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Ticketmaster, Van Halen and Scalpers scam fans

pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,685
edited September 2009 in The Porch
http://www.wmmr.com/music/news/Story.aspx?ID=1135648

when bands act like this it totally undermines what PJ tried to do back in the mid 90s. how is this not criminal?
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  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    yeah I totally agree. I have lost all respect for this band.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,484
    well, now they suck even more. i didn't know that was possible, but i guess it is!
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  • Bathgate66Bathgate66 Posts: 15,813
    The scam was said to be the brainchild of Van Halen manager Irving Azoff, who also now serves as Ticketmaster's CEO. Azoff is also behind the scheme to merge Ticketmaster with Live Nation, which is under review by the Justice Department. Critics and members of Congress have said that the proposed merger would create a monopoly over almost all aspects of the music business.

    emptying one pocket to fill the other,

    f'n douchebags
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  • AllNiteThingAllNiteThing Posts: 1,115
    Eddie's a genius.





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  • theboxerorthebagtheboxerorthebag Posts: 1,774
    this merger if it does happen will make ticket buying an even worse experience than it already is. Hopefully it will be denied.
    Bathgate66 wrote:
    The scam was said to be the brainchild of Van Halen manager Irving Azoff, who also now serves as Ticketmaster's CEO. Azoff is also behind the scheme to merge Ticketmaster with Live Nation, which is under review by the Justice Department. Critics and members of Congress have said that the proposed merger would create a monopoly over almost all aspects of the music business.

    emptying one pocket to fill the other,

    f'n douchebags
  • Snoopy Died For Our SinsSnoopy Died For Our Sins Posts: 2,608
    it's like Robin Hood, only with millionaire scumbags, taking turns fucking everyone over in sight to put another million in their offshore accounts.........classy!!!!!!

    i always, always hated VH, now I just have more ammo to scorch VH fans with at parties, thanks guys! :P

    Still not as good as when I tell people about Dave Matthews writing on the walls of his hotel room with his own shit though....... :oops:
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  • DeLukinDeLukin Posts: 2,757
    Unbelievable scum-ballery. Now that dude is the CEO of Ticketmaster??? Nice.
    I smile, but who am I kidding...
  • marcosmarcos Posts: 2,112
    I didn't go to Van Halen concerts simply because it felt like corporate scum were up to something like this. To hear that Van Halen had knowledge of these acts is extremely disturbing. The article mentions that ticketmaster pulled the same thing with Bruce and it seemed that Bruce took measures to address it. I purchased a ticket for Bruce's upcoming show at the Spectrum and was issued a paperless ticket which is probably the way most true artists will be going. I purchased tickets for NIN last week in New York and had paperless tickets. He is someone that cares about the fans as well. But he's sickened by the corporate scum that surrounds him and so he is retiring from touring. When you hear shit like this from Van Halen it almost makes you not want to go to concerts anymore.
  • Sleep.With.InnocenceSleep.With.Innocence Posts: 607
    Because Van Halen NEEDS more money.

    F'n pathetic.
  • Rollingstone123Rollingstone123 Posts: 222
    We scored tickets outside MSG for $13 and $20 and upgraded ourselves to a lower section right near stage where there was a half row of empty seats...so we had 4 seats for the price of $33. The show SUCKED. no question about it. If i paid face I woulda been PISSED. FU VH- you guys are so over. Enjoy your stolen money- didnt get jack from me and the wife.
  • jwillmojwillmo Posts: 471
    The real question is, why the hell did they go through all that trouble and chicanery, when they could have just made the scalped price the face value of the ticket, made the same amt of money, and not had to have a middle man and resort to what should be criminal activity. Not only was what the did awful, but pretty fucking stupid to boot. Are there really people out there who wouldn't pay jacked up prices to a box office but would to a scalper?
  • A satellite forever orbitingA satellite forever orbiting Posts: 1,888
    marcos wrote:
    I didn't go to Van Halen concerts simply because it felt like corporate scum were up to something like this. To hear that Van Halen had knowledge of these acts is extremely disturbing. The article mentions that ticketmaster pulled the same thing with Bruce and it seemed that Bruce took measures to address it. I purchased a ticket for Bruce's upcoming show at the Spectrum and was issued a paperless ticket which is probably the way most true artists will be going. I purchased tickets for NIN last week in New York and had paperless tickets. He is someone that cares about the fans as well. But he's sickened by the corporate scum that surrounds him and so he is retiring from touring. When you hear shit like this from Van Halen it almost makes you not want to go to concerts anymore.

    they didnt do the same thing to bruce. when tickets went so quickly for the new jersey shows (imagine that...the boss sell out tix quickly :roll: ), people got rerouted to ticketsnow, not stubhub. and bruce has juice in n.j. and got some politicians involved, but ultimately it accomplished nothing.
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  • jps176jps176 Posts: 50
    "At each of the 20 shows, the best seats were taken directly out of the Ticketmaster system and passed directly to private dealers and scalpers."

    That proves right there what a liar Azoff is. Anybody read that big article in Rolling Stone about Ticketbastard recently where they explicitly said that practice does NOT happen?

    What a scumbag.

    The New York Yorker had a good piece about the ticket racket recenlty, too... called "The Price of the Ticket."
  • Snoopy Died For Our SinsSnoopy Died For Our Sins Posts: 2,608
    jwillmo wrote:
    The real question is, why the hell did they go through all that trouble and chicanery, when they could have just made the scalped price the face value of the ticket, made the same amt of money, and not had to have a middle man and resort to what should be criminal activity. Not only was what the did awful, but pretty fucking stupid to boot. Are there really people out there who wouldn't pay jacked up prices to a box office but would to a scalper?


    Because you lose cred if you openly ask that much $$$$$$$$$$ for your tickets....I don't know how old you are, but several years ago now when the EAGLES reunited and asked $100 per ticket, their was quite an uproar...not a huge outcry, but a lot of us were thinking $100 a seat was quite a bit of cash......

    ..........and Alex needs another floor tom for his touring kit..........

    P.S. VH hasn't any cred anyways, but that's the jist of it
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  • jps176jps176 Posts: 50
    jwillmo wrote:
    The real question is, why the hell did they go through all that trouble and chicanery, when they could have just made the scalped price the face value of the ticket, made the same amt of money, and not had to have a middle man and resort to what should be criminal activity. Not only was what the did awful, but pretty fucking stupid to boot. Are there really people out there who wouldn't pay jacked up prices to a box office but would to a scalper?


    Because they figured the PR damage would be far less then what it would be if they we up front about it.
  • Snoopy Died For Our SinsSnoopy Died For Our Sins Posts: 2,608
    No offense, but if anyone on this board is honestly surprised that Rolling Stone would print a lie to protect the ticket/concert/ industry.............well, geez, ya shouldn't be...they are all eating off the same plate.....Pearl Jam (and very few others) are the exception in the industry, not the rule....... :oops:
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  • jwillmojwillmo Posts: 471
    jps176 wrote:
    jwillmo wrote:
    The real question is, why the hell did they go through all that trouble and chicanery, when they could have just made the scalped price the face value of the ticket, made the same amt of money, and not had to have a middle man and resort to what should be criminal activity. Not only was what the did awful, but pretty fucking stupid to boot. Are there really people out there who wouldn't pay jacked up prices to a box office but would to a scalper?


    Because they figured the PR damage would be far less then what it would be if they we up front about it.
    Well, unless someone in the media decides to do their job and be a journalist and outs your scheme. Then you look worse. :)
  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,886
    Ok...

    What am I missing.....

    The scalpers, with their computer technology, and $10,000 computer software, always find a way to get the best tickets, when they go onsale through ticketmaster.....right???

    The scalpers ALWAYS make a ton of money off the tickets they buy......right????

    Van Halen found a way to put some of this money in their own pocket......right???

    Im just looking at it as....If you cant beat them, join them
    Take me piece by piece.....
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  • Snoopy Died For Our SinsSnoopy Died For Our Sins Posts: 2,608
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    Ok...

    What am I missing.....

    The scalpers, with their computer technology, and $10,000 computer software, always find a way to get the best tickets, when they go onsale through ticketmaster.....right???

    The scalpers ALWAYS make a ton of money off the tickets they buy......right????

    Van Halen found a way to put some of this money in their own pocket......right???

    Im just looking at it as....If you cant beat them, join them


    UGH, and just when I thought there was finally a post where no one would possibly side with the wrongdoer...

    Ladies and Gents, ........meet SPEEDY :lol:
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  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,886
    Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    Ok...

    What am I missing.....

    The scalpers, with their computer technology, and $10,000 computer software, always find a way to get the best tickets, when they go onsale through ticketmaster.....right???

    The scalpers ALWAYS make a ton of money off the tickets they buy......right????

    Van Halen found a way to put some of this money in their own pocket......right???

    Im just looking at it as....If you cant beat them, join them


    UGH, and just when I thought there was finally a post where no one would possibly side with the wrongdoer...

    Ladies and Gents, ........meet SPEEDY :lol:
    hehehehehe.....

    The scalpers are going to make the big money......Thats just a fact...

    Van Halen found a way to put a percentage of that big money into their pockets.....

    I gotta give them credit.....

    But thats just me....
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  • jps176jps176 Posts: 50
    Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:
    No offense, but if anyone on this board is honestly surprised that Rolling Stone would print a lie to protect the ticket/concert/ industry.............well, geez, ya shouldn't be...they are all eating off the same plate.....Pearl Jam (and very few others) are the exception in the industry, not the rule....... :oops:


    They didn't. It was actually a criticism of how corrupt and scheming the ticket industry is. When I said "they" I meant the part of the article that was quoting ticketmaster sources, not Rolling Stone. They (Rolling Stone) did not defend the ticket industry in any way. But the Tickemaster claimed in the article, and havve repeated the same claim everywhere else... "Everyone has the same access to all tickets from the moment the go onsale." I always knew that was a lie... but never saw actual evidence. Until this Van Halen thing.
  • guacamolejoeguacamolejoe Posts: 2,396
    Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:
    No offense, but if anyone on this board is honestly surprised that Rolling Stone would print a lie to protect the ticket/concert/ industry.............well, geez, ya shouldn't be...they are all eating off the same plate.....Pearl Jam (and very few others) are the exception in the industry, not the rule....... :oops:
    So True, What Bullshit :evil: . This is one of the reasons we love PJ so much! F*ckn Ticketbastard, doesn't surprise me but makes me So Mad :twisted:. I think I may look for Dax :twisted:
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  • cfbd68cfbd68 Posts: 228
    guacamolejoe wrote:
    Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:
    No offense, but if anyone on this board is honestly surprised that Rolling Stone would print a lie to protect the ticket/concert/ industry.............well, geez, ya shouldn't be...they are all eating off the same plate.....Pearl Jam (and very few others) are the exception in the industry, not the rule....... :oops:
    So True, What Bullshit :evil: . This is one of the reasons we love PJ so much! F*ckn Ticketbastard, doesn't surprise me but makes me So Mad :twisted:. I think I may look for Dax :twisted:
    I'd like to take care of Dax & that ceo Azoff in a NY minute :twisted: ;). Now I'm getting madder :twisted: :twisted: , I might as well take care of Madoff too ;):lol::lol:
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    wow... evh and dlr are greedy douchebags... i'm shocked ;) :roll:
  • Monster RainMonster Rain Posts: 1,415
    I'm not surprised at all that Van Halen was in on this. Maybe I should be, but I'm not surprised by anything Eddie and Alex do anymore. It's been pretty obvious that they've been all about money and nothing else since they decided to fire Sammy the first time and reunite with Dave for the first Greatest Hits CD. Follow that up with firing Dave, hiring Gary Cherone, firing Gary Cherone, re-hiring Sammy for another Greatest Hits set and tour, re-firing Sammy and firing Mike so they can hire Dave and Eddie's kid and it becomes clear that the Van Halen brothers are either completely insane or are just looking to lock up the band for themselves so they can keep more of the money. I wouldn't be shocked at all if they released an album with just Ed, Alex, and Wolfgang an no lead singer (or Ed singing, which would be a trainwreck if you heard his first attempt on VH3).
  • 1STmammal2wearPants1STmammal2wearPants Worcester, MA Posts: 2,948
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    Ok...

    What am I missing.....

    The scalpers, with their computer technology, and $10,000 computer software, always find a way to get the best tickets, when they go onsale through ticketmaster.....right???

    The scalpers ALWAYS make a ton of money off the tickets they buy......right????

    Van Halen found a way to put some of this money in their own pocket......right???

    Im just looking at it as....If you cant beat them, join them


    UGH, and just when I thought there was finally a post where no one would possibly side with the wrongdoer...

    Ladies and Gents, ........meet SPEEDY :lol:
    hehehehehe.....

    The scalpers are going to make the big money......Thats just a fact...

    Van Halen found a way to put a percentage of that big money into their pockets.....

    I gotta give them credit.....

    But thats just me....

    give em credit all you want....but it's basically giving them credit for being a bunch of sleazy bastards. if you advocate it, that's yer deal i guess........
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  • jwillmojwillmo Posts: 471
    edited September 2009
    SPEEDY MCCREADY wrote:
    Ok...

    What am I missing.....

    The scalpers, with their computer technology, and $10,000 computer software, always find a way to get the best tickets, when they go onsale through ticketmaster.....right???

    The scalpers ALWAYS make a ton of money off the tickets they buy......right????

    Van Halen found a way to put some of this money in their own pocket......right???

    Im just looking at it as....If you cant beat them, join them
    Um, that would be a reasonable argument if they decided to do like Madonna or other artists who basically "auction" the best seats and charge huge amounts for good seats. At least they're up front about it. But VH was pretending like anyone had a chance to buy these but was giving them DIRECTLY TO THE SCALPERS. That's fucking fraud and you can't justify that.

    And I don't think anyone disagrees that this an "If you can't beat em, join em" scenario. It's just that reasonable people think this is horrible creed to live by.
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  • Dead Man WalkingDead Man Walking Toronto-ish Posts: 2,762
    prfctlefts wrote:
    yeah I totally agree. I have lost all respect for this band.
    You mean you had respect for them in the first place?
  • SPEEDY MCCREADYSPEEDY MCCREADY Posts: 25,886
    1STmammal2wearPants wrote:


    give em credit all you want....but it's basically giving them credit for being a bunch of sleazy bastards. if you advocate it, that's yer deal i guess........
    I have 40 pearl jam concert tickets hanging on the wall, from every show I have attended...

    They all have one thing in common.....

    The word TICKETMASTER is printed on each and every one of them....

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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 30,555
    I'm more shocked that they racked in $90 mill, but not from my pocket i have never been a fan just could never taken them seriously at all :lol: ..
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