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New Pearl Jam...new AIC

mrshock13mrshock13 Posts: 472
edited August 2009 in The Porch
Having listened to the clips off all the songs from Backspacer, the pains of having to wait till sept. 20th (or whenever the pre-order arrives) is going to get very bad. That being said, the new Pearl Jam album combined with the first Alice in Chains album in 14 years, which also sound amazing, is probably going to be one of the hardest months to get through for music in a long, LONG time.
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  • tcaporaletcaporale Posts: 1,577
    Not only that, I'm waiting on the Beatles remasters too. Next month is going to be a great month for music.
  • chris32482chris32482 Posts: 213
    It bothers me that they're calling it Alice in Chains. If EV died, would Pearl Jam continue with a new lead singer?
  • TravelarTravelar Kalamazoo, USA Posts: 3,414
    chris32482 wrote:
    It bothers me that they're calling it Alice in Chains. If EV died, would Pearl Jam continue with a new lead singer?

    No kidding. With only half the members, it bothers me that The Who still call themselves The Who.
  • j-bugj-bug Posts: 272
    agh.

    REAL pointless old argument there...

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  • SolarWorldSolarWorld Posts: 1,902
    What's worse is AIC went and got someone who sounded like Layne. Imagine if PJ did that too. LAME
  • tcaporaletcaporale Posts: 1,577
    Have you guys heard any of the new material? I'm sure Cantrell wouldn't have done it if he didn't think he was staying true to AiC. He's not trying to replace Layne, he's just trying to do well in his honor.
  • j-bugj-bug Posts: 272
    William does NOT sound like Layne.are you listening to the tracks?
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  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    edited August 2009
    to me, Cantrell is AiC, not Layne. it doesnt really bother me, but i would have probably changed it just to stop the comparisons.
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  • j-bugj-bug Posts: 272
    no Cantrell is Cantrell.

    but this is another of those stupid pointless arguments that could go round and round.

    i'm kinda excited to hear it.have waited a long time.
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  • SB117186SB117186 Posts: 346
    j-bug wrote:

    i'm kinda excited to hear it.have waited a long time.

    Agreed! It has been a long time!
  • vedder_soupvedder_soup Posts: 5,861
    this argument happens every time the new AIC is mentioned
    it is pointless
    it was , and always was cantrells band, he can do what he wants.
    William does a great job, does not try to be layne, does not take the spotlight, and if anything, he shies away from it. I am sure you would be more pissed of if cantrell continued AIC, with a whole new band and called themsleves AIC (cough billy and the current pumpkins cough cough!! :lol: )
    cant wait to hear them both, and see them both in seattle in 4 weeks
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  • chris32482chris32482 Posts: 213
    Opening Band For The Sun wrote:
    to me, Cantrell is AiC, not Layne. it doesnt really bother me, but i would have probably changed it just to stop the comparisons.

    Listen, I think Cantrell is great. He's brilliant. I know he's always been the brains behind AIC. But Staley was the soul. Have you heard Cantrell's solo material? It's not AIC. The simple fact is that Jerry needs some $$$ and he knows that he will sell a lot more records/tickets by calling it Alice in Chains rather than "THe Jerry Cantrell Xperience" or whatever.

    The guys from Blind Melon did the same fucking thing. They had the right idea at first, they got a new singer and called themselves Unified Theory. But that tanked, so then they found another guy that sounds a little bit like Shannon and called it Blind Melon. Stupid.
  • todd1974todd1974 Posts: 69
    can you really blame the guy though? If he names it Jerry Cantrell, he probably sells a handful. If he calls it Alice in Chains, he sells probably fifty times as many. I know that's a purely capitalistic argument (and I'm actually surprised myself that I'm making it :o ), but how many of us wouldn't do the exact same thing if put in that position.
  • aNiMaLaNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    TrAvELAr wrote:
    chris32482 wrote:
    It bothers me that they're calling it Alice in Chains. If EV died, would Pearl Jam continue with a new lead singer?

    No kidding. With only half the members, it bothers me that The Who still call themselves The Who.
    I think The Who comparison is a little off. Pete and Rogers are not replacement's, they are the founding members. It is not as though they tour as The Who with a different person signing the songs.

    In the case of AIC, I agree; I don't like them being Alice in Chains. As far as I am concerned, when Layne died, so did Alice in Chains. And I really like Jerry Cantrell and company, i just wish they would come up with a different name for the band. Just like well in PJ's case, certainly if Ed died (God forbid), I don't think they would find a new lead singer and continue on as Pearl Jam. Of course, I also believe that if any of the four founding Pearl Jam members died (again, God forbid), I am quite certain that would be the end of Pearl Jam.
  • aNiMaLaNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    The only other thing i was going to mention on this topic is, I think AC/DC is the truly only successful band to have switched lead singers and not missed a beat. As much as I loved Bon Scott, Brian Johnson has done a terrific job in continuing onward and upward with AC/DC.
  • vedder_soupvedder_soup Posts: 5,861
    they have been playing together again as aic for 3 fucking years!!!!
    why is this still an argument!!!
    i don't see that many people around here complaining that axl rose still calls his band gun's and roses depite it only being him, same with billy corgan and the pumpkins, especially now that jimmy has left. what makes AIC a different case?? because it is the singer and not other band members???
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  • aNiMaLaNiMaL Posts: 7,117
    vedder_soup wrote:
    they have been playing together again as aic for 3 fucking years!!!!
    why is this still an argument!!!
    i don't see that many people around here complaining that axl rose still calls his band gun's and roses depite it only being him, same with billy corgan and the pumpkins, especially now that jimmy has left. what makes AIC a different case?? because it is the singer and not other band members???
    Oh jesus, don't get me started on how TERRIBLE it is that Axl still calls that band Guns-N-Roses. That also is an atrocity to rock-n-roll.

    The Axl Rose topic has been hashed out numerous times in the other music forum here. No one is happy about that either.

    Billy Corgin though, I dunno - he kind always has been The Pumpkins. Weird fucking dude right there.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSunLikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    works for AC/DC!
  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    I can't even tell you how often I've argued this topic in other forums. AIC is the band name. Get over it. If Jerry & Co want to call it that (especially with Layne's Mom's blessing-not that it's needed though) they can call it that.

    What IS a band name in the first place? It's a marketing tool, a brand. They'd be idiots to call it anything other than that. Everyone says they have lost integrity by keeping the name. I say they are keeping true to what they feel by keeping it.

    Music fans are getting all bent out of shape and possessive about something that is not theirs. It's Jerry & Co's band, not yours. He can call it what he likes. Same with Axl. Same with Billy. Same with AC/DC. Same with Van Halen. Need I go on?

    And to the fool who says that Jerry needs the money.....are you his accountant? I'm pretty sure he doesn't, but neither of us know that, so don't comment on it.

    And yes, Jerry's solo stuff may have well been called AIC, cause that's basically what it was.

    You know what? I went and saw Blind Melon a few weeks before that Shannon Hoon scab left the band, and they were tremendous live. TREMENDOUS. I don't give a shit if they called themselves Blind Melon or Anal Carrot. The show was awesome and that's what counts.
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  • S0nic reducerS0nic reducer Posts: 163
    WHo cares have you guys Herd check my Brain . That song kicks Ass
  • todd1974todd1974 Posts: 69
    "Shannon Hoon scab "

    ouch...that's a bit harsh.

    but I don't blame Cantrell.
    And Layne would have sounded pretty silly singing rooster on his own (with no instruments). He was part of a band called alice in chains and they move on without him as they probably would have done with the loss of any other member (except cantrell).

    reevaluate your priorities if this seriously occupies your mind for more than .15 of a second.
  • Back_PedalBack_Pedal Posts: 1,171
    SolarWorld wrote:
    What's worse is AIC went and got someone who sounded like Layne. Imagine if PJ did that too. LAME
    Scott Stapp + PJ...imagine it.
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  • Hugh Freaking DillonHugh Freaking Dillon Posts: 14,010
    todd1974 wrote:
    "Shannon Hoon scab "

    ouch...that's a bit harsh.quote]

    I guess that was a bit harsh. I only stated it like that because:
    a) he sounds EXACTLY like Shannon (live or studio)
    b) I couldn't remember his name

    Didn't mean it to be a slag to the guy (he was fabulous live to watch), although I guess it's now obvious that it couldn't really be taken any other way. ;)
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  • tenforthewintenforthewin Posts: 177
    Cantrell's solo album Degradation Trip is as good or better than anything AIC ever put out IMO. and I fucking love aic. you can't compare it to PJ because Ed writes most of the material in the band and is the only singer. Cantrell wrote pretty much all of the material ( including lyrics on many songs) plus he sang on most of the songs, even sang lead on some. and Duvall sounds nothing like Layne. That being said, I do think it's somewhat of a cash-in. It's their band though, they can do whatever they want with it. And when I hear the new songs I know instantly who it is.
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  • RightSaidVedRightSaidVed Posts: 70
    The AiC is just amazing!! I'm loving it. Layne's voice is what turned me on to "Seatle" music before any other band from there. He's been my favorite singer since, but I have to say after seeing AiC with William, and hearing this new material, this album is going to be amazing.. unfortunetely without Layne. But hey It still sounds like AiC. Even without knowing the song, the first listen through you'd know It's them, so why not call it AiC. Actually from what I've heard so far It sounds even better than the last AiC album.
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  • vedder_soupvedder_soup Posts: 5,861
    RightSaidVed wrote:
    The AiC is just amazing!! I'm loving it. Layne's voice is what turned me on to "Seatle" music before any other band from there. He's been my favorite singer since, but I have to say after seeing AiC with William, and hearing this new material, this album is going to be amazing.. unfortunetely without Layne. But hey It still sounds like AiC. Even without knowing the song, the first listen through you'd know It's them, so why not call it AiC. Actually from what I've heard so far It sounds even better than the last AiC album.

    :D:D:D

    i saw AIC in feb, and i cannot wait to see them again at the Moore
    William does a kick ass job
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  • TT8270TT8270 Posts: 429
    vedder_soup wrote:
    William does a great job, does not try to be layne,

    That may be true. But the thing that bugs me here is that Cantrell really wants to make him sound like Layne. William is just the average guy as a singer. I mean he can sing but has no personal charisma at all. Just listen to the so called harmonics in "Check my brain" comparing to harmonics Layne sings in "Damn That River", "Rotten Apple", "Brush Away" or almost any other AiC. The band just doesn't sound like AiC anymore. Layne was one of a kind.

    Still "Check my Brain" has a badass guitar riff.
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  • j-bugj-bug Posts: 272
    just to say Jerry did not write most of the songs.it was split pretty much evenly lyricly between Jerry and Layne.the music was mostly written by Jerry however,on Tripod the credits are again 50/50.
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  • mrshock13mrshock13 Posts: 472
    tcaporale wrote:
    Have you guys heard any of the new material? I'm sure Cantrell wouldn't have done it if he didn't think he was staying true to AiC. He's not trying to replace Layne, he's just trying to do well in his honor.

    Exactly. The new songs sound, musically, like AIC, which is great! And it seems as though William Duvall has finally settled into his role. He is no longer trying to copy Layne, and is instead singing in his own style, which sounds great. Cantrell really knew what he was doing, and I think it's a fitting tribute to a great musician long gone.
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    I have only heard one new AIC song on the radio. I don't even remember what it was called. I thought it was God-awful, frankly.
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