Death panel rumor lady on Jon Stewart

blondieblue227

Whattdathink?

Video of 8/17/09
http://www.thedailyshow.com/
watch pt1 and pt2

kcherub

Thanks for posting this. I'm not sure what side you are on in this issue, but I have to say that I lost any respect for McCaughey when I heard her ranting and raving on Fred Thompson's show about the "death panels". I wish I still had the link--it's classic. The whole uproar over page 425 (and above and below, although most people don't take the time to read the whole section) is what led me to read the entire bill. I had to wonder what sane person would really think that President Obama would champion a bill that (basically) killed the terminally ill? After reading the bill, I can't say whether or not I think this is THE thing we need, but I can say that I am seriously pissed off at all of the misleading rhetoric floating around out there. Here's the deal with this: as of now, physicians are NOT paid to discuss end-of-life issues with their Medicare patients. What the bill will do is to compensate physicians for this very important discussion with their patients. As a breast cancer survivor, and with many friends still battling the beast, this type of discussion is a hard one, but is much needed. There is nothing in the bill (if you read it and don't try to twist it) that says what McCaughey has been claiming. She didn't get as frantic with Jon Stewart as she has in other arenas, so I have to wonder if she realized how silly she sounded and didn't want to be shot down by Stewart?

Gern Blansten

yeah and the REALLY funny thing is that many of the GOP congressmen and women that are spouting off this "death panel" garbage actually SUPPORTED amending medicare to allow these discussions

freaking hypocrites!!!

blondieblue227

kcherub
you’re welcome. Cool icon pic BTW.

kcherub wrote:

After reading the bill, I can't say whether or not I think this is THE thing we need, but I can say that I am seriously pissed off at all of the misleading rhetoric floating around out there.

i feel the same way.

I just posted his video because ever since they started fighting about death panels, this is the only thing that made sense to me and want more people to see it.

Jon Stewart roxs for taking her on!

People hear want they want to, especially in politics.
But me, I’m just looking for some truth.

For those who know me on here, you know I care a lot about healthcare and have already read this, but I’ll post it again: http://www.ivykennedy.com/chat/sicko.htm

Gern Blansten wrote:

yeah and the REALLY funny thing is that many of the GOP congressmen and women that are spouting off this "death panel" garbage actually SUPPORTED amending medicare to allow these discussions

freaking hypocrites!!!

yeah i remember hearing that from somewhere before too.
It’s ridiculous.

Cosmo

I always say, "Find the source... and see for yourself.".
Here is the Section in question... HR 3200, Section 1233 - Advanced Care Planning
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c ... NR:e513253:
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No spin, just the true text.
Read it yourself and tell me where the Death Panels and euthanasia appears... because i can't find it.

Cosmo

kcherub wrote:

Thanks for posting this. I'm not sure what side you are on in this issue, but I have to say that I lost any respect for McCaughey when I heard her ranting and raving on Fred Thompson's show about the "death panels". I wish I still had the link--it's classic. The whole uproar over page 425 (and above and below, although most people don't take the time to read the whole section) is what led me to read the entire bill. I had to wonder what sane person would really think that President Obama would champion a bill that (basically) killed the terminally ill? After reading the bill, I can't say whether or not I think this is THE thing we need, but I can say that I am seriously pissed off at all of the misleading rhetoric floating around out there. Here's the deal with this: as of now, physicians are NOT paid to discuss end-of-life issues with their Medicare patients. What the bill will do is to compensate physicians for this very important discussion with their patients. As a breast cancer survivor, and with many friends still battling the beast, this type of discussion is a hard one, but is much needed. There is nothing in the bill (if you read it and don't try to twist it) that says what McCaughey has been claiming. She didn't get as frantic with Jon Stewart as she has in other arenas, so I have to wonder if she realized how silly she sounded and didn't want to be shot down by Stewart?

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This section (Section 1233 of HR3200) is in place to avoid situations such as poor Theresa Schaivo. Her decision on what she wanted was taken away from here and her feuding family created a media/religio-political fueled circus.
It allows preparation by the patient and his/her family members when the time comes. And it says nothing about what you want... do not resuscitate or resuscitate at all cost. The bottom line, it is your choice and the Government will pay for it if your normal Health Care insurer won't.
If poor Mrs. Schiavo had this living will in place, the parents and spouse would know exactly what her wishes were. Instead, it was lawyers and judges who decided for her.

norm

Cosmo wrote:

I always say, "Find the source... and see for yourself.".
Here is the Section in question... HR 3200, Section 1233 - Advanced Care Planning
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c ... NR:e513253:
...
No spin, just the true text.
Read it yourself and tell me where the Death Panels and euthanasia appears... because i can't find it.

when palin started the death panels bullshit, i looked that up and read it about 5 times and i have yet to read anywhere where it says anything is mandatory...but then palin audience isn't exactly the crowd that is concerned with facts

Cosmo

norm wrote:

Cosmo wrote:

I always say, "Find the source... and see for yourself.".
Here is the Section in question... HR 3200, Section 1233 - Advanced Care Planning
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c ... NR:e513253:
...
No spin, just the true text.
Read it yourself and tell me where the Death Panels and euthanasia appears... because i can't find it.

when palin started the death panels bullshit, i looked that up and read it about 5 times and i have yet to read anywhere where it says anything is mandatory...but then palin audience isn't exactly the crowd that is concerned with facts

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I know.. NOTHING about mandatory... nothing about penalties to doctors.
Like Jon Stewart's writers said... Sarah needs to take a little of her own, down home, small town advice and "How 'bout you quit jes makin' things up?"

OffHeGoes29

I thought the Daily Show was fake news?

Then why do people on here use it as a reference?

:roll:

blondieblue227

Cosmo wrote:

I always say, "Find the source... and see for yourself.".
Here is the Section in question... HR 3200, Section 1233 - Advanced Care Planning
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c ... NR:e513253:
...
No spin, just the true text.
Read it yourself and tell me where the Death Panels and euthanasia appears... because i can't find it.

thanks for posting that Cosmo.

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

I thought the Daily Show was fake news?

Then why do people on here use it as a reference?

:roll:

i know he does fake news but his guests are real.
did you even watch the video before you posted that?

ledvedderman

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

I thought the Daily Show was fake news?

Then why do people on here use it as a reference?

:roll:

I'd say he's just about as fake as anything you'll find on Fox, CNN, or MSNBC.

blondieblue227

That’s what I really wanted to reply with but I’d thought I’d be more tactful.

OffHeGoes29

Yeah you're right about it being all the same, its just that if I posted something from Fox news or etc. this board would be all over it. Its just a question of what agrees with the general view point of this board, as long as its uber liberal, then its fine.

Cosmo

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

I thought the Daily Show was fake news?

Then why do people on here use it as a reference?

:roll:

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Yes.. you are right... to a point.
The Daily Show is a parody that reveals the false journalism (that is enterainment for ratings) that makes up the overwhelmingly majority of what America gets as 'News'. That is why you have people that only watch Fox News believing that there were Weapons Of Mass Destruction found in Iraq and that Death Panels are going to be mandated in Health Care reform.
The Daily Show makes fun of at theater of the absurd that Americans are fed as newsworthy. The irony is, sometimes the Daily Show reveals more journalism that the newsrooms they are making fun of.
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As for their guests.... they aren't fake. John Bolton, William Kristol, Betsy McCaughey are real newsmakers. It's not TinaFey dressed up as Sarah Palin... they are real people, being asked the questions that should be asked. If you don't understand that... well, then you are the last person to roll your eyes at others because you are the one who is in the dark about real news.
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Go look at the link I posted... you will probably have to look up HR 3200 because there is a limit on the time you can view the documents without input... go directly to page 425 and READ.

blondieblue227

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

Yeah you're right about it being all the same, its just that if I posted something from Fox news or etc. this board would be all over it. Its just a question of what agrees with the general view point of this board, as long as its uber liberal, then its fine.

in my first post i simply asked for people’s opinions. If you have a different opinion than what's already been said about those videos please share it.
that's why i kinda miss the free for all Pit. made the moving train more interesting.

Cosmo wrote:

The Daily Show makes fun of at theater of the absurd that Americans are fed as newsworthy. The irony is, sometimes the Daily Show reveals more journalism that the newsrooms they are making fun of.

that's why i watch it. you summed it up perfectly.

OffHeGoes29

Using anything off the Daily Show as a reference is no better or worse then using anything off of the Factor....

I still don't see how people can say that they aren't politically influenced?

Cosmo

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

Using anything off the Daily Show as a reference is no better or worse then using anything off of the Factor....

I still don't see how people can say that they aren't politically influenced?

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The Factor would come into play if they brought on people like John Bolton, William Kristol or Betsy McCaughey and actually did their journalistic duty and questioned their statements instead of just agreeing with what they are saying and take what they say at face value and consider it the truth.
That's the difference.
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By the way... the Reference I provided is the actual text of the House Bill from Library of Congress website. That is not politically influenced... I hope you understand what that website actually is.

keeponrockin

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

Using anything off the Daily Show as a reference is no better or worse then using anything off of the Factor....

I still don't see how people can say that they aren't politically influenced?

I don't think any sane person could say the Daily Show isn't a left leaning show, I freely admit that.

Do people really think O'Reilly is 'fair and balanced'?

smithnic

I love when Jon takes people like her right to task. It's so great to watch!

blackredyellow

OffHeGoes29 wrote:

Using anything off the Daily Show as a reference is no better or worse then using anything off of the Factor....

I still don't see how people can say that they aren't politically influenced?

No one (at least on this thread) is using anything Jon Stewart is saying as a reference... If O'Reilly has a politician on and he asks them a question, and they answer, why wouldn't that be fair game to use in political discussions? Now using something from an O'Reilly's rant or one of Stewart's snarky comments or sketches as facts is different... But guests say what they say regardless of who is asking the questions.

blondieblue227

This is getting off track.
Yes every news source is basis.

Jon had this lady on, gave her the benefit of the doubt and she, without the help of anybody stuck her foot in her mouth. he simply asked her to find the death panel part in the bill, and she couldn't do it. pretty cut and dry to me. without basis.

did you hear? She resigned.
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/wor ... 36356.html


PS. I also posted this here to show how one misrepresented part of the bill can create a ruckus to the point of derailing healthcare reform. It makes me sad and angry.
GET THE FACTS PEOPLE, GET THE FACTS!

Pepe Silvia

blondieblue227 wrote:

Whattdathink?

Video of 8/17/09
http://www.thedailyshow.com/
watch pt1 and pt2

i guess some might prefer the Barney Frank approach and just scream at and make fun of her but while Jon does make jokes he is more respectful and calm towards her

first, i don't understand why she would be upset about them TALKING to the patient about what they would want. as someone else already pointed out this would've come in handy with people like Terri Schivao (sp)

where does she get that they will be penalized? because they get an incentive if they give this consulation? if a company gives an award for top sales or something is the other 99% being penalized?

i still don't understand where she is getting care for seniors would be cut back?

Cosmo

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

blondieblue227 wrote:

Whattdathink?

Video of 8/17/09
http://www.thedailyshow.com/
watch pt1 and pt2

i guess some might prefer the Barney Frank approach and just scream at and make fun of her but while Jon does make jokes he is more respectful and calm towards her

first, i don't understand why she would be upset about them TALKING to the patient about what they would want. as someone else already pointed out this would've come in handy with people like Terri Schivao (sp)

where does she get that they will be penalized? because they get an incentive if they give this consulation? if a company gives an award for top sales or something is the other 99% being penalized?

i still don't understand where she is getting care for seniors would be cut back?

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Exactly... you and Blondie have it right... she is a newsmaker and could not back up her claims with facts.
That is why I posted the link to the actual Bill that Congress will be voting on. Look at it yourself and see if you can find 'death Panels', mandatory consultations and penalties for doctors in the bill. You won't... because it is simply, not there.
That is the fact that the Daily Show so clearly points out.

When you get to the Library of Congress website:
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c ... NR:e513253
**Click on "Bill,Resolutions" on the top menu, then type in 'HR 3200' in the Search Box...
**Click on "1 . America's Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009 (Introduced in House)[H.R.3200.IH]"
**Scroll down to Section 1233 - "Advanced Care Planning Consultation" and click on it to the full text.
**Read... and please, let me know where these things are because I can't seem to find them.

blondieblue227

I mean that’s why I posted it on here. I thought it was great Jon stayed unbasis and tried to give Betsy the benefit of the doubt. I was impressed that even without the help of a basis stance Betsy fell on her face.

And I’m not surprised that even when the facts are in front on people’s faces, some will deny and use excuses not to believe the facts.

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

i still don't understand where she is getting care for seniors would be cut back?

Are they trying to guess where Obama/congress is going to pay for a new healthcare plan? And they’re guessing senior care would be cut?
Guessing and spewing it back to the public. But is it really true?

Cosmo

blondieblue227 wrote:

I mean that’s why I posted it on here. I thought it was great Jon stayed unbasis and tried to give Betsy the benefit of the doubt. I was impressed that even without the help of a basis stance Betsy fell on her face.

And I’m not surprised that even when the facts are in front on people’s faces, some will deny and use excuses not to believe the facts.

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The tragic irony of all of this is 'The Daily Show' often times adheres to journalistic practice more than the shows they parody.
The Bill O'Rielly Show would truely be a 'No Spin Zone' if it were acutally 'Fair and Balanced'. It isn't. There is no journalism is shouting down your opponents with your own opinions... he needs to back his points with facts. The Facts presented by O'Rielly are typically things he has read, but not verified, such as the 'Death Panels'. Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter and Glenn beck are cartoonish characitures of right-wing reactionaries that seek a career in books and broadcasting.
And even so-called mainstream newsrooms are a joke... Michael Jackson, Anna-Nicole Smith and the latest pretty young blonde murder victim are plastered over the real issues that face our nation... because Michael Jackson means ratings, House Resolution Bills do not.
I think it is sad commentary on what we have become... and it's our own fault. We'd much prefer a good five hour car chase than a C-SPAN debate on a Senate bill that will personally affect each and every one of us.

Prince Of Dorkness

I'll tell you.. Watching that interview was painful. She came across like some crazy cat lady insisting that the government was talking to her through the TV.

Jon Stewart gave her more than enough rope and she hung herself on camera.

Oh... not sure if it's been mentioned in this thread but she was fired the next day.
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