I miss this PJ sometimes...
C.C. Nicosia
Posts: 59
C.C. Nicosia
Posts: 59
C.C. Nicosia
Posts: 59
Comments
It sucks getting old...........
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Exactly. It's great to be a fan of such an amazing band.
[url
Dublin 2000, I think. It was at the end of Black, which ended the first set. If I remember correctly, after the encore break Ed said they'd had a bit of an argument and either Stone or Jeff was really mad that Eddie had jumped into the crowd.
I'm glad he doesn't do it anymore, although I remember seeing that crazy look in his eyes in Milan back in 2006. We were front row and he stood on top of the speaker and pretended he was going to jump. I could see crazy Eddie, it was scary!
2022: Berlin, Budapest, Krakow, Amsterdam II
I miss Dave too.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
I find that there is a ton to miss from that particular incarnation of Pearl Jam. Eddie's voice had a stunning power and could wow people that had no idea who he was in a unique way. The tension was amazing and seeing the ENTIRE band pouncing into the music was simply PJ at its best. There are several European concerts (the Tivoli/Den Haag stuff) that are my favorites to watch because all the stuff that we love about this video are in them as well. One of the hardest things for me to witness from PJ over the years has been things like Stone's body seeming to become partially paralyzed (though he's getting better about it recently), the band not opening up random songs into unexpected territory as much and Eddie's vocal decline. I still love PJ, but man do I REALLY love this time frame of PJ.
ahh those were some good ol' angsty times ...
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
I get the emotional thing but what about this? This is from the other day
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sa8z87q85gw
.
Aless
Tell them you love them. Never let the mundane, the unimportant, or worse, the misunderstood, be the final words of parting.
Tell them.
lol
Welcome to my world of pain!
Never in a million years would you see songs like JUST BREATHE/THE END on a PJ album of those days!
NEVER!
But like it has been noted in this thread, they are old now....
LETS JUST BE GRATEFUL THEY ARE STILL HERE!
the mere idea that i would have to be at a seated arena to see them in the US isnt worth even contemplating.
Watching immagine in cornice's rockin' in the free world was pretty amazing, or how about the bands performance at bonnaroo last year? I almost died because of how amazing of a show it was, an 3rd row was pretty sick as well.
And they are far better musicians now.
BOS-9/28/04,9/29/04,6/28/08,6/30/08, 9/5/16, 9/7/16, 9/2/18
MTL-9/15/05, OTT-9/16/05
PHL-5/27/06,5/28/06,10/30/09,10/31/09
CHI-8/2/07,8/5/07,8/23/09,8/24/09
HTFD-6/27/08
ATX-10/4/09, 10/12/14
KC-5/3/2010,STL-5/4/2010
Bridge School-10/23/2010,10/24/2010
PJ20-9/3/2011,9/4/2011
OKC-11/16/13
SEA-12/6/13
TUL-10/8/14
I miss the way the drums and guitar changes used to intertwine. The changes Matt made to the song turned from my favorite to least favorite.
This is the arrangement of the song that I prefer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W2XtoypGap8
I'd pay $100 to see PJ play SOLAT with Dave a couple of times in person, or even if Matt would learn how to play it that way. Seriously.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
(Jeff Tweedy, Sydney 2007)
“Put yer good money on the sunrise”
(Tim Rogers)
since i haven't heard just breathe, i cannot say but i do know release and indifference, and they suck right? with all respect, and I mean that seriously...i don't understand. your world of pain relates to spectacle, not music.
porch.... good rockin', kickass tune. grievance.... masterpiece. the only problem with grievance is eddie doesn't climb rafters, he plays guitar. they are so much better now it's ridiculous.
there's a rock station in my home town 104.3. sometimes i have to listen to it. everyone sounds like pearl jam in 1994, only their music sucks. why would we want to devolve rather than evolve?
.
Aless
Tell them you love them. Never let the mundane, the unimportant, or worse, the misunderstood, be the final words of parting.
Tell them.
PJ's popularity came from how they sounded in the 90's. I don't mind that they don't climb the rafters. They have a lot of energy to be playing 2+ hours now. But the musicality of their early 3 albums has changed, and imo, not positively.
I miss this PJ sometimes... very often.
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
I know this video rather well. I like it, but I prefer them now. Especially live. ESPECIALLY. there's a totally different dynamic. There's different kind of emotion. It's more personal. It's more mutual. It's more respectful. It doesn't matter to me that the drum line changed, or that mike and stone are better guitarists now then they were, I love the new feelings they evoke as a band with the same song they played 25 years ago.
When it comes to new changes to old songs, the only ones that matter (to me, as this is my opinion) are the musical ones. My favorite versions of porch are when Eddie plays guitar. Sometimes, he takes them somewhere else melodically. Otherwise its the 1,035th version of the song. Except damn, that new energy on the stage is well... i love it
but that's me. i am an oldster who listens to indie music and hates oldie stations. gawd... like if i hear black hole sun on the radio one of fing' time, i'm gonna have to drive the station to take down the antenna.
.
Aless
Tell them you love them. Never let the mundane, the unimportant, or worse, the misunderstood, be the final words of parting.
Tell them.
We are going to have to agree to disagree. nothing in their first 3 records is hmm.. as technically interesting as grievance, unless you want to include corduroy. and while I don't like every new song in the last three albums, I didn't like every song of the first three either. I try to listen to them with new ears. But I listen to a lot of new music by bands trying new things. When I listen to the binaural sessions, i'm blown away by their musicality, which we are clearly defining differently. no surprise since we have such different tastes.
i'm completely rambling so I'll stop but ::waves:: agrees to disagree, rather strongly. i'd color in the #5 oval with my #2 pencil.
.
Aless
Tell them you love them. Never let the mundane, the unimportant, or worse, the misunderstood, be the final words of parting.
Tell them.
miss it? no
want that now? No f'n way
It would be embarrassing. much better now
While I disagree with that their sound has improved on older songs, I think you've explained yourself very well. I used to cover SOLAT on drums with one band I was in, in the early 90's, so I may notice all the changes that were made on all of the songs more than some. Overall I think it's a less volitile, and the drums are unfortunately played somewhat in an arbitrary manner, where as before, they were so tightly intertwined.
Luckily, while Matt doesn't like to hit the crash cymbals (which for me, makes half the song, how it highlights the chord changes), it looks like he's moving a little closer to Dave's kit... as he's added a few extra crashes. I also noticed on Shepard's version of SOLAT, he's finally hitting the cymbals more than he did even just last year... so he's working his way there, very slowly. So, I agree, that the band is getting better on SOLAT, but better than on SOLAT to how they've been playing it over the last 10 years, but no where as good as it was arranged 18 years ago.
And I consider the drums to be "musical".
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10
I know at some point people often have to agree to disagree and I appreciate you posting a link. In fact, watching that link reaffirmed for me what I find missing. I watch Stone in that video, I watch Matt in that video, I watch Jeff... and I'm pretty disheartened. The crowd was giving it a respectable go, Eddie was doing pretty good at swimming in the moment, but not in the music as much. It's a hard topic for me to accurately talk about. My opinion is that they used to allow much more room to "swim" in their music. It wasn't according to a script or anything and it was unpredictable, usually fiery, and always powerful. The boys would seem to get totally lost in the music. Eddie would use vocal fills like I had never heard before. A random flare would erupt from a guitar from Mike or Stone or Jeff would pound in a few extra notes at just the right time, naturally.
Maybe you will see some of what I'm talking about in a clip like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICiFYdBmrjo
If not, that's cool. But things I take note of are Eddie getting lost in the music, punctuations to the song by Mike that rise and fade, drums that sound amazing (I know, I know... I don't want to start the drummer debate again) and an overall pulse throughout the entirety of the song.
From the clip you posted, I appreciate the crowd interaction and that is an aspect I love about PJ to this day. But Stone seems barely into it. Matt looks robotic and it sounds pretty robotic in the drumming too. Eddie seems a bit... hesitant (not sure if that is the best word choice) to fully let go, Jeff is sort of a blur back there somewhere doing something. Now sure, we're talking fan shot video and stuff compared to an acoustic pro recording. I get that. But maybe I've described enough to give you a sense of what I miss from this band and it isn't something that I feel stems from aging. Sure, Eddie's voice isn't what is used to be and that is frat least partially due to natural aging. Where you probably see more musicality from their current performances, I see less and less interaction/interplay. To me it sounds more scripted these years than back in the era I feel the oriignal poster is commenting on. I feel that the bygone era of PJI'm talking about had a PJ cpable of coming up with stuff just as good or better than anything I'm hearing on Backspacer so far and certainly better than Riot Act. Whether it is stuff like Black, Indifference or Release or stuff like Go, Rearviewmirror or Why Go... I think it all stacks up admirably against anything I can think of recently from the band. I certainly enjoy stuff like Man of the Hour or Ed's Into The Wild stuff, but I don't think it's something so far improved that the bygone PJ couldn't have mustered. What I don't think that bygone PJ could have mustered are some of the philosophical mindsets now present in their music.
I think that too often we throw out the "they've aged" card too quickly to explain away a magic and power they certainly once held like no other (or at least like the greatest of the greats).
I think their recordings music writing has indeed progressed and gotten more complex. Significantly in some cases. Grievance is an awesome song, and I don't think that song would have been that way with Dave in the band. It may not even have been written if Dave were still in the band. Same with No Code and Irons. I'm speaking exclusively about how new-pearl-jam plays old-pearl-jam.
I guess maybe I'm the only one who hears it... Their old versions and new versions seem on opposite spectrums.
Old PJ - Rats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVVd22uC ... re=related
New PJ - Rats
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcaX7reiZQc
*NYC 9/28/96 *NYC 9/29/96 *NJ 9/8/98 (front row "may i play drums with you")
*MSG 9/10/98 (backstage) *MSG 9/11/98 (backstage)
*Jones Beach 8/23/00 *Jones Beach 8/24/00 *Jones Beach 8/25/00
*Mansfield 8/29/00 *Mansfield 8/30/00 *Nassau 4/30/03 *Nissan VA 7/1/03
*Borgata 10/1/05 *Camden 5/27/06 *Camden 5/28/06 *DC 5/30/06
*VA Beach 6/17/08 *DC 6/22/08 *MSG 6/24/08 (backstage) *MSG 6/25/08
*EV DC 8/17/08 *EV Baltimore 6/15/09 *Philly 10/31/09
*Bristow VA 5/13/10 *MSG 5/20/10 *MSG 5/21/10