got my flu shot today. In order to not get it, you have to have a dr go before a board of people at the hospital and plead your case...at least that is what they said. If I did not get it I would have had to go on a decision making leave...that involves either not coming back, or getting the shot...
I do not agree with it...but, I guess that the world is full of injustices...I just hope that the shot does not F with my broken immune system.
If I knew where it was I would take you there. There's much more than this
What a campaign of fear and guilt! In my opinion.
Is it that bad getting the flu? It's inconvenient, but rarely fatal. Even with this one. Yes, the flu can kill, but this one was actually way less fatal then what they thought so far. And I think that washing hands with soap and taking any obvious precautions is the best way to prevent contaminating others. But don't rely on those antiseptic gels, they can help, but after a certain point, they're not effective.
If I was forced to be vaccinated even if I don't want to, I wouldn't lose my job for this. It might not be honest, ( I don't think forcing people receiving a vaccin is fair either), but I would go get vaccinated and immediately put a greensand cataplasm on the vaccinated spot. It would absorb most of it.
I'm an osteopath and work a lot with visceral manipulations. It's obvious to me that vaccins are terrible for the liver and the immune system. Some are worst than other - like the one for hepatitis.
If you think it's best to vaccin your children, just don't do all of them at the same time. Wait at least three weeks between each of them. Four of five vaccins at the same time is way too much for the body. And if it goes with your beliefs, you can consult a good homeopath and an osteopath who does visceral manipulations to help the body dealing with those vaccins.
I'm not arguing on anything here but just giving my opinion on the subject.
got my flu shot today. In order to not get it, you have to have a dr go before a board of people at the hospital and plead your case...at least that is what they said. If I did not get it I would have had to go on a decision making leave...that involves either not coming back, or getting the shot...
I do not agree with it...but, I guess that the world is full of injustices...I just hope that the shot does not F with my broken immune system.
My mom is a teacher and is required to get one so she does...
I don't get them because I'd like to think i'm building up my immunity system, though I'm not very educated on the issue.
I think if your job is in public health then I wouldn't contest the issue too much... Just as you're required to get a criminal record check for jobs in child education etc. it serves the purpose and the needs of your job, I wouldn't say they are outlandishly stomping on your freedoms...
People get all kinds of "forced" vaccinations for all kinds of reasons, including being able to attend school or hold a particular job, such as a job in the military. I had to show I was up to date on my vaccinations to work with kids as a condition of my employment. Military people have been getting the H1N1 for a few weeks now, and there is nothing out of the ordinary to report about it. Medical "guinea pigs"--people--have been getting the vaccine since August. There has been nothing out of the ordinary to report. Personally, I think it is only smart to get the H1N1 vaccination if you work with the general public, but especially if you are a health professional. You are a potential "vector" who stands to potentially hurt the weakest and sickest people among us. Be professional. Be a champ. Get the vaccine. I plan to get the vaccine myself as soon as it is available to me--I have no desire to get the flu or to spread it to young children who disproportionately die from it.
Flu Vaccine Requirement for Health Workers Is Lifted
By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS and SEWELL CHAN
Published: October 22, 2009
The Paterson administration backed away on Thursday evening from a health regulation that would have compelled hundreds of thousands of health care workers and hospital volunteers to be vaccinated for seasonal and swine flu.
Claudia Hutton, a spokeswoman for the State Health Department, said in an interview Thursday night that the regulation had been suspended because of a shortage of H1N1 vaccine. She said that the state wanted to concentrate its vaccination efforts on pregnant women and children.
“Since the vaccine is so scarce right now and since the virus has proved especially difficult for pregnant women and young people — there have been deaths — we felt that the best use of the scarce amount of vaccine right now is for those populations,” Ms. Hutton said.
In August, the state health commissioner, Dr. Richard F. Daines, issued an order for health care workers to be vaccinated by Nov. 30, and hospitals warned that those who refused could be disciplined or fired.
But last week, a judge in Albany halted enforcement of the rule in response to a lawsuit filed by three nurses who claimed that the requirement needed legislative approval and that the commissioner had overstepped his authority.
Ms. Hutton said that Dr. Daines’s change of policy — which was announced late Thursday in a statement from the office of Gov. David A. Paterson — was not influenced by the litigation.
New York found itself isolated in its insistence on mandatory vaccinations. No other state adopted a similar regulation, and neither the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention nor the World Health Organization were recommending mandatory H1N1 vaccinations.
Some public health experts had applauded the rule. But referring to mandatory vaccination, Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, director of the federal centers, said last summer that “this is just not the right flu season to take this on,” because of the logistical difficulties of distributing both seasonal and swine flu vaccines.
Those logistical concerns turned out to be warranted. The governor pointed to a statement by the centers that said that only about 23 percent of the anticipated vaccine supply would be available by month’s end.
So far this week, the federal agency has allowed the state to order 146,300 doses of vaccine, while physicians have asked for more than 1.48 million doses, Ms. Hutton said.
“They don’t expect things to get markedly better until well into November, perhaps December,” Ms. Hutton said. “Even while the mandate was in effect, we were telling our hospital workers that if you have a choice of vaccinating patients or workers, please vaccinate patients.”
Terence L. Kindlon, a lawyer for the three nurses, said on Thursday evening, “This is a good result, because the decision whether or not to be vaccinated is one that should be made by the individual.”
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I do not agree with it...but, I guess that the world is full of injustices...I just hope that the shot does not F with my broken immune system.
If I knew where it was I would take you there. There's much more than this
Is it that bad getting the flu? It's inconvenient, but rarely fatal. Even with this one. Yes, the flu can kill, but this one was actually way less fatal then what they thought so far. And I think that washing hands with soap and taking any obvious precautions is the best way to prevent contaminating others. But don't rely on those antiseptic gels, they can help, but after a certain point, they're not effective.
If I was forced to be vaccinated even if I don't want to, I wouldn't lose my job for this. It might not be honest, ( I don't think forcing people receiving a vaccin is fair either), but I would go get vaccinated and immediately put a greensand cataplasm on the vaccinated spot. It would absorb most of it.
I'm an osteopath and work a lot with visceral manipulations. It's obvious to me that vaccins are terrible for the liver and the immune system. Some are worst than other - like the one for hepatitis.
If you think it's best to vaccin your children, just don't do all of them at the same time. Wait at least three weeks between each of them. Four of five vaccins at the same time is way too much for the body. And if it goes with your beliefs, you can consult a good homeopath and an osteopath who does visceral manipulations to help the body dealing with those vaccins.
I'm not arguing on anything here but just giving my opinion on the subject.
Thanks for the upate! Hope all goes well.
I don't get them because I'd like to think i'm building up my immunity system, though I'm not very educated on the issue.
I think if your job is in public health then I wouldn't contest the issue too much... Just as you're required to get a criminal record check for jobs in child education etc. it serves the purpose and the needs of your job, I wouldn't say they are outlandishly stomping on your freedoms...
Flu Vaccine Requirement for Health Workers Is Lifted
By ANEMONA HARTOCOLLIS and SEWELL CHAN
Published: October 22, 2009
The Paterson administration backed away on Thursday evening from a health regulation that would have compelled hundreds of thousands of health care workers and hospital volunteers to be vaccinated for seasonal and swine flu.
Claudia Hutton, a spokeswoman for the State Health Department, said in an interview Thursday night that the regulation had been suspended because of a shortage of H1N1 vaccine. She said that the state wanted to concentrate its vaccination efforts on pregnant women and children.
“Since the vaccine is so scarce right now and since the virus has proved especially difficult for pregnant women and young people — there have been deaths — we felt that the best use of the scarce amount of vaccine right now is for those populations,” Ms. Hutton said.
In August, the state health commissioner, Dr. Richard F. Daines, issued an order for health care workers to be vaccinated by Nov. 30, and hospitals warned that those who refused could be disciplined or fired.
But last week, a judge in Albany halted enforcement of the rule in response to a lawsuit filed by three nurses who claimed that the requirement needed legislative approval and that the commissioner had overstepped his authority.
Ms. Hutton said that Dr. Daines’s change of policy — which was announced late Thursday in a statement from the office of Gov. David A. Paterson — was not influenced by the litigation.
New York found itself isolated in its insistence on mandatory vaccinations. No other state adopted a similar regulation, and neither the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention nor the World Health Organization were recommending mandatory H1N1 vaccinations.
Some public health experts had applauded the rule. But referring to mandatory vaccination, Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, director of the federal centers, said last summer that “this is just not the right flu season to take this on,” because of the logistical difficulties of distributing both seasonal and swine flu vaccines.
Those logistical concerns turned out to be warranted. The governor pointed to a statement by the centers that said that only about 23 percent of the anticipated vaccine supply would be available by month’s end.
So far this week, the federal agency has allowed the state to order 146,300 doses of vaccine, while physicians have asked for more than 1.48 million doses, Ms. Hutton said.
“They don’t expect things to get markedly better until well into November, perhaps December,” Ms. Hutton said. “Even while the mandate was in effect, we were telling our hospital workers that if you have a choice of vaccinating patients or workers, please vaccinate patients.”
Terence L. Kindlon, a lawyer for the three nurses, said on Thursday evening, “This is a good result, because the decision whether or not to be vaccinated is one that should be made by the individual.”
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