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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,898
    mca47 wrote:
    Have no problem with this.

    I think it's funny how the republicans are getting all bent out of shape about this.



    I'm also pretty sure if Obama was ever caught sneezing and nobody blessed him, they'd all run for their lives as the demons have been released...


    It is weird what people end up rallying around isn't it?
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    I have no issue with the President addressing kids on the importance of education. How exactly is that a bad thing? Our nation has truly become some warped, people are trained to shoot the messenger and ignore the message. It's modern day cave man talk - Obama bad, message bad... Just ignorance. As I get older and learn and experience more, the more I realize how stupid our society is and even myself, who wants to help build a better nation/world for the future, it's just unrealistic because we have high standards and hopes, with so little follow through from all the participants necessary to make it happen. Quite sad.
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  • Lizard
    Lizard So Cal Posts: 12,091
    mca47 wrote:
    Have no problem with this.

    I think it's funny how the republicans are getting all bent out of shape about this.

    It's also very pathetic...................let's keep up this partisan crap--does wonders for the country.
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  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    tybird wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Okay... now, i agree with AcousticGuy because after reading that... I am now officially brainwashed to believe I am now a Nazi and ve must kell owl off der Jews... und ve must bekomen der Socialist und wearen der Lederhosen und drinken der LowenBrau... und invaden der Canada mit der blitzen Kreig. Heil Hitl... er... Obama!!! O-bomb-a, O-bomb-a... uber alles...
    Canada=Lebensraum :twisted:
    ....
    What the hell do I know? I'm just a Kool-aid drinking, goose-stepping, Obama worshiping, socialist/fascist/communist Islamic Nazi terrorist brown shirt.
    ...
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  • tybird
    tybird Posts: 17,388
    Cosmo wrote:
    tybird wrote:
    Cosmo wrote:
    ...
    Okay... now, i agree with AcousticGuy because after reading that... I am now officially brainwashed to believe I am now a Nazi and ve must kell owl off der Jews... und ve must bekomen der Socialist und wearen der Lederhosen und drinken der LowenBrau... und invaden der Canada mit der blitzen Kreig. Heil Hitl... er... Obama!!! O-bomb-a, O-bomb-a... uber alles...
    Canada=Lebensraum :twisted:
    ....
    What the hell do I know? I'm just a Kool-aid drinking, goose-stepping, Obama worshiping, socialist/fascist/communist Islamic Nazi terrorist brown shirt.
    ...
    that has 5 dates confirmed for Pearl Jam this October.
    So, you pretty much hate yourself, eh :twisted:
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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,237
    One thing that's pretty consistent about acoustic guy is that he starts these threads and seems to disappear after doing so. Love to hear back from him.

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  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,337
    g under p wrote:
    One thing that's pretty consistent about acoustic guy is that he starts these threads and seems to disappear after doing so. Love to hear back from him.

    Peace

    It's easy to not post back when the original post itself was ridiculous.
    Either that or he's scouring the right-winged web pages for a rebuttal.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Even if we dont agree on most things......



    we can agree that this argument is beyond stupid
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  • mca47
    mca47 Posts: 13,337
    FiveB247x wrote:
    As I get older and learn and experience more, the more I realize how stupid our society is and even myself, who wants to help build a better nation/world for the future, it's just unrealistic because we have high standards and hopes, with so little follow through from all the participants necessary to make it happen. Quite sad.

    I've been feeling the same way the last couple of years.
    It all just seems so petty, and so childish. I am constantly amazed that for as intelligent of a species that we are labeled, how completely dumb people can be.
    Politics, religion...all childish.

    Look at all the shit that is going on in the world and it is pathetic! It's like children drawing a line in the middle of the sandbox. Only certain people can be on my side of the sandbox and we will fight for the best bucket and plastic shovel...and if people die in the process, so be it.

    I find myself getting caught up in politics, but in reality I wish I could just pick up and move to some island somewhere where I would never have to deal with politics or religion ever again.
  • JD Sal
    JD Sal Posts: 790
    cincybearcat wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Howabout we also stop taking our kids to church..


    Ummm...why exactly? And how is this similar?

    If you want to have a serious discussion about indoctrinating and brainwashing children, then let's talk about parents taking their kids to church instead of parents letting their kids watch a speech given by the President.

    blackredyellow wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    I guess I should have reworded that... If we don't want our leaders talking to children for fear of indoctrinating them early, it would only be sensible for leaders of all movements not to speak directly to children.

    The obvious difference is that parents can decided to take their child to church or not.

    It's not an obvious difference because parents can decide if they want their children to view the speech. It's not mandatory and parents can opt out if they choose.
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  • JD Sal
    JD Sal Posts: 790
    mca47 wrote:
    I find myself getting caught up in politics, but in reality I wish I could just pick up and move to some island somewhere where I would never have to deal with politics or religion ever again.

    Save a hut for me if you ever find this eutopia!
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  • Pepe Silvia
    Pepe Silvia Posts: 3,758
    JD Sal wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Howabout we also stop taking our kids to church..


    Ummm...why exactly? And how is this similar?

    If you want to have a serious discussion about indoctrinating and brainwashing children, then let's talk about parents taking their kids to church instead of parents letting their kids watch a speech given by the President.

    blackredyellow wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    I guess I should have reworded that... If we don't want our leaders talking to children for fear of indoctrinating them early, it would only be sensible for leaders of all movements not to speak directly to children.

    The obvious difference is that parents can decided to take their child to church or not.

    It's not an obvious difference because parents can decide if they want their children to view the speech. It's not mandatory and parents can opt out if they choose.


    i think 5 states are not going to show it at school, saying it is taking away from precious school time
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  • FiveB247x
    FiveB247x Posts: 2,330
    Not to sound silly, but the lyric from All or none - "there's not wrong or right, but good and bad" is so true and because of people's short attention spans, media control/propaganda and generic biases in society, we're just all paying the price and slipping down the slope to extinction. If you've ever seen the movie, Idiocracy, it's where we're headed. It's quite sad. Also, something very interesting to see, in the past when people envisioned the future, they imagined a society and world past the basic issues (war, famine, etc) because humans evolved or learned to overcome them, instead we've learned to live with them and our world is spiralling out of control as a result. I'm not a conspiracy theorist or believe in fortune telling, but Nostradamus pretty much forecasted a world based on modern upgrade with poor quality of human conditions and adaptation.

    By the way, and back on topic, should kids not learn or atleast understand it's important when the President of the nation wants to talk to them about education and staying in school? We seriously live in a very, very ignorant society, that deserves all the hardships and failures that comes its way.
    mca47 wrote:
    FiveB247x wrote:
    As I get older and learn and experience more, the more I realize how stupid our society is and even myself, who wants to help build a better nation/world for the future, it's just unrealistic because we have high standards and hopes, with so little follow through from all the participants necessary to make it happen. Quite sad.

    I've been feeling the same way the last couple of years.
    It all just seems so petty, and so childish. I am constantly amazed that for as intelligent of a species that we are labeled, how completely dumb people can be.
    Politics, religion...all childish.

    Look at all the shit that is going on in the world and it is pathetic! It's like children drawing a line in the middle of the sandbox. Only certain people can be on my side of the sandbox and we will fight for the best bucket and plastic shovel...and if people die in the process, so be it.

    I find myself getting caught up in politics, but in reality I wish I could just pick up and move to some island somewhere where I would never have to deal with politics or religion ever again.
    CONservative governMENt

    Our government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the government becomes a law-breaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. - Louis Brandeis
  • Cosmo
    Cosmo Posts: 12,225
    mca47 wrote:
    I've been feeling the same way the last couple of years.
    It all just seems so petty, and so childish. I am constantly amazed that for as intelligent of a species that we are labeled, how completely dumb people can be.
    Politics, religion...all childish.

    Look at all the shit that is going on in the world and it is pathetic! It's like children drawing a line in the middle of the sandbox. Only certain people can be on my side of the sandbox and we will fight for the best bucket and plastic shovel...and if people die in the process, so be it.

    I find myself getting caught up in politics, but in reality I wish I could just pick up and move to some island somewhere where I would never have to deal with politics or religion ever again.
    ...
    Here is my guess on why/how things have changed.
    Politics has been defined as a sports by cable 'News' stations that are really extensions of Talk Radio op-ed shows. We label ourselves to one of two teams... the Republican Conservatives or the Democratic Liberals. We have team colors.. Red vs. Blue... and even team mascots... Elephants or Donkeys.
    Americans don't understand politics.. but, we sure do understand sports. And the object of any sport (except soccer) is to defeat the opposition. We are real good at understanding that.
    This way... stupid people can participate in political debates... or, at least, believe they are participating in political debates... when, in fact, they are simply regurgitating ideals set forth by their political party and party spokesmen.
    And there is this never-ending political campaigning that is relentless in its pursuit to keep the game going and the teams seperated. I remember when there was an election... a couple of months of those horrid campaign commercials... the voting... the outcome... and that was it. we went back to being Americans, not Republicans and Democrats looking to gear up for the next game.
    ...
    And if my sports guess is correct... we should think of Republicans and Democrats at being the offense and defense on the SAME team... America. Right now... we are basically players on offense trying to beat the defensive players on our own team. What team has ever won a championship when half of the team was trying to make the other half lose?
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  • ledvedderman
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  • OffMeGoes
    OffMeGoes Posts: 483
    acoustic guy wrote:
    Please tell me you think this is a horrible thing.....to get children involved in Politics. Whichever side you are on, you cant tell me you agree with this?
    Obama want to address the children and he wants them to write a note to themselves asking how they can help him? Thats what Fascist rulers do to the children in their country!
    Please tell me we at least agree on this one people???

    Stop. He wants to say nothing more than Education is something we support and that you should forever pursue.

    Was Bush a Fascist when he was reading My Pet Goat to the school kids on 9/11? He had no agenda....

    Only people afraid of education would say something like the LEADER of THEIR COUNTRY should not say a generic and inspiring message to children in a school setting.

    This is just another symptom of the ignorance and fear that the right wing is so good at producing. Pure ignorance.......
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  • OffMeGoes
    OffMeGoes Posts: 483
    gmarvin wrote:
    I'm confused...is Obama a socialist or a fascist...people seem to label him one or the other even though the two are on opposite ends of the political spectrum.

    They do so because they are completely ignorant. They call him a Communist loving Nazi! And people that start threads saying I am outraged that Obama wants to address the importance of education are the catalyst to all of this.

    They dont even want to believe he was born here. You cant talk to stupid.
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  • OffMeGoes
    OffMeGoes Posts: 483
    cincybearcat wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Howabout we also stop taking our kids to church..


    Ummm...why exactly? And how is this similar?

    Well, its a great point. If you are so afraid of exposure to ideas since you believe it will corrupt them how can you argue that exposing them to a certain dogmatic belief system is any better. People of faith have no faith that children will remain married to the fetished discipline of not questioning...so they keep them under wraps. They brainwash them from an early age and it programs them to not question, and they freak out if they think someone might try to say anything contridictory to them. LIKE THIS TOPIC. It is child abuse to restrain a child like this. However, the parents question every single thing that someone outside of their cult of ignorance suggest,...LIKE TALKING TO KIDS ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF EDUCATION...A LIBERAL, THINKING, THOUGHTFUL, EXPLORATORY, SCIENCE BASED EXAMINATION OF THE WORLD................................ Terrifying to a religious mind. Lock Step United behind Fox News, Politics of Fear, Cult of Leadership. I would define fascism on here, the real definition, but everyone would think I was just describing Republican ideals....
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  • keeponrockin
    keeponrockin Posts: 7,446
    cincybearcat wrote:

    Umm..you are still missing the point. Parents are choosing to take their kids to church (or not take them), and choosing what church. So, it's a terrible argument in this thread.
    I wasn't arguing the choice, I think SOME churches are saying things far more dangerous than anything the president will say... Nobody gave a fuck when Bush wanted to talk.
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,898
    Vedderwt wrote:
    cincybearcat wrote:
    keeponrockin wrote:
    Howabout we also stop taking our kids to church..


    Ummm...why exactly? And how is this similar?

    Well, its a great point. If you are so afraid of exposure to ideas since you believe it will corrupt them how can you argue that exposing them to a certain dogmatic belief system is any better.

    I would define fascism on here, the real definition, but everyone would think I was just describing Republican ideals....

    First, no it isn't it is completely different. Hell, I don't see why the Obama speech is a big deal, but it cannot be compared at all to people taking their own kids to church. No matter your opinion on Obama or any religion.

    As for your last sentence, you're part of the problem with a comment like that.
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