Just wanted to say.......

Cosmo

mb262200 wrote:

DeParle is recorded on video saying that it is in americas best interest to care for somebody ill thats 35 when somebody ill and elderly would be a waste of government money. I don't believe everything Beck says, but in the last week he has been on this issue and he has ALOT of video footage. Don't know where or how he got it but in any case, video tape does not lie.

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I need a reference on that one or the full text of the comment and the speech or conversation it was taken from so i can see the context.
All things being equal... do you disgree?
or... does it matter if the 35 year old is a surgeon and the 65 year old a retired bus driver...
or... the 35 year old is a crack addict and the 65 year old is a college professor?
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I'm not saying, either way.
But, the elderly can still have the health care if their insurance company's 'Death Panel' is willing to pay for the treatment. If not the insurance... what about the kids. Wouldn't you go broke to extend the life of your grandparents? Your parents?

brandon10

mb262200 wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

And oh ya,when we're 65 do you really think that government health care is really going to care about you under this new reform?...NOT! Have you heard of the Czars?

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No, i haven't. Please, explain the Czars to me.

well, I know you probably don't like Beck but give him a listen with an open mind. It can't hurt.

hahahahahahahahahahah

Lauri

mb262200 wrote:

Lauri wrote:

Feedback effects. Improve circumstances for some, improve circumstances for everyone. Basic economics: don't worry about the size of your piece of pie, make the pie bigger. If you sell bananas, you want as many people as possible to be able to buy bananas. Capitalism is not Malthusian.

What is Malthusian?

Thomas Malthus was a sort of population economist in the 18th and 19th century who theorized that there was a fixed amount of food in the world and if you kept making social improvements and helped enough people to be able to eat, they would take the share of food away from other people and the population would die out. Bascially that social development is a zero sum game. Most scholars do not subscribe to Malthusianism anymore, because it fails to account for technological advances, etc. It sort of applies to environmental sustainability theory, but it doesn't apply to social/development economics anymore: making some people better off does not necessarily make everyone else worse off, and in fact, due to feedback effects, can actually make everyone better off.

gimmesometruth27

still can't find any credible links on health czars. looks like glen beck is the only one looking into this, but then again he is the only one looking into communist artwork in the rockefeller center......this is a pulitzer prize waiting to happen.... :roll:

Commy

mb262200 wrote:

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the ...gover......nment does not first take from someone else. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

And the president took for granted, writing checks on others pay!!!!!

true, but the current legislation has had wages stagnate since the 70s, has nearly outlawed unions, has seen exponential increases in CEO and manager pay, has put us all back into wealth levels not seen since the 1920's.



however the system got to this point.......what its doing is funneling wealth to the top. the rich have been getting richer and the poor poorer.....due in large part to the heavy corporate influence on gov't policy.....


a little legislation to UNDO some of that damage is necessary, if a living wage is of any concern.

PJPOWER

I, for one, probably wouldn't mind paying more taxes to help people if so much of the taxes I already pay were not being spent on cigarettes, big screen TVs, and other wasteful things through our current "government programs". I was behind someone the other day buying a Ribeye steak with a Lonestar card...If I were living off someone else's money, I think I would feel a little obligated to stretch the dollar as far as I could instead of buying things that will get me through 1 meal! It's not that I don't want to pay taxes to help people that need the help, I just don't want to pay taxes for people that don't even try to help themselves.

Cosmo

mb262200 wrote:

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the ...gover......nment does not first take from someone else. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

And the president took for granted, writing checks on others pay!!!!!

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You heard this on talk radio... didn't you?
I was driving back from the Home Depot yesterday and heard an on air celebrity utter the same exact words.
The words are not your, rather those of Adrian Rodgers... a conservative and pastor of the Souther Baptist Ministries megachurch.
And the actual quote is this...
"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the industrious out of it. You don't multiply wealth by dividing it. Government cannot give anything to anybody that it doesn't first take from somebody else. Whenever somebody receives something without working for it, somebody else has to work for it without receiving. The worst thing that can happen to a nation is for half of the people to get the idea they don't have to work because somebody else will work for them, and the other half to get the idea that it does no good to work because they don't get to enjoy the fruit of their labor."
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So... shouldn't the title of this post be:
"Just Wanted to Pass On This Quote..."
because you didn't say these thing... you heard/read them.
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I'm kind of a stickler for the Truth.

blackredyellow

PJPOWER wrote:

I, for one, probably wouldn't mind paying more taxes to help people if so much of the taxes I already pay were not being spent on cigarettes, big screen TVs, and other wasteful things through our current "government programs". I was behind someone the other day buying a Ribeye steak with a Lonestar card...If I were living off someone else's money, I think I would feel a little obligated to stretch the dollar as far as I could instead of buying things that will get me through 1 meal! It's not that I don't want to pay taxes to help people that need the help, I just don't want to pay taxes for people that don't even try to help themselves.

That's what bothers me as well... A couple of months ago I was behind a young couple with 2 kids checking out at the grocery store. The vast majority of their food was junk... multiple bags of doritos and other snacks, frozen pizzas, bags of french fries, candy, ice cream etc... and they paid with a food stamp card...

I was just thinking that if they always ate like that, of all the upcoming health problems that they and their kids will develop because of poor nutrition that our tax dollars will have to pay for.


Public assistance is a great thing, and I have no problem with helping people who have landed on tough times or have some sort of health issue preventing them from working, but there are so many people out there who abuse the system, and view it as something to rely on, instead of something to help them get back on their feet.

Cosmo

blackredyellow wrote:

PJPOWER wrote:

I, for one, probably wouldn't mind paying more taxes to help people if so much of the taxes I already pay were not being spent on cigarettes, big screen TVs, and other wasteful things through our current "government programs". I was behind someone the other day buying a Ribeye steak with a Lonestar card...If I were living off someone else's money, I think I would feel a little obligated to stretch the dollar as far as I could instead of buying things that will get me through 1 meal! It's not that I don't want to pay taxes to help people that need the help, I just don't want to pay taxes for people that don't even try to help themselves.

That's what bothers me as well... A couple of months ago I was behind a young couple with 2 kids checking out at the grocery store. The vast majority of their food was junk... multiple bags of doritos and other snacks, frozen pizzas, bags of french fries, candy, ice cream etc... and they paid with a food stamp card...

I was just thinking that if they always ate like that, of all the upcoming health problems that they and their kids will develop because of poor nutrition that our tax dollars will have to pay for.


Public assistance is a great thing, and I have no problem with helping people who have landed on tough times or have some sort of health issue preventing them from working, but there are so many people out there who abuse the system, and view it as something to rely on, instead of something to help them get back on their feet.

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The thing is... we don't know.
A possible explanation would be that they both worked multiple minimum wage jobs and don't have the time to cook healthy meals... hell.. i have one well paying job and I eat crap like that. Last night, I had a frozen pizza from Costco, some string cheese and a Hagen Daas bar.
We really don't know what their situation is... unless we ask. But, we don't ask.

tybird

Cosmo wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the ...gover......nment does not first take from someone else. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

And the president took for granted, writing checks on others pay!!!!!

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You heard this on talk radio... didn't you?
I was driving back from the Home Depot yesterday and heard an on air celebrity utter the same exact words.
The words are not your, rather those of Adrian Rodgers... a conservative and pastor of the Souther Baptist Ministries megachurch.
And the actual quote is this...
"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the industrious out of it. You don't multiply wealth by dividing it. Government cannot give anything to anybody that it doesn't first take from somebody else. Whenever somebody receives something without working for it, somebody else has to work for it without receiving. The worst thing that can happen to a nation is for half of the people to get the idea they don't have to work because somebody else will work for them, and the other half to get the idea that it does no good to work because they don't get to enjoy the fruit of their labor."
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So... shouldn't the title of this post be:
"Just Wanted to Pass On This Quote..."
because you didn't say these thing... you heard/read them.
...
I'm kind of a stickler for the Truth.

Rock it, Cosmo....the truth shall set you free.

gimmesometruth27

Cosmo wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the ...gover......nment does not first take from someone else. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

And the president took for granted, writing checks on others pay!!!!!

...
You heard this on talk radio... didn't you?
I was driving back from the Home Depot yesterday and heard an on air celebrity utter the same exact words.
The words are not your, rather those of Adrian Rodgers... a conservative and pastor of the Souther Baptist Ministries megachurch.
And the actual quote is this...
"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the industrious out of it. You don't multiply wealth by dividing it. Government cannot give anything to anybody that it doesn't first take from somebody else. Whenever somebody receives something without working for it, somebody else has to work for it without receiving. The worst thing that can happen to a nation is for half of the people to get the idea they don't have to work because somebody else will work for them, and the other half to get the idea that it does no good to work because they don't get to enjoy the fruit of their labor."
...
So... shouldn't the title of this post be:
"Just Wanted to Pass On This Quote..."
because you didn't say these thing... you heard/read them.
...
I'm kind of a stickler for the Truth.

ouch.....good find cosmo. its gotta suck when you get busted like that...

Cosmo

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

ouch.....good find cosmo. its gotta suck when you get busted like that...

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Actually, it's a pretty solid quote.. and i seriously thought the original poster came up with it.
But, hearing it on AM Radio... made me think, What That Heck? So, I looked it up. And it appears mostly on Right Wing Blogs or forums where most people attribute the quote to Adrian Rogers in 1931. Rogers was born in 1931 and died of cancer in 2005. The quote was taken from a his 1996 book, 'Ten Secrets To A Successful Family'.
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and it is true... you cannot legislate the poor in to freedom and the government cannot give to someone unless it takes it from another.
if the rich cared about the poor, they'd cut out the middle man of the government and help out... freely and voluentarily. But, that ain't happening either because people believe the poor are not less fortunate, but wicked and lazy.

PJPOWER

Cosmo wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

PJPOWER wrote:

I, for one, probably wouldn't mind paying more taxes to help people if so much of the taxes I already pay were not being spent on cigarettes, big screen TVs, and other wasteful things through our current "government programs". I was behind someone the other day buying a Ribeye steak with a Lonestar card...If I were living off someone else's money, I think I would feel a little obligated to stretch the dollar as far as I could instead of buying things that will get me through 1 meal! It's not that I don't want to pay taxes to help people that need the help, I just don't want to pay taxes for people that don't even try to help themselves.

That's what bothers me as well... A couple of months ago I was behind a young couple with 2 kids checking out at the grocery store. The vast majority of their food was junk... multiple bags of doritos and other snacks, frozen pizzas, bags of french fries, candy, ice cream etc... and they paid with a food stamp card...

I was just thinking that if they always ate like that, of all the upcoming health problems that they and their kids will develop because of poor nutrition that our tax dollars will have to pay for.


Public assistance is a great thing, and I have no problem with helping people who have landed on tough times or have some sort of health issue preventing them from working, but there are so many people out there who abuse the system, and view it as something to rely on, instead of something to help them get back on their feet.

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The thing is... we don't know.
A possible explanation would be that they both worked multiple minimum wage jobs and don't have the time to cook healthy meals... hell.. i have one well paying job and I eat crap like that. Last night, I had a frozen pizza from Costco, some string cheese and a Hagen Daas bar.
We really don't know what their situation is... unless we ask. But, we don't ask.

Well, in my example I was lucky enough to hear the cashier ask them if they were having a cookout...not that one couldn't figure out that by the beer and charcoal in basket #2. Bullshit me having to fund their BBQ when I'm not even invited, lol. I should have stopped by and grabbed a beer without asking and walked off

Cosmo

PJPOWER wrote:

Well, in my example I was lucky enough to hear the cashier ask them if they were having a cookout...not that one couldn't figure out that by the beer and charcoal in basket #2. Bullshit me having to fund their BBQ when I'm not even invited, lol. I should have stopped by and grabbed a beer without asking and walked off

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I know what you are saying... there are cheaters in the system and they need to be punished... not so much that they are taking from you and me... but, they are taking from the poor people who actually need the food.
The problem is the people, not the idea of Food Stamps.

OnTheEdge

Cosmo wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the ...gover......nment does not first take from someone else. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

And the president took for granted, writing checks on others pay!!!!!

...
You heard this on talk radio... didn't you?
I was driving back from the Home Depot yesterday and heard an on air celebrity utter the same exact words.
The words are not your, rather those of Adrian Rodgers... a conservative and pastor of the Souther Baptist Ministries megachurch.
And the actual quote is this...
"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the industrious out of it. You don't multiply wealth by dividing it. Government cannot give anything to anybody that it doesn't first take from somebody else. Whenever somebody receives something without working for it, somebody else has to work for it without receiving. The worst thing that can happen to a nation is for half of the people to get the idea they don't have to work because somebody else will work for them, and the other half to get the idea that it does no good to work because they don't get to enjoy the fruit of their labor."
...
So... shouldn't the title of this post be:
"Just Wanted to Pass On This Quote..."
because you didn't say these thing... you heard/read them.
...
I'm kind of a stickler for the Truth.

yes cosmo, didn't mean to mislead anybody. I actualy got the quote from one of my friends on facebook and she said I could post it

OnTheEdge

Cosmo wrote:

mb262200 wrote:

You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the ...gover......nment does not first take from someone else. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it.

And the president took for granted, writing checks on others pay!!!!!

...
You heard this on talk radio... didn't you?
I was driving back from the Home Depot yesterday and heard an on air celebrity utter the same exact words.
The words are not your, rather those of Adrian Rodgers... a conservative and pastor of the Souther Baptist Ministries megachurch.
And the actual quote is this...
"You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the industrious out of it. You don't multiply wealth by dividing it. Government cannot give anything to anybody that it doesn't first take from somebody else. Whenever somebody receives something without working for it, somebody else has to work for it without receiving. The worst thing that can happen to a nation is for half of the people to get the idea they don't have to work because somebody else will work for them, and the other half to get the idea that it does no good to work because they don't get to enjoy the fruit of their labor."
...
So... shouldn't the title of this post be:
"Just Wanted to Pass On This Quote..."
because you didn't say these thing... you heard/read them.
...
I'm kind of a stickler for the Truth.

yes cosmo, didn't mean to mislead anybody. I actualy got the quote from one of my friends on facebook and she said I could post it