This forum has gone to shit

Pepe Silvia

_outlaw wrote:

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

Where the fuck do you get the 1 million Iraqis have been killed?

http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNew ... 7920080130
as well as many other polls conducted by other top polling groups and universities, such as Johns Hopkins. The figure is only disputed by right wing bloggers who try to justify the casualties, and the war in general.

And another thing yeah the people from Afghanistan did not enroll in the army but, the Taliban/afghani government was given the chance to hand over OBL, and they did not.

so we kill the innocent people in Afghanistan because their government refused to hand over Osama Bin Laden without proof? now that George W Bush and Dick Cheney are war criminals and responsible for all these deaths, would you think it is justifiable for the Iraqis or Pakistanis or Afghanis to begin bombing cities here until the US government handed them over to be tried in their countries?

that's not even counting the ones who will suffer from the DU rounds we covered their country in, which we never cleaned up the ones from the 90's. kill a bunch now and poison more

slightofjeff

Is there really anything else to say about these wars? What do you want to talk about? I guess we could start over from the beginning.

I'll start: So, you guys think Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction? I'm dubious, but I trust Colin Powell. He seems to know his shit.

slightofjeff

_outlaw wrote:

so we kill the innocent people in Afghanistan because their government refused to hand over Osama Bin Laden without proof?

I was just joking, but I guess we really are going to be starting over from the beginning. So I'll play along.

We've basically got a signed confession from OBL. What more proof do you want? I fear this thread is dangerously close to wandering into the "conspiracy" territory the original poster was complaining about.

polaris_x

slightofjeff wrote:

Is there really anything else to say about these wars? What do you want to talk about? I guess we could start over from the beginning.

I'll start: So, you guys think Saddam Hussein has weapons of mass destruction? I'm dubious, but I trust Colin Powell. He seems to know his shit.

which is to my point that we just end up circling back to the same points ...

stickfig13

I find the war debate to be similar to the abortion debate and gay marriage debate.....

People don't like talking about any of the above because it's usually a circular conversation where people spew talking points from either side of the debate. There is no middle ground in any of the above conversations.

I hate to paint all these topics in black and white, but IMO these are conversations not worth having with anyone anymore.

Pepe Silvia

don't worry, Obama's gonna end the war reeeeeeaaaaaaaaal soon, right?

DriftingByTheStorm

Maybe this is why?
Message Board Moderator Exposed In Political Post Censorship Scandal

Also see:
Tenclub's Website: A CIA Mind Control Psy-Op?

and:
Is Kat Really Osama Bin Laden? Is Sea Actually al-Zawahiri?

fuck

slightofjeff wrote:

_outlaw wrote:

so we kill the innocent people in Afghanistan because their government refused to hand over Osama Bin Laden without proof?

I was just joking, but I guess we really are going to be starting over from the beginning. So I'll play along.

We've basically got a signed confession from OBL. What more proof do you want?

What are you talking about? What do you mean proof that I want? I didn't ask for any. I'm not even trying to argue whether or not Osama Bin Laden did it, I'm trying to talk about the innocent people in Afghanistan and Pakistan being massacred and no one in America giving a shit. All of these responses I've been getting only prove my point. Rather than address the occupation and the killing of innocent people, I've been getting responses about Osama Bin Laden committing 9/11...

I fear this thread is dangerously close to wandering into the "conspiracy" territory the original poster was complaining about.

Lol, the only ones who have been alluding to conspiracy theories are you guys, I haven't even been trying to bring them up, not to mention the fact that just because I'm questioning the illegal occupation and killing of innocent people you guys have been trying to make an assumption that I believe in such theories.

Gary Carter

my2hands wrote:

we are currently still engaged in 2 wars and there is not 1 thread on the front page about them... but at the same time there are 4-5 threads about bullshit conspiracies, free masons, jay-z, and symbols

what happened to this place?

I totally agree. I haven't been to the MT in years and I was a regular on here. Half of my 16,000+ posts that I have on here were made in here. Stupid uneven post count. The MT was crazy but in a good way. Now it's just a wasteland.

TriumphantAngel

polaris_x wrote:

1. there aren't as many members on this board as there was before ...

i'm sure there's others, but i wonder what ever happened to farfromglorified and mammasan. i enjoyed their posts and they are missed.

VINNY GOOMBA

M2H,

Why don't you start posting here more often so you can PUT A LITTLE FIXIN' ON IT?

Besides, what's left to say about the wars? They're terrible, and still happening. I wish they weren't, and meanwhile it's killing the economy even further. We could really kill two birds with one stone if we would pull all of our troops from all the bases we had around the world, and stop the overseas spending, and invest it here on this soil-- Not that I'm so much into spending tons of money here, but I'd rather it be spent on this soil rather than blowing up people overseas and only inciting further hatred and anger against us.

inmytree

Jeanwah wrote:

Why don't you start one instead of complaining about the absence of one?

x2...

this place is what we make it...

gimmesometruth27

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

M2H,

Why don't you start posting here more often so you can PUT A LITTLE FIXIN' ON IT?

Besides, what's left to say about the wars? They're terrible, and still happening. I wish they weren't, and meanwhile it's killing the economy even further. We could really kill two birds with one stone if we would pull all of our troops from all the bases we had around the world, and stop the overseas spending, and invest it here on this soil-- Not that I'm so much into spending tons of money here, but I'd rather it be spent on this soil rather than blowing up people overseas and only inciting further hatred and anger against us.

i completely agree here. i am so sick of talking about the same things we have been talking about the last 6 years here. sick of war, sick of abortion, sick of guns, sick of patriotism, or lack there of, sick of hannity and beck and oreilly, sick of olbermann and maddow, sick of bush and cheney and the entire crime family, sick of conspiracy theories and sick of global warming. i am sure there are lots that agree with me, but when you throw away all of those topics of discussion we are not left with a whole lot to discuss here.

g under p

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

VINNY GOOMBA wrote:

M2H,

Why don't you start posting here more often so you can PUT A LITTLE FIXIN' ON IT?

Besides, what's left to say about the wars? They're terrible, and still happening. I wish they weren't, and meanwhile it's killing the economy even further. We could really kill two birds with one stone if we would pull all of our troops from all the bases we had around the world, and stop the overseas spending, and invest it here on this soil-- Not that I'm so much into spending tons of money here, but I'd rather it be spent on this soil rather than blowing up people overseas and only inciting further hatred and anger against us.

i completely agree here. i am so sick of talking about the same things we have been talking about the last 6 years here. sick of war, sick of abortion, sick of guns, sick of patriotism, or lack there of, sick of hannity and beck and oreilly, sick of olbermann and maddow, sick of bush and cheney and the entire crime family, sick of conspiracy theories and sick of global warming. i am sure there are lots that agree with me, but when you throw away all of those topics of discussion we are not left with a whole lot to discuss here.

I've been away for awhile but I haven't seen any posts or threads on the kidnapper of the 11 now 29 year old woman in California. Considering some of us here have children and in my situation came across a stranger following my daughter who at the time was 6 years old. As soon as I came to my daughter he took off. Many times these kidnappings can happen in a blink of an eye. I think discussing and posting ways to avoid these situations to protect our children from these predators would be good for all of us to talk about.

I later checked my neighborhood for registered pedophiles and we had 6 in our city one less than a mile away.

Peace

JordyWordy

I used to post here on the MT a fair bit.....and I would consider myself a fairly objective poster, but i got tired arguing the same discussions, and going round in circles with right wingers.... i'll get back on the horse now though. I havent used MT since the new board opened, let's see if the same shite is still going on.

Claireack

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

I've been away for awhile but I haven't seen any posts or threads on the kidnapper of the 11 now 29 year old woman in California. Considering some of us here have children and in my situation came across a stranger following my daughter who at the time was 6 years old. As soon as I came to my daughter he took off. Many times these kidnappings can happen in a blink of an eye. I think discussing and posting ways to avoid these situations to protect our children from these predators would be good for all of us to talk about.

I know it scares me to bits - I've got a 12 year old boy (still at risk I would say). It seems to be becoming more in the press over the last few years, it makes me wonder how many children/adults are being kept in this situation that we don't know about.

norm

Genius, said de Gaulle, recalling Bismarck's decision to halt German forces short of Paris in 1870, sometimes consists of knowing when to stop. Genius is not required to recognize that in Afghanistan, when means now, before more American valor, such as Allen's, is squandered.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02912.html

gimmesometruth27

norm wrote:

Genius, said de Gaulle, recalling Bismarck's decision to halt German forces short of Paris in 1870, sometimes consists of knowing when to stop. Genius is not required to recognize that in Afghanistan, when means now, before more American valor, such as Allen's, is squandered.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 02912.html

thanks for posting norm, i never would have found this article had you not posted it....Genius does consist of knowing when to stop, but i am afraid that we have no idea how to stop and we have no idea how to get out of something we jumped into with both feet with an anvil tied to our chest for the sake of making a bigger splash.....

Interesting that George Will, whom if i may remember correctly, the journalist with perhaps the biggest hard on for war in afghanistan and iraq, is calling for us to withdraw from afghanistan...go figure...in my opinion it deserves its own thread when someone with will's status makes such a drastic change of opinion, but i am tired of wasting my breath talking about him as well... i have had no used for George Will for years now...is this as monumental as when Cronkite declared the viet nam war unwinnable? IMO no, but it is definitely a sign that things are not going well when a respected journalist like Will makes such a difinitive conclusion....i am sure we will not hear anything about this on the evening news and i am sure we all know how this is going to end up, more of the same screwed up war policy.

Random_Wookie

Hey Guys, I am newbie when it comes to this forum and an australian (if you want to hold that against me). But I tend to agree with you guys their are some shit posters on here who are creating some shit threads. But this site is what we make it!

As for arguing the same points over and over again, well you can not help that some people are so blind that they do not see the truth. Or are they that stupid they just can not comprehend what is happening arround them. That is where it is people like us who need to help inform the masses so they can get to the truth.

As for the current war in afganastaion i belive it had to be done for the hope of a better life for the people of that country. But on the flip side all the civilian deaths are sickening, but are they not worth it if the country can become a better place. As for osama being responsible for 9-11 i am not sure of that? Iraq I dont belive should have been invaded, as the collation have fucked that place up real good. Well that obeservation is from what i have heard and read. I am not a religous person but i do belive that if we can help some one out, then we should!

cincybearcat

Random_Wookie wrote:

As for arguing the same points over and over again, well you can not help that some people are so blind that they do not see the truth. Or are they that stupid they just can not comprehend what is happening arround them. That is where it is people like us who need to help inform the masses so they can get to the truth.

Ok, this made me laugh. Thanks. That's the spirit of the old AMT...the other guy/gal is always blind or stupid.