for those critical of Obama's town hall mettings...
Pepe Silvia
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i've heard people here and in the real world complain about Obama taking away our 1st amendment rights because the people paid by pharmaceutical companies to disrupt the meetings were removed...i found this artical interesting seeing as NO ONE was detained, removed or arrested (someone was at another event for not having a permit to carry a concealed weapon). i recall under the past administration just wearing an anti-Bush shirt to an event would classify you as a security threat and you'd be removed and told to protest far out of sight from the event in a free speech zone and to even be allowed in you needed to sign a loyalty oath!
don't get me wrong, there's plenty of be critical of Obama over but 'taking away our 1st amendment right' doesn't seem to be 1 of them. can you imagine what would've happened if this happened during Bush's presidency??
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi ... -event.php
Twelve Carry Guns -- Including Assault Rifle -- Outside Obama Event
By Rachel Slajda - August 17, 2009, 5:54PM
About 12 people were carrying guns, including at least one semi-automatic assault rifle, outside a building where President Obama was speaking today.
No one was arrested outside the VFW National Convention in Phoenix, according to the Associated Press, where hundreds of people demonstrated both for and against health care reform. There are no reports that the 12 were part of an organized group.
The man spotted carrying the assault rifle and a pistol, who gave his name only as "Chris", was asked why he was armed. "Because I can do it," he said. "In Arizona, I still have some freedoms." You can watch the video from ArizonaCentral.com (go to about 1:30). He's being interviewed by a man who's also wearing a handgun.
Two police officers kept close by. Carrying guns, including the AR-15 assault rifle, is legal under Arizona law.
"If we need to intervene, we will intervene at that time," said Detective J. Oliver.
CNN's Ed Henry reported seeing a second man with an assault rifle, but that has not been confirmed.
These reports come less than a week after two people brought guns to a presidential event in Portsmouth, N.H. At Obama's town hall there, one man was arrested for having a gun hidden in his car after the Secret Service found him at Portsmouth High School hours before Obama arrived carrying a pocketknife. He didn't have a license for a concealed weapon.
Another man in Portsmouth was spotted carrying a gun in a leg holster outside the school. The unconcealed weapon was legal under New Hampshire law and he was not arrested. Later, when asked why he brought the gun, he replied, "That's not even a relevant question. The question is, why don't people bear arms these days?"
And that's not all. A man brought a gun to a town hall with Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN) last week, without incident. At an event with Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), someone dropped a gun, but he had a permit and no police report was taken. And two weeks ago, a New Mexico man tweeted that reform opponents should bring guns to town halls and "badly hurt" SEIU reps.
don't get me wrong, there's plenty of be critical of Obama over but 'taking away our 1st amendment right' doesn't seem to be 1 of them. can you imagine what would've happened if this happened during Bush's presidency??
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi ... -event.php
Twelve Carry Guns -- Including Assault Rifle -- Outside Obama Event
By Rachel Slajda - August 17, 2009, 5:54PM
About 12 people were carrying guns, including at least one semi-automatic assault rifle, outside a building where President Obama was speaking today.
No one was arrested outside the VFW National Convention in Phoenix, according to the Associated Press, where hundreds of people demonstrated both for and against health care reform. There are no reports that the 12 were part of an organized group.
The man spotted carrying the assault rifle and a pistol, who gave his name only as "Chris", was asked why he was armed. "Because I can do it," he said. "In Arizona, I still have some freedoms." You can watch the video from ArizonaCentral.com (go to about 1:30). He's being interviewed by a man who's also wearing a handgun.
Two police officers kept close by. Carrying guns, including the AR-15 assault rifle, is legal under Arizona law.
"If we need to intervene, we will intervene at that time," said Detective J. Oliver.
CNN's Ed Henry reported seeing a second man with an assault rifle, but that has not been confirmed.
These reports come less than a week after two people brought guns to a presidential event in Portsmouth, N.H. At Obama's town hall there, one man was arrested for having a gun hidden in his car after the Secret Service found him at Portsmouth High School hours before Obama arrived carrying a pocketknife. He didn't have a license for a concealed weapon.
Another man in Portsmouth was spotted carrying a gun in a leg holster outside the school. The unconcealed weapon was legal under New Hampshire law and he was not arrested. Later, when asked why he brought the gun, he replied, "That's not even a relevant question. The question is, why don't people bear arms these days?"
And that's not all. A man brought a gun to a town hall with Rep. Steve Cohen (D-TN) last week, without incident. At an event with Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), someone dropped a gun, but he had a permit and no police report was taken. And two weeks ago, a New Mexico man tweeted that reform opponents should bring guns to town halls and "badly hurt" SEIU reps.
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what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
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folks like this really need to experience a full cavity search and "enhanced" interrogation techniques at the hands of the Secret Service. Just because you aren't currently pointing a gun at the president doesn't mean you shouldn't be considered a threat.
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They're just hoping they get some attention from the feds so they can say that their second ammendment rights are being trampled on.
What? I thought this was America? You mean I can't bring a gun somewhere where the President is? I thought this was America?
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did you see the chris matthews interview with the guy from New Hampshire? he said asking him why he brought a gun (holding a sign that said "it's time to water the tree of liberty" or something close) to the event wasn't even a relavent question!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYUmCj4yud4
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I still think that a full psych exam should be part of the required background check for purchasing firearms. I also believe that the results of that exam should be shared with law enforcement if any problems pop up.
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either way i think that it is a complete risk to allow these people to bring guns to these protests and meetings. someone one of these days is going to get a cap busted in their ass. IMO its a way to try to intimidate the peaceful protesters or supporters of obama's plan.
for the sake of discussion i have 2 questions.
1. when was any protester ever allowed anywhere near bush or clinton when they were carrying guns? seriously, i think we are setting a dangerous precedent here.
2. also, why on earth does anyone think it would be a good idea or be necessary to bring a FUCKING gun to a town hall meeting? like someone was really going to step to them in a meeting or something....
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
What does Health Care reform have to do with the Second Amendment?
Hail, Hail!!!
from the original article:
"At an event with Rep. Gabrielle Giffords (D-AZ), someone dropped a gun, but he had a permit and no police report was taken. "
how do you drop a gun if it's in a holster?? what if someone nuttier picked it up? is that what was hoped for?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Not anti-gun... more like we don't think it's a very smart idea to have loaded weapons in an environment where hot topic issues are argued and heated exchanges are probably going to break out. The same way we think it's probably a bad idea to allow armed Raiders Fans into new England Patriots home games. You may feel it is okay... some of us just feel differently.
Hail, Hail!!!
If you wanna talk about wacko, I think you would have to be completely nutso, to even contemplate taking a weapon into a situation like we are discussing in this thread, which has the real possibility of becoming volatile. Why would anyone contemplate that?
that said, i can think of several reasons to bring a gun.
1. maybe they are too intellectually inept to exchange ideas in a civil manner so the gun becomes the equalizer and a way of controlling the debate.
2. maybe they are just very scared individuals. they can't handle themselves like an adult and if a fight breaks out they are unable to take care of things with their hands so they resort to a firearm.
3. maybe it is just compensation for a lack of something else....
got a gun, fact i got two, thats ok man cause i love god...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
I'm a gun owner and don't have a problem with the 2nd amendmet, but combining a bunch of irrational, largely misinformed protesters with guns is a recipe for disaster.
It's like sporting events... do you want emotionally charged people in large crowds carrying guns, interacting with rival fans?
But the question of the day goes to Cosmo -
If this was a gun control issue being debate, I can somewhat see it, but what the fuck does healthcare have to do with guns?
This fucking tea party, 9/12, birther, bat-ass crazy frenzy that people are getting worked up in is absolutely mind-boggling to me... and the craziest people in the crowd have no clue what is actually true and what isn't.
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so you support allowing those who are diagnosed with mental illnesses to carry firearms?
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42% of republicans don't believe Obama was born in america?
i could care less if he was or wasn't. if he wasn't he still spent the majority of his life as an american
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
I, for one, get tired of having to jump through rediculous hoops that raise the price of the firearm that I, as a responsible person, have the right to own, hunt with, protect my family with. Maybe we should start testing everyone for mental illnesses before letting them drive a car, drink a beer, buy a cigarette lighter, etc...very slippery slope. If someone is wanting something badly enough, they will find the means, especially if they are determined to commit a crime with it. I do wish that people would stop bringing these firearms to political events, though...all they are doing is creating negative media adding fuel to the anti-gun wacko's fire.
It's always interesting when the shoe goes on the other foot.
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I wish the Obama birth certificate wackos would just knock it off. There are about 1000 things wrong with President Obama that could be pointed out and that's not one of them. It only distracts from the real grievances.
6/30/98 Minneapolis, 10/8/00 East Troy (Brrrr!), 6/16/03 St. Paul, 6/27/06 St. Paul
Of course he is in favor of them. I think what Ed would have a problem with is all these people going to the protests now were telling people who didn't support Bush in 2003 leading up to the war to "support the president at all costs" and to "love it or leave it"
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You watch Chris Matthews?? HAHAHA......Do you get a shiver up your leg when Obama speaks???? FUNNY, FUNNY, FUNNY
no, actually i rarely watch tv at all and i didn't vote for Obama. still funny?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Yeah, plus he's Obama and can do no wrong.......RIGHT???
How was his voice denied by the Bush Administration? What did you really expect to happen?
sigh
maybe you should stop making all these assumptions, it's making you look silly
i just don't care where Obama was born. If Bush had been born in Belgium i would care just as little. maybe if he spent 1/2 his life in another country or something i would care but regardless of where he was born his mom was an american so he is as well and he spent his life as an american.
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
what are you trying to say? your first sentence makes it seem like you don't believe his voice was denied but your second sentence has an air of 'well, no duh!' making it seem like it was obvious his voice would be denied.... :?:
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
i can't believe you just said that to i heart scout niblett. he is one of the fairest posters on here, and he is definitely not pro obama.
And I'm sure you watch Fox where Obama could rescue a pregnant woman from a burning building and they'd still say "just another example of President Obama taking government too far".
BBC is the only way to go.
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However, I know that he people bringing assault rifles to see the President are using them as a threat. They're not trying to exercise their 2nd amendment rights, they're trying to stir up fear so they can cry about their rights.
They're bitter that their big bag of bullshit didn't get bought in the last election and they're now getting more paranoid, more upset, more unhinged.
The good news is that they're showing their real colours and the president can mess up a lot before anyone is going to vote against him if all the Republican Party has to offer is threats, intimidation, lies and childish temper tantrums....