rachel maddow right now....

Jeanwah

NoK wrote:

Just on this little debate you guys are having.. you can easily detect bullshit from the language a reporter or news correspondent uses. Fisk has published many articles about this. Very eye opening.

Anyway, if one was to sit there story after story and talk about Israelis defending against terrorists you can label that bullshit and switch channels. Or when you see that when a newspaper always publishes articles that give a negative view of a certain subject you know they're biased and their reports are likely not as credible as you would wish. There is a newspaper like this in Australia. The best article it can produce about the middle east is honour killings or harsh sentences against people. Not once has it published something decent about that whole area.

All media is owned. Rupert Murdoch is on his way to owning the whole mass media industry in America and newspapers are being bought up by the widely owned ones. In order to keep a neutral tone, you've got to look for the independently owned papers and channels or just take everything with a grain of salt.

Pepe Silvia

Jeanwah wrote:

Commy wrote:

WHEN they report facts, they are for the most part accurate. i'm guessing there was plenty of speculation going on about michael jackson, i stayed away from that.

but the information presented has to be correct, if a station is caught telling lies on a nightly basis people tend to go someplace else for their "news", even within its roll as propaganda tool of the state. this isn't nam, there are rules.

And you have this magical power of seeing through the bullshit and finding the facts in the news. Tell us your secret. It's not as easy as you say, they're masters of manipulation. It's like advertising; subliminally making you believe you're watching the truth because you know of no other news so you just believe, because it's all you know. Really, I'd like to know how you pick out the facts and sort out the rest in the news. Especially since our media is nothing more than a propaganda machine for our gov't. We only see what they want us to see. Watch international news and tell me that we're getting the same facts, universally. We're certainly not.

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speaking of subliminal messages; when it was hannity & colmes, yes i used to watch it, what can i say? anyway, back then at points the word NEWS would be on the screen either on the set or a graphic a dozen times at once!

blondieblue227

Jeanwah wrote:

Commy, Commy, Commy. For some reason, it's fun saying that. You may think you know all the facts, but the truth really is...no one knows for sure, now do they. They don't.

i agree.
even if you do your research in many different places you still don't know.

What’s worse?
Not believing anything or believing one new source only.
Like being a faithful watcher of Fox news….eeekkk!

Pepe Silvia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated ... her_Newton

The Associated Press fired Washington, D.C., bureau reporter Christopher Newton in September 2002, accusing him of fabricating at least 40 people and organizations since 2000.

Commy

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_press#Christopher_Newton

The Associated Press fired Washington, D.C., bureau reporter Christopher Newton in September 2002, accusing him of fabricating at least 40 people and organizations since 2000.

they don't need top lie be effective at propaganda. it helps, but they don't need to.

Pepe Silvia

Commy wrote:

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Associated_press#Christopher_Newton

The Associated Press fired Washington, D.C., bureau reporter Christopher Newton in September 2002, accusing him of fabricating at least 40 people and organizations since 2000.

i stand corrected. and of course no one ever heard of this in the news.


they don't need top lie be effective at propaganda. it helps, but they don't need to.

it's all in the wording a lot of the time or what's left out or the editing....sometimes it is just lies. take a lot of the reporting building up to the war, a lot of that turned out to be untrue but it was still published and pushed, at least for a time, as truth or they outright lie like Fox has been known to do. although they're not really reporters but hosts of a tv show

i never heard about the ap firing that guy until today i thought who owns and runs the AP?

didn't cnn have some military intelligence people working in their newsroom for a while still in the military years ago?

NoK

Jeanwah wrote:

.. just take everything with a grain of salt.

This is what I normally do. I read mainstream newspapers for comical relief just picking out what is blatantly biased. Sometimes they are also a handy tool to make yourself aware of a certain story only to further research it yourself using independent sources if that story interests you. I think fact fabrication, even if it does happen every now and then, will eventually be caught out which is why not many people actually do it. As in the story posted a few posts above it was one journo who did all the fabrication. This is why mainstream journals tend to rely on bias and not fact fabrication. I'm with you on this Commy.

Commy

NoK wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

.. just take everything with a grain of salt.

This is what I normally do. I read mainstream newspapers for comical relief just picking out what is blatantly biased. Sometimes they are also a handy tool to make yourself aware of a certain story only to further research it yourself using independent sources if that story interests you. I think fact fabrication, even if it does happen every now and then, will eventually be caught out which is why not many people actually do it. As in the story posted a few posts above it was one journo who did all the fabrication. This is why mainstream journals tend to rely on bias and not fact fabrication. I'm with you on this Commy.

yeah man, i still believe for the most part the facts presented in msm are accurate. most of the time its what they don't report that is so damaging.


i agree with jeanwah somewhat, that there really is no way to know exactly how factual the media is. but they don't need to lie to be effective at what they do. in fact, if they get caught in presenting lies it actually hurts their cause.

like they report on israeli casualties all day and fail to mention how bad the palestinian casualties are-using accurate numbers-which gives the viewer the impression israel is the victim...they're the ones dying right? they don't actually lie...its how they present the facts to us, not necessarily WHAT facts are presented. over report one side, under report the other.....giving the impression isreal is the victim, when in fact they have Gaza under siege.

its all propaganda/misleading/distractionary bullshit , but i still believe for the most part the media is accurate with the specific facts they present to us. but to be sure, they are tools of government and the corporations that own them....in some cases they do fabricate stories..gulf of tonkin/iraq war/etc.

Jeanwah

Hey Commy. Here's something I'd like to know your POV on....mainstream news tells us global warming is not real. Fact? or fiction? "The mainstream media tells me it's not so...." Just as a NASA scientist was threatened by Bush himself, if he released his findings on climate change a couple years ago. He quit and then released the findings himself.

The war in Iraq. Tell me the facts in US mainstream news about what's going on day to day. because we see NOTHING. Because reality isn't seen on the nightly news. Granted, you mentioned that they purposely leave out info, well, they leave out Iraq on a daily basis. The Bush admin. had banned soldier's from talking to the media and the caskets of those killed were banned from the media. Obama has lifted the ban on casket viewing. Still, not everything is presented. There's much more going on that the media refuses to show....many of that are the facts we're kept in the dark about.

weenie

Commy wrote:

NoK wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

.. just take everything with a grain of salt.

This is what I normally do. I read mainstream newspapers for comical relief just picking out what is blatantly biased. Sometimes they are also a handy tool to make yourself aware of a certain story only to further research it yourself using independent sources if that story interests you. I think fact fabrication, even if it does happen every now and then, will eventually be caught out which is why not many people actually do it. As in the story posted a few posts above it was one journo who did all the fabrication. This is why mainstream journals tend to rely on bias and not fact fabrication. I'm with you on this Commy.

yeah man, i still believe for the most part the facts presented in msm are accurate. most of the time its what they don't report that is so damaging.


i agree with jeanwah somewhat, that there really is no way to know exactly how factual the media is. but they don't need to lie to be effective at what they do. in fact, if they get caught in presenting lies it actually hurts their cause.

like they report on israeli casualties all day and fail to mention how bad the palestinian casualties are-using accurate numbers-which gives the viewer the impression israel is the victim...they're the ones dying right? they don't actually lie...its how they present the facts to us, not necessarily WHAT facts are presented. over report one side, under report the other.....giving the impression isreal is the victim, when in fact they have Gaza under siege.

its all propaganda/misleading/distractionary bullshit , but i still believe for the most part the media is accurate with the specific facts they present to us. but to be sure, they are tools of government and the corporations that own them....in some cases they do fabricate stories..gulf of tonkin/iraq war/etc.

Totally agree with you Commy. I took a class in college on Informational, Documentary and Propagandist Film. Bottom line was that only film verite is true and accurate for the communication of "facts", or the truth, for which this style of film is named. The minute any human being chooses to state the "facts" about any occurrence, his/her own unconscious bias' operate as filters. "Filters" are also colored by those that control the media: organizations and corporations, including our government. There is no way to know the truth, unless you see it with your own eyes - even then you can't always be sure of what you are seeing. Those that control the media seek to control "reality" for their own purposes.

Sludge Factory

Jeanwah wrote:

Hey Commy. Here's something I'd like to know your POV on....mainstream news tells us global warming is not real. Fact? or fiction? "The mainstream media tells me it's not so...." Just as a NASA scientist was threatened by Bush himself, if he released his findings on climate change a couple years ago. He quit and then released the findings himself.

The war in Iraq. Tell me the facts in US mainstream news about what's going on day to day. because we see NOTHING. Because reality isn't seen on the nightly news. Granted, you mentioned that they purposely leave out info, well, they leave out Iraq on a daily basis. The Bush admin. had banned soldier's from talking to the media and the caskets of those killed were banned from the media. Obama has lifted the ban on casket viewing. Still, not everything is presented. There's much more going on that the media refuses to show....many of that are the facts we're kept in the dark about.

The mainstream news I've seen always says that global warming is real...

Commy

Sludge Factory wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

Hey Commy. Here's something I'd like to know your POV on....mainstream news tells us global warming is not real. Fact? or fiction? "The mainstream media tells me it's not so...." Just as a NASA scientist was threatened by Bush himself, if he released his findings on climate change a couple years ago. He quit and then released the findings himself.

The war in Iraq. Tell me the facts in US mainstream news about what's going on day to day. because we see NOTHING. Because reality isn't seen on the nightly news. Granted, you mentioned that they purposely leave out info, well, they leave out Iraq on a daily basis. The Bush admin. had banned soldier's from talking to the media and the caskets of those killed were banned from the media. Obama has lifted the ban on casket viewing. Still, not everything is presented. There's much more going on that the media refuses to show....many of that are the facts we're kept in the dark about.

The mainstream news I've seen always says that global warming is real...

i agree with most of this jeanwah. seems like the first reaction is to ignore any story of importance. they only start reporting on something when they are forced to..when another independent media source picks up the story or when some journalist goes rogue. or when certain windows open up...like during watergate journalists were actually allowed to do their jobs, and plenty of good information was reported in that window. things that mattered. but most of the time any good story is edited out.

i was watching a documentary on this...and some suit was standing there saying 'well its not like someone is sitting in an office deciding the news for the day'. but when you think about it that's exactly what is going on. some editor or producer IS deciding the news for the day. and when all of these editors and producers work for corporations that have agendas...the news we get is in no way going to contradict the views of the corporate masters.

so i don't agree that the msm is against global warming, or for it. i think they are ignoring the issue entirely, as they do with any story of importance.

Pepe Silvia

maybe we can agree at times the media puts out pure pieces of propaganda, other times it all comes down to the wording. like was pointed out with Israel/Palestine. i forget who, i think it may have been Chomsky but anyway, someone wrote something about how the AP will edit their stories as the day goes by and it showed how the slant of the story changed with the edits...they also used an israel/palestine AP story and in the end it listed exactly how many Israeli's died and things like that but didn't mention how many Palestinians died and things like that. the story was still, for the most part, factual but the way they worded it and what information they pushed gave it a bias and pro Israeli slant.

darthvedder81

Rachel Maddow is one of my favorite ball players. Without her patrolling center field the Cleveland Indians would really be screwed!

yogibare

Fox viewers are the most misinformed about health care reform, for one
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/19/fox ... sinformed/