered growth or any type of positive step forward musically, at all.

    Maybe it's just too poppy, too bland, too predictable, or too simple for me but knowing what they've done before, they definitely could have done better with Backspacer. Look at Fugazi. Every album they did was a real progression of their sound, each one being different, and better, from the last, never recycled or forced. Pearl Jam had something similar going up until Avocado, then the quality just took a giant dive and the lyrics took a hit as well.

    I'm still a fan of the band and everything (well, I guess of what they used to be)...just seems like they're not trying anymore, which is disappointing.

    All this from snippets?
    Funny you mention lyrics, jeff says in the promo video he feels theres no better lyrics out there...
    Its quite easy to forget this is a forum for PJ fans...all i read nowadays is negativity...
    I cant wait for the album....THE WHOLE ALBUM
  • 37pheet37pheet Posts: 433
    DAMN RIght i want to hear the hole thing b4 i make an assumption. they are TOO good of a band to degress. This album is gonna be BANANAS.........................................I Hope
  • pearljgirl2010pearljgirl2010 Shillington, PA/Tuckerton, NJ Posts: 3,428
    joewalshdc wrote:
    All this from snippets?
    Funny you mention lyrics, jeff says in the promo video he feels theres no better lyrics out there...
    Its quite easy to forget this is a forum for PJ fans...all i read nowadays is negativity...
    I cant wait for the album....THE WHOLE ALBUM


    I'm with you on this one...I can't tell a darn thing from those snippets...except that I can't FREAKING WAIT for this whole album!
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  • Music For RhinosMusic For Rhinos Posts: 1,693
    agreed, people need to stop judging the album from "snippets" and writing it off before it's even released.
  • SomethingCreativeSomethingCreative Kazoo, MI Posts: 3,397
    yeah they should just stop making music :roll:
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  • pjamaholicpjamaholic Posts: 1,225
    rigneyclan wrote:
    I can honestly say that Pearl Jam have lost it. When I listen to these snippets, I hear aging, washed up, tired music that just tries too hard but ends up being stale. It really pains me to say that but it's true. What happened to the energy, the spirit? Where's the creative spark, so evident on all Pearl Jam albums up until Avocado?? It just really saddens me to see such a decline in their music. I can't imagine how this could be considered growth or any type of positive step forward musically, at all.

    Maybe it's just too poppy, too bland, too predictable, or too simple for me but knowing what they've done before, they definitely could have done better with Backspacer. Look at Fugazi. Every album they did was a real progression of their sound, each one being different, and better, from the last, never recycled or forced. Pearl Jam had something similar going up until Avocado, then the quality just took a giant dive and the lyrics took a hit as well.

    I'm still a fan of the band and everything (well, I guess of what they used to be)...just seems like they're not trying anymore, which is disappointing.


    I knew there would be posts like this. Not everyone is going to like this album. It doesn't matter what PJ come up, there will always be this sort of negativity.
  • EquallyWorthlessEquallyWorthless Posts: 3,993
    Music For Rhinos wrote:
    agreed, people need to stop judging the album from "snippets" and writing it off before it's even released.


    at the same time, to each his own right, if that's how the guy feels that is how he feels and he is entitled to it and not only is he entitled to it but as a paying 10c member he is entitled to come here and express how he feels about it in a thread he thinks anyone gives a shit about.
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  • ChrisileinChrisilein Vienna/Austria Posts: 3,905
    I cannot agree to that! After listening to The Fixer and Got Some about 20 times I have to say that they sound great!!

    ...and they play the video in Austrian Television every day!!! I love it!!

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  • VinnieNonoseVinnieNonose Posts: 12
    Even if the new album is a duffer, it doesn't mean PJ have lost it! All great bands who last for a while make at least 1 poor album - Stones, Who, Weezer, Lennon, Metallica etc. I've only heard the single and Got Some live and I'm avoiding snippets, youtube, downloads etc and awaiting the new album with relish.
  • ZosoZoso Posts: 6,425
    can't agree.. easily better than avocado of what i have heard and i just love everything i have heard to be honest... a fresh pj in a good way. more excited than when i heard bits from avocado.
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  • Mcam55Mcam55 Posts: 1,407
    rigneyclan wrote:
    I can honestly say that Pearl Jam have lost it.

    After reading only the first sentence of your post...I can honestly say you have lost it. I didn’t bother to read the whole post with any of your arguments. I just read the first snippet and I easily made the assessment that the post was going to suck and you are wrong. :D
  • OffHeGoes29OffHeGoes29 Posts: 1,240
    I do remember people saying the same thing about No Code....which is one of the best albums in HISTORY! :shock:
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    edited September 2009
    rigneyclan wrote:
    I can honestly say that Pearl Jam have lost it. When I listen to these snippets, I hear aging, washed up, tired music that just tries too hard but ends up being stale. It really pains me to say that but it's true. What happened to the energy, the spirit? Where's the creative spark, so evident on all Pearl Jam albums up until Avocado?? It just really saddens me to see such a decline in their music. I can't imagine how this could be considered growth or any type of positive step forward musically, at all.

    Maybe it's just too poppy, too bland, too predictable, or too simple for me but knowing what they've done before, they definitely could have done better with Backspacer. Look at Fugazi. Every album they did was a real progression of their sound, each one being different, and better, from the last, never recycled or forced. Pearl Jam had something similar going up until Avocado, then the quality just took a giant dive and the lyrics took a hit as well.

    I'm still a fan of the band and everything (well, I guess of what they used to be)...just seems like they're not trying anymore, which is disappointing.
    Hey guess what.. THEY ARE AGING! Can't go backwards.

    People have been saying this every album since Vs was released.

    These are 30 second clips, man.. Someone here needs to get laid.

    Personally, I've never been more excited about 30 second clips. They haven't had this much energy since Yield.
    Post edited by LikeAnOcean on
  • SpagsSpags Leigh-on-Sea, UK Posts: 3,052
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Music For Rhinos wrote:
    agreed, people need to stop judging the album from "snippets" and writing it off before it's even released.
    If I had a dollar for everyone who heard a new Pearl Jam song and thought it sucked, but came back a few weeks later and thought it was ok, and then came back a few years later and thought it was a classic, I'd be pretty damn rich.
  • PJ_HawkeyePJ_Hawkeye Posts: 68
    EquallyWorthless wrote:
    Music For Rhinos wrote:
    agreed, people need to stop judging the album from "snippets" and writing it off before it's even released.


    at the same time, to each his own right, if that's how the guy feels that is how he feels and he is entitled to it and not only is he entitled to it but as a paying 10c member he is entitled to come here and express how he feels about it in a thread he thinks anyone gives a shit about.

    Agreed they have the right...but, I just don't get the trash on this site. It is a FAN site. I come here to read live reviews, get ADHD about the new album, etc. etc. The fact that people come here to complain boggles me.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,484
    pearljgirl2010 wrote:
    ...except that I can't FREAKING WAIT for this whole album!

    my thoughts exactly!
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  • Mrs.Vedder78Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    joewalshdc wrote:
    rigneyclan wrote:
    I can honestly say that Pearl Jam have lost it. When I listen to these snippets, I hear aging, washed up, tired music that just tries too hard but ends up being stale. It really pains me to say that but it's true. What happened to the energy, the spirit? Where's the creative spark, so evident on all Pearl Jam albums up until Avocado?? It just really saddens me to see such a decline in their music. I can't imagine how this could be considered growth or any type of positive step forward musically, at all.

    Maybe it's just too poppy, too bland, too predictable, or too simple for me but knowing what they've done before, they definitely could have done better with Backspacer. Look at Fugazi. Every album they did was a real progression of their sound, each one being different, and better, from the last, never recycled or forced. Pearl Jam had something similar going up until Avocado, then the quality just took a giant dive and the lyrics took a hit as well.

    I'm still a fan of the band and everything (well, I guess of what they used to be)...just seems like they're not trying anymore, which is disappointing.

    All this from snippets?
    Funny you mention lyrics, jeff says in the promo video he feels theres no better lyrics out there...
    Its quite easy to forget this is a forum for PJ fans...all i read nowadays is negativity...
    I cant wait for the album....THE WHOLE ALBUM


    Well I guess not everyone is gonna be happy with this album, I definitely see progression, I dont want them stuck trying to produce more albums like No Code, or Yield, those were great then and still are, but its 9, 11, 13 years later, and the sound must change and grow together with the band, IMO I think that's what they've done, everyone will have their own opinion on this album, some good some bad, I just wish they'd at least wait for the album to come out rather than judging the songs based on 30 second clips :?

    I can't wait for this album!! :D
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  • Mrs.Vedder78Mrs.Vedder78 Posts: 4,585
    edited September 2009
    EquallyWorthless wrote:
    Music For Rhinos wrote:
    agreed, people need to stop judging the album from "snippets" and writing it off before it's even released.


    at the same time, to each his own right, if that's how the guy feels that is how he feels and he is entitled to it and not only is he entitled to it but as a paying 10c member he is entitled to come here and express how he feel s about it in a thread he thinks anyone gives a shit about.


    I agree, it seems that over the past few days writing a bad review gets you some kind of insult from another board member :?

    I think this album is gonna be great, I love what I've heard so far, but I don't expect for everyone to feel the same way.
    Post edited by Mrs.Vedder78 on
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  • crazygeocrazygeo Posts: 2,380
    like I always said, if you don't like what you see, change the channel and walk away, everyone has their "opinion"

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  • bootheadboothead Posts: 145
    come on guys. Fugazi is better then PJ? is that what someone is saying? I am not here to spread hate. I dont really even post on the forum but when I read that i had to say something. He/She is obviously joking or if not, just trying to piss some of us off but still.
  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,887
    To each their own....

    I myself (as everyone knows) am not a fan of the last 2 albums. I havent listened to either of them for a long long time. The music on those albums just doesnt do a damn thing for me.

    And after the Chicago shows I also came to the conclusion....

    That the last 2 albums dont really do a damn thing for the band either....

    What did they play.....ONE Riot Act song????

    One or 2 Avocado songs????


    That makes a Big Bold Beautiful statement as far as what the band thinks of those albums.....Right???
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  • BM67227BM67227 Posts: 15
    Good...give me your tenclub number and any other stuff that you want to give up. This album is going to be very good...their sound is progressing and I'll be along for the ride until their done! :mrgreen:
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  • QuarterToTenQuarterToTen Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 3,642
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    To each their own....

    I myself (as everyone knows) am not a fan of the last 2 albums. I havent listened to either of them for a long long time. The music on those albums just doesnt do a damn thing for me.

    And after the Chicago shows I also came to the conclusion....

    That the last 2 albums dont really do a damn thing for the band either....

    What did they play.....ONE Riot Act song????

    One or 2 Avocado songs????


    That makes a Big Bold Beautiful statement as far as what the band thinks of those albums.....Right???

    the omission of songs from those albums does indeed speak volumes.
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    To each their own....

    I myself (as everyone knows) am not a fan of the last 2 albums. I havent listened to either of them for a long long time. The music on those albums just doesnt do a damn thing for me.

    And after the Chicago shows I also came to the conclusion....

    That the last 2 albums dont really do a damn thing for the band either....

    What did they play.....ONE Riot Act song????

    One or 2 Avocado songs????


    That makes a Big Bold Beautiful statement as far as what the band thinks of those albums.....Right???
    Actually they played 6 songs from Riot Act and Avocado over the two nights.. Given they now have nine albums to choose from, thats not that bad. 8-)
  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,887
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    To each their own....

    I myself (as everyone knows) am not a fan of the last 2 albums. I havent listened to either of them for a long long time. The music on those albums just doesnt do a damn thing for me.

    And after the Chicago shows I also came to the conclusion....

    That the last 2 albums dont really do a damn thing for the band either....

    What did they play.....ONE Riot Act song????

    One or 2 Avocado songs????


    That makes a Big Bold Beautiful statement as far as what the band thinks of those albums.....Right???
    Actually they played 6 songs from Riot Act and Avocado over the two nights.. Given they now have nine albums to choose from, thats not that bad. 8-)
    August 23, 2009 Chicago, Illinois, United Center

    Set List: Long Road, Corduroy, Why Go, God's Dice, Dissident, Small Town, Sad, The Fixer, Given to Fly, (Happy Birthday To Mike Richter), Come Back, Even Flow, Save You, In Hiding, Man Of The Hour, Insignificance, Got Some, Spin The Black Circle

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    Night I.....1 RIOT ACT??????

    1 off of Avocado????

    right????
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,887
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    To each their own....

    I myself (as everyone knows) am not a fan of the last 2 albums. I havent listened to either of them for a long long time. The music on those albums just doesnt do a damn thing for me.

    And after the Chicago shows I also came to the conclusion....

    That the last 2 albums dont really do a damn thing for the band either....

    What did they play.....ONE Riot Act song????

    One or 2 Avocado songs????


    That makes a Big Bold Beautiful statement as far as what the band thinks of those albums.....Right???
    Actually they played 6 songs from Riot Act and Avocado over the two nights.. Given they now have nine albums to choose from, thats not that bad. 8-)
    August 24, 2009 Chicago, Illinois, United Center

    Set List: Hard To Imagine, Corduroy, In My Tree, Last Exit, All Night, Nothingman, The Fixer, Even Flow, Present Tense, Whipping, Not For You/(Modern Girl-Sleater Kinney), Daughter/(Another Brick In The Wall part 2-Waters), Brother, Gone, Got Some, Do The Evolution, Alive

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    2nd encore: Wasted Reprise, Better Man/(Save It For Later-Charlery, Cox, Morton, Steele, Wakeling), Crazy Mary (Williams), State Of Love And Trust, Fuckin' Up (Young), Yellow Ledbetter/(Star Spangled Banner

    Night II

    NO RIOT ACT??????

    Comotose, and Gone.....And I guess we will count the wasted Reprise intro to Betterman....

    So I come up with 4 songs....and the intro...

    What am i missing???

    Life Wasted night I.....nevermind.....hehehehehehe
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  • DiRtyFranK38DiRtyFranK38 Posts: 3,131
    wow, that's crazy talk. i don't agree with a single thing you said. i think the clips sound incredible and this could end up one of pj's best albums.
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    i quote chevy chase from vacation:

    "i think you're all fucked in the head!"


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