Forced Vaccination

Corey Lynn

So, I am a RN at a big hospital. They recently announced that they are requiring that we receive a flu vaccine this year. I am not sure how I feel about this. What do you guys think?

mydogmookieblaylock

don't be a girl

Corey Lynn

I am a girl : )

mydogmookieblaylock

oh - ....is it free? Cus anything free is cool

DriftingByTheStorm

Corey Lynn wrote:

So, I am a RN at a big hospital. They recently announced that they are requiring that we receive a flu vaccine this year. I am not sure how I feel about this. What do you guys think?

If you question your forced vaccination you must be a "lefty".

Also, i'm sure someone is just about to tell you it is NOT "forced" because you are free to quit your job.

Amerika FUCK yeah!

Keep on rocking in the not-so-free world.
rolling my eyes at the mass stupidity that abounds.
-DBTS-

arthurdent

DriftingByTheStorm wrote:

If you question your forced vaccination you must be a "lefty".

I'm left-handed and I take great offense with that comment :arrow:

arthurdent

Corey Lynn wrote:

So, I am a RN at a big hospital. They recently announced that they are requiring that we receive a flu vaccine this year. I am not sure how I feel about this. What do you guys think?

You work in a large, enclosed building filled with imunocompromised people. Yeah, I think you should be required to get vaccinated. Better that than people dying because you were too wussy to get shot.

Sludge Factory

arthurdent wrote:

Corey Lynn wrote:

So, I am a RN at a big hospital. They recently announced that they are requiring that we receive a flu vaccine this year. I am not sure how I feel about this. What do you guys think?

You work in a large, enclosed building filled with imunocompromised people. Yeah, I think you should be required to get vaccinated. Better that than people dying because you were too wussy to get shot.

That's assuming that the flu vaccine is even effective for Corey Lynn. Some people react differently to the flu vaccine. Some it helps, and some get sick from actually getting the shot.

pearljgirl2010

Corey Lynn wrote:

So, I am a RN at a big hospital. They recently announced that they are requiring that we receive a flu vaccine this year. I am not sure how I feel about this. What do you guys think?

i think requiring vaccinations is complete and utter BS....especially in babies (I'm not gonna get started on this though...!!)

Corey Lynn

Yeah. I am not sure how I feel about this. It doesn't bother me as much as some. I have a immune disease, but apparently it is suppose to be ok for me to have the shot as long as it isn't a live vaccine. But, I guess I hate to be forced to do things to my body..I realize I have the option of quitting my job, but it is definitely not worth such drastic measures. I get at least 4 IV's a month right now and even more if I need steroids. The shot really doesn't bother me.I am a human cesspool of drugs anyway...so whats one more. I just thought it would be an interesting discussion.

Corey Lynn

and yes... I am a lefty

Jeanwah

I heard they're going to make it mandatory for school children to get the swine flu vaccine. I swear I'll pull my kid out of public school in the blink of an eye the minute they make vaccines mandatory for something that's not even a big epidemic any longer!

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Corey Lynn wrote:

So, I am a RN at a big hospital. They recently announced that they are requiring that we receive a flu vaccine this year. I am not sure how I feel about this. What do you guys think?

Is it REALLY required? I mean, there's required and then there's required, ya know? Is there an opt-out provision? What will really happen if you decline the vaccine?

Corey Lynn

I asked my boss, and he said that if you have a medical problem preventing you from getting it, then you don't have to. But, I think you have to prove it to them. I asked "well, what if it is a religious belief,or something?" (I don't even know if such a belief exists). And he just blew me off. I am always one to question authority though....usually doesn't work in my favor.

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Corey Lynn wrote:

I asked my boss, and he said that if you have a medical problem preventing you from getting it, then you don't have to. But, I think you have to prove it to them. I asked "well, what if it is a religious belief,or something?" (I don't even know if such a belief exists). And he just blew me off. I am always one to question authority though....usually doesn't work in my favor.

Yeah, people like to use the word "required" a lot and then expect everyone to just fall in line so they don't have to further address the issue. I'd like to know what would really happen if push came to shove though. Your boss probably doesn't know either.

That being said, and while I certainly understand the personal freedom side of things, I do think it's a good idea for all healthcare providers to be vaccinated... maybe even to the point of a mandate. Tough call. Keep us posted on what you decide to do.

Cosmo

Jeanwah wrote:

I heard they're going to make it mandatory for school children to get the swine flu vaccine. I swear I'll pull my kid out of public school in the blink of an eye the minute they make vaccines mandatory for something that's not even a big epidemic any longer!

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Let me pose this question... just for arguement's sake... so, nothing to take personally...
Wouldn't that mean you would have to keep your un-vaccinated child under quarantine? I mean, what if he/she does become infected and passes it one to a child that is too young to get vaccinated... or some old person who hasn't been vaccinated yet? Shouldn't YOU be held responsible if those people died because of your action to not immunize your child?
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I am not a fan of anything mandatory... but, we did pretty much wipe out polio, small pox, whooping cough and other life threatening diseases with mandatory vaccinations.
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Me? Personally? I am going to get vaccinated because I turn into a real pathetic wimp when i get sick and i don't like getting sick.

DriftingByTheStorm

Cosmo wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

I heard they're going to make it mandatory for school children to get the swine flu vaccine. I swear I'll pull my kid out of public school in the blink of an eye the minute they make vaccines mandatory for something that's not even a big epidemic any longer!

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Let me pose this question... just for arguement's sake... so, nothing to take personally...
Wouldn't that mean you would have to keep your un-vaccinated child under quarantine? I mean, what if he/she does become infected and passes it one to a child that is too young to get vaccinated... or some old person who hasn't been vaccinated yet? Shouldn't YOU be held responsible if those people died because of your action to not immunize your child?
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I am not a fan of anything mandatory... but, we did pretty much wipe out polio, small pox, whooping cough and other life threatening diseases with mandatory vaccinations.
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Me? Personally? I am going to get vaccinated because I turn into a real pathetic wimp when i get sick and i don't like getting sick.

Want to build up and maintain a healthy, well functioning immune system by overcoming exposure naturally?
You're a criminal, and can be convicted of manslaughter.

Nice.

The bigger point here is that forced immunizations for public servants, health workers, and armed forces only serve as "logical" neural linguistic jumping points for steering the mass consciousness towards more general acceptance of such practices, and paves the way for all kinds of unpleasant possibilities.

Here is a good article page i like on Common rights vs. collective rights, which i think is generally applicable here. Oddly enough, i'm forced to agree with Ayn Rand on this one -- your individual right to life is your only superseding right from which every other ancillary right is sprung.

Following this, you have the right to get a vaccine. You have the right to stay away from public places if you are afraid of transmission even with your vaccine (that you would like to force upon everyone), and you have the right to fund humanitarian outreach to provide subsidized vaccination and education outreach for those too poor to pay for their own vaccine or ignorant to understand the value.

You do NOT have the right to compel someone else to take a vaccine, thus violating their OWN individual right to judge for their own safety and well being on their own. What if i have a previously known history of bad reactions to vaccines, or am concerned about the commonly accepted best practice or with the specific vaccine being offered (or forced)?

You do NOT have the right to relocate someone by forced quarantine, thus utterly and supremely violating that persons own individual rights.

Imagine a United States where the government claims ALL known political dissidents to be infected, and these poor souls are shipped off to the work camps or worse, under the guise of the perceived (poorly argued, inherently unfair, and not traditionally recognized by western legal tradition) collective right against infection from a neighbor. Who would stand up for these poor "infected" souls in your world? No one. They would all just be glad to be rid of the safety hazard of another human being, a jerk who didn't follow the rules. Get your injection or go to jail.

I don't know.
I don't like it.
Not one bit.

TravisTheSky

Corey Lynn wrote:

I am a human cesspool of drugs anyway...so whats one more. I just thought it would be an interesting discussion.

Don't give up, Corey Lynn! Here's a good quote from Saying No to Vaccines by Dr. Sherri J. Tenpenny, M.D: "Ask the person who insists that you submit to a flu shot to take personal and/or corporate responsibility in the event that you sustain a serious reaction from a vaccine you were forced to take against your will."

She also suggests, "Find like-minded, educated co-workers to support your decision." But I don't imagine they would be easy to find...

The book says that 36% of health-care workers took the influenza vaccine in 2003. Gosh, even the general pop is more vaccinated than that nowadays. So the fear-mongering to vaccinate almost everyone is a new bandwagon. (Also in 2003, 78% of small tots under 2 had NEVER gotten a flu shot. What is the big scary risk all of a sudden? Fear itself?) Only 12 states have specific laws allowing health care workers to refuse shots on the grounds of Philosophical Objection, Medical Reason, Religious Objection, Proof of immunity, or simple refusal. Only 5 states allow refusal for hospital employees. Your state is not listed under your avatar, but you should look this up. On the plus side, I can't find any states with laws mandating vaccination. It seems that employees don't legally need to submit, BUT they don't have the right to refuse. There's the law for ya! Workers have taken employers to court over their right to refuse. And won!

You have an immune disease and take drugs for it. My immune system is a mess of allergies to many common foods. I've not gotten a vaccine in 19 years. I eat vegetarian, mostly organic food. I don't drink, smoke, or take OTC or prescription drugs. The majority of Americans are ill: Welcome to Pharmageddon.

arthurdent

Jeanwah wrote:

I heard they're going to make it mandatory for school children to get the swine flu vaccine. I swear I'll pull my kid out of public school in the blink of an eye the minute they make vaccines mandatory for something that's not even a big epidemic any longer!

My mother used to work as a school librarian. She'd had breathing trouble for several years, but she was doing OK. Then she picked up a bug from one of her students. After spending 3 weeks in the hospital, she is now on disability and is tied to an oxygen cylinder 24/7.

So, yes, your kid is getting vaccinated.

TriumphantAngel

Corey Lynn wrote:

So, I am a RN at a big hospital. They recently announced that they are requiring that we receive a flu vaccine this year. I am not sure how I feel about this. What do you guys think?

It doesn't bother me, i have no issues with having one. As a critical care paramedic, I see that i have a moral obligation to my patients to be as healthy as possible while i am taking care of them. Don't forget that Influenza can be transmitted while asymptomatic, so in effect i could be spreading the infection to my patients and other staff, before i even have any clue that i am ill. They are already sick enough without me adding to their complications.

arthurdent

TriumphantAngel wrote:

It doesn't bother me, i have no issues with having one. As a critical care paramedic, I see that i have a moral obligation to my patients to be as healthy as possible while i am taking care of them. Don't forget that Influenza can be transmitted while asymptomatic, so in effect i could be spreading the infection to my patients and other staff, before i even have any clue that i am ill. They are already sick enough without me adding to their complications.

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