rachel maddow right now....
Pepe Silvia
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is anyone watching this? she's breaking down how companies like bristol meyers squib and other pharma and insurance groups are funding these 'grassroots' campaigns at the town hall meetings
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
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Thanks this keeps me from staying up till 3am
Peace
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but it's trues, isn't it? this group passes itself off as grassroots while they accept money from a partnership of these companies who stated they want to disrupt any discussion on the subject
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
Gimme some truth.
Although I do like Maddow...and I almost expect that special interest groups would be trying to fund these "town hall meetings".
i'm surprised rachel maddow even has a show, with some of the stuff she takes on. these so-called grassroots campaigns funded by multi national corporations...that's the kind of thing mainstream usually filters out.;
thanks for posting this. news to me.
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
90% of news printed comes from the AP wire. you don't get to that point, even today under our system owned by corporations...you can't be responsible for 90% of the printed news and be incorrect with your numbers too many times.
that's all i'm saying, the information presented is for the most part correct, its the context and how its presented is what is so dangerous.
a break from that was during bush 2 and his administration selling us the war in Iraq. the media was so subservient they were not accurate with the facts....but that was an exception.. but it did show how obedient the media is to power.
Oh, so all the news about Michael Jackson is probably 90% accurate? And how are we to know? Is this news coming from AP? Ah, no. When the 4 major networks claim that talking about MJ even months after his death as "big news", any semi-intelligent person would wonder about the quality of our media AND the news they report, not just the context and the way it's delivered to us. Stories are told, even stories come from AP, but really...there's no proof that much of it is fact because there's so much more involved with the story. So you're right about the context, but to think that it's mostly fact? Please!
I’ve sometimes gotten so tired of deciphering thru it to figure out their angle, I’ve stopped watching it for a long period of time. that’s not cool, you outta know what’s going on in the world.
Then they talk about blogging taking over as a news source. That’s not any better because everybody has an opinion.
What happened to the selfless public servant? Did they ever exist at all, or are they like some mythical creature? The only ones I can think of, and my heart will be broken if I’m wrong, is this country’s four fathers back in the colonial days.
WHEN they report facts, they are for the most part accurate. i'm guessing there was plenty of speculation going on about michael jackson, i stayed away from that.
but the information presented has to be correct, if a station is caught telling lies on a nightly basis people tend to go someplace else for their "news", even within its roll as propaganda tool of the state. this isn't nam, there are rules.
And you have this magical power of seeing through the bullshit and finding the facts in the news. Tell us your secret. It's not as easy as you say, they're masters of manipulation. It's like advertising; subliminally making you believe you're watching the truth because you know of no other news so you just believe, because it's all you know. Really, I'd like to know how you pick out the facts and sort out the rest in the news. Especially since our media is nothing more than a propaganda machine for our gov't. We only see what they want us to see. Watch international news and tell me that we're getting the same facts, universally. We're certainly not.
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its a simple point, and its not even that important. i've done my research.
peace.
there are groups that study this very thing. it is possible to know this, "for sure". you or i could do a study.
Anyway, if one was to sit there story after story and talk about Israelis defending against terrorists you can label that bullshit and switch channels. Or when you see that when a newspaper always publishes articles that give a negative view of a certain subject you know they're biased and their reports are likely not as credible as you would wish. There is a newspaper like this in Australia. The best article it can produce about the middle east is honour killings or harsh sentences against people. Not once has it published something decent about that whole area.
speaking of subliminal messages; when it was hannity & colmes, yes i used to watch it, what can i say? anyway, back then at points the word NEWS would be on the screen either on the set or a graphic a dozen times at once!
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
i agree.
even if you do your research in many different places you still don't know.
What’s worse?
Not believing anything or believing one new source only.
Like being a faithful watcher of Fox news….eeekkk!
The Associated Press fired Washington, D.C., bureau reporter Christopher Newton in September 2002, accusing him of fabricating at least 40 people and organizations since 2000.
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
they don't need top lie be effective at propaganda. it helps, but they don't need to.
it's all in the wording a lot of the time or what's left out or the editing....sometimes it is just lies. take a lot of the reporting building up to the war, a lot of that turned out to be untrue but it was still published and pushed, at least for a time, as truth or they outright lie like Fox has been known to do. although they're not really reporters but hosts of a tv show
i never heard about the ap firing that guy until today i thought who owns and runs the AP?
didn't cnn have some military intelligence people working in their newsroom for a while still in the military years ago?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
This is what I normally do. I read mainstream newspapers for comical relief just picking out what is blatantly biased. Sometimes they are also a handy tool to make yourself aware of a certain story only to further research it yourself using independent sources if that story interests you. I think fact fabrication, even if it does happen every now and then, will eventually be caught out which is why not many people actually do it. As in the story posted a few posts above it was one journo who did all the fabrication. This is why mainstream journals tend to rely on bias and not fact fabrication. I'm with you on this Commy.
yeah man, i still believe for the most part the facts presented in msm are accurate. most of the time its what they don't report that is so damaging.
i agree with jeanwah somewhat, that there really is no way to know exactly how factual the media is. but they don't need to lie to be effective at what they do. in fact, if they get caught in presenting lies it actually hurts their cause.
like they report on israeli casualties all day and fail to mention how bad the palestinian casualties are-using accurate numbers-which gives the viewer the impression israel is the victim...they're the ones dying right? they don't actually lie...its how they present the facts to us, not necessarily WHAT facts are presented. over report one side, under report the other.....giving the impression isreal is the victim, when in fact they have Gaza under siege.
its all propaganda/misleading/distractionary bullshit , but i still believe for the most part the media is accurate with the specific facts they present to us. but to be sure, they are tools of government and the corporations that own them....in some cases they do fabricate stories..gulf of tonkin/iraq war/etc.
The war in Iraq. Tell me the facts in US mainstream news about what's going on day to day. because we see NOTHING. Because reality isn't seen on the nightly news. Granted, you mentioned that they purposely leave out info, well, they leave out Iraq on a daily basis. The Bush admin. had banned soldier's from talking to the media and the caskets of those killed were banned from the media. Obama has lifted the ban on casket viewing. Still, not everything is presented. There's much more going on that the media refuses to show....many of that are the facts we're kept in the dark about.
Totally agree with you Commy. I took a class in college on Informational, Documentary and Propagandist Film. Bottom line was that only film verite is true and accurate for the communication of "facts", or the truth, for which this style of film is named. The minute any human being chooses to state the "facts" about any occurrence, his/her own unconscious bias' operate as filters. "Filters" are also colored by those that control the media: organizations and corporations, including our government. There is no way to know the truth, unless you see it with your own eyes - even then you can't always be sure of what you are seeing. Those that control the media seek to control "reality" for their own purposes.
Mohandas K. Gandhi
~I once had a sparrow alight upon my shoulder for a moment, while I was hoeing in a village garden, and I felt that I was more distinguished by that circumstance than I should have been by any epaulette I could have worn.~
Henry David Thoreau