Bad things were said of Eddie

hollow bottle

musicismylife78 wrote:

while eddie is a dynamic and hypnotic frontman, I dont think ed is a chris cornell or robert plant either. I dont think ed think he has much range either. That doesnt mean the music isnt good though

Have you listened to Cornell's live stuff. He can't even come close to his studio work. And Robert Plant doesn't hit the amazing notes you would expect from his albums either. I like Cornell, especially his solo work, alot. He is a great song writer. But his live stuff hurts my ears. I love Zep too. As for Eddie, he has been the most consistant out of the three by far. He may not have the energy (rage) he had in the 90's but he still blows me away.

justam

Well, at least Ed helped her coin the phrase "grunge-yodelling." The world really needed that label. :roll: :twisted:

Hammerdonkey

mook wrote:

This sucks:

http://www.theskinny.co.uk/article/46417-dolores-oriordan-no-baggage

Dolores O'Riordan - No Baggage

No Baggage? More like Douche Baggage...Wait that sucked....Ball Baggage....No that sucked too.

Oh wait, I suck.

I just thought it would be funny to type Douche Baggage. Clearly, I was incorrect.

slightofjeff

bootlegger10 wrote:

He is limited on what he can sing. His range has diminished considerably. The strain is obviously there on PJ's faster songs, and is now creeping into their midtempo songs. Oh well, that's what age, smoking, and years of singing your guts out will do to you. Luckily, we've got years of Eddie solo tours to look forward to, as well as Pearl Jam. I'm not saying I don't enjoy the songs, but Ed's booming vocals are gone.

He could not have performed Arc in 1990. That is all.

slightofjeff

DewieCox wrote:

PJammer4life wrote:

eddie's phrasing is unmatched......

What does that even mean?

Apparently, this guy likes Ed's vocal phrasing ...

mrs.smiley

CitizenRick wrote:

Laughable! This must be a joke thread. Eddie Vedder sings like no other. Have you heard Reign or' Me? Does he have the operatic tones of Chris Cornell? no...but even Cornell sounds less than his old self. Nobody has the true richness and honesty in their voice then Ed does in music today.

He can bring the heat anytime he wants. As for the "he doesn't have the power (deep baritone) anymore" people... listen to Long Nights from ITW and the new clip (ATW) from Backspacer.

He just saves himself these days.[/quote

I agree. Saw CC in April & he is incredible but, yes not as stong as even he once was. As for Eddie, I have always found his rich, baritone almost hypnotic & he still has plenty 'o power-adore his voice. Age takes a toll on everyone-I love Robert Plant but his voice is certainly not what it was backin the day. Hard livin' & age force them all to just use the voice differently

pjamaholic

For a guy with no range, he does ok. Just listen to "The Wolf" on ITW. There are singers out there with crap voices who do a good job singing, and crap singers with good voices. Sure there are notes Eddie misses, but I still love his voice. I don't think it's much different from the early 90s, but plenty would disagree.

mca47

bootlegger10 wrote:

He is limited on what he can sing. His range has diminished considerably. The strain is obviously there on PJ's faster songs, and is now creeping into their midtempo songs. Oh well, that's what age, smoking, and years of singing your guts out will do to you. Luckily, we've got years of Eddie solo tours to look forward to, as well as Pearl Jam. I'm not saying I don't enjoy the songs, but Ed's booming vocals are gone.

I agree 100%.

I just have soooooo many "cringe-moments" listening to him try to pull off those louder, up-tempo songs.

I still think he sounds absolutely amazing at times, but those times are very few and far between.

Remember when he was pulling off the mic when it was clear he couldn't hit or hold a note? That became obvious around '03.
Now it seems he'll pull off and still simply miss notes over and over.


Hell, even some non-diehard PJ reviewers have picked up on it.

mook

I had no idea that so many people on this board disliked so many things about Eddie's voice.

His voice is good, the article sucks. That's my opinion.

Some things should not be over analyzed. Damn!

Wolf At Bay

musicismylife78 wrote:

while eddie is a dynamic and hypnotic frontman, I dont think ed is a chris cornell or robert plant either. I dont think ed think he has much range either. That doesnt mean the music isnt good though

i don't think cornell's voice is all that good. although I still like soundgarden a whole bunch

ed has plenty range, much more than most rock singers. his singing style is way different from cornell and plant, but I don't think it would be outrageous to stand eddie up against daltry (who no doubt had more influence on eddie anyway)

Wolf At Bay

DewieCox wrote:

PJammer4life wrote:

eddie's phrasing is unmatched......

What does that even mean?

i know what he means. it encompasses a lot of things - the melodies he writes, where he puts the stresses and emphasis, the way he pairs the lyrics to the melody, his dynamics.

and pjammer2life is right.

Wolf At Bay

hollow bottle wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

while eddie is a dynamic and hypnotic frontman, I dont think ed is a chris cornell or robert plant either. I dont think ed think he has much range either. That doesnt mean the music isnt good though

Have you listened to Cornell's live stuff. He can't even come close to his studio work. And Robert Plant doesn't hit the amazing notes you would expect from his albums either. I like Cornell, especially his solo work, alot. He is a great song writer. But his live stuff hurts my ears. I love Zep too. As for Eddie, he has been the most consistant out of the three by far. He may not have the energy (rage) he had in the 90's but he still blows me away.

to add to what i said in my other post, this is a good point, cornell is very uneven in live performance (never seen him, basing this on recordings) but even if you want to say plant has trouble with some notes live, he is still an awesome singer live, and you can't begrudge a guy who at the height of zeppelin's fame, was touring constantly for ducking a few high notes here and there.

also: soundgarden had a really cool sound, and was creative, but overall, eddie writes way better melodies.

slightofjeff

mca47 wrote:

bootlegger10 wrote:

He is limited on what he can sing. His range has diminished considerably. The strain is obviously there on PJ's faster songs, and is now creeping into their midtempo songs. Oh well, that's what age, smoking, and years of singing your guts out will do to you. Luckily, we've got years of Eddie solo tours to look forward to, as well as Pearl Jam. I'm not saying I don't enjoy the songs, but Ed's booming vocals are gone.

I agree 100%.

I just have soooooo many "cringe-moments" listening to him try to pull off those louder, up-tempo songs.

I still think he sounds absolutely amazing at times, but those times are very few and far between.

Remember when he was pulling off the mic when it was clear he couldn't hit or hold a note? That became obvious around '03.
Now it seems he'll pull off and still simply miss notes over and over.


Hell, even some non-diehard PJ reviewers have picked up on it.

There were plenty of "cringe-worthy" moments back in the day, too. We just didn't hear a lot of them because we weren't hearing every single show of every single tour like we are now. We were usually just hearing the best of the best.

Ed's voice is evolving. Or has evolved. It would be silly for me to claim that it has the same booming quality it had on Unplugged, the style that spawned scores of Scott Stapp-like imitators. But he definitely has more range now. I don't even know how anyone could argue otherwise. He could not have pulled off Arc or The Wolf in 1990.

He's more of a singer now, as opposed to a growler.

His voice is just different now. Better in some ways. Perhaps not as good in others. I tend to like it more now, because he can sing things now he never could have approached back in the day. I've got a copy of Ed doing "Talk About the Passion" in '95, and he couldn't really hit those notes. And that isn't even a particularly difficult song to sing.

I bet he could knock it out of the park nowadays.

CJMST3K

bootlegger10 wrote:

He is limited on what he can sing. His range has diminished considerably. The strain is obviously there on PJ's faster songs, and is now creeping into their midtempo songs. Oh well, that's what age, smoking, and years of singing your guts out will do to you. Luckily, we've got years of Eddie solo tours to look forward to, as well as Pearl Jam. I'm not saying I don't enjoy the songs, but Ed's booming vocals are gone.

The strange thing is I enjoyed Ed's vocals on song like from the 1997 TFC shows, where is voice was more thin sounding. Now when he does them, they sound deeper and more "booming" to me... but I'd chalk some of that up to a change in how he wants to sing them rather than ability. I think a lot of his personal fury (or anger) from the early 90's is gone, so he's got to try to make his voice sound similar to the old stuff without the natural adrenaline. But that's just what I think.

European Fan1

he's gained in maturity and can do things now that he couldn't have done back in the day

I remember when I first saw the band in 06 in Marseille, after reading similar threads on this board I was expecting him to be struggling with some of the songs but damn was I wrong. I think he can have days where his voice is a bit off but it's very very far from being as bad as some people are saying

have you sheard him sing love reign o'er me and the real me at that who tribute show? can someone honestly say they think his voice is weak on that?

emeraldkity

Different strokes.
I would agree Eddie doesn't have the range of Minnie Ripperton, or that he did when he was younger.
While age can slightly limit our physical abilities, if we are fortunate we gain enough passion, timing and experience to more than make up for the lessening of measurable performance.

I am more than happy with what Eddie puts into his work ( but since I also think Mike is a fine singer, I hope that he will get to take over a bit from time to time)

CJMST3K

jg205222 wrote:

he's gained in maturity and can do things now that he couldn't have done back in the day

I remember when I first saw the band in 06 in Marseille, after reading similar threads on this board I was expecting him to be struggling with some of the songs but damn was I wrong. I think he can have days where his voice is a bit off but it's very very far from being as bad as some people are saying

have you sheard him sing love reign o'er me and the real me at that who tribute show? can someone honestly say they think his voice is weak on that?

Exactly. Ed can "bring it" when he wants to. For the most part, his voice is still there. But on songs like Blood, his voice is noticeably not the same (but whose would be after a decade-plus of singing like that).

DewieCox

Wolf At Bay wrote:

DewieCox wrote:

PJammer4life wrote:

eddie's phrasing is unmatched......

What does that even mean?

i know what he means. it encompasses a lot of things - the melodies he writes, where he puts the stresses and emphasis, the way he pairs the lyrics to the melody, his dynamics.

and pjammer2life is right.

It's a generic statement that really has no meaning at all.

Freddie Mercury does all those things 10x better than Ed. Sorry, but it's true. I'd put Plant, Cornell, and Axl above Ed and that's not thinkin about it.

Vedder_Girl77

Ed's voice is amazing...especially live!

chris32482

DewieCox wrote:

Freddie Mercury does all those things 10x better than Ed. Sorry, but it's true. I'd put Plant, Cornell, and Axl above Ed and that's not thinkin about it.

Axl's voice is gone. In his prime he was unbelievable, but he sounds like shit to me now. Cornell is still amazing. I saw him live 2 years ago (it think-- it was shortly after Carry On came out) and he sounded just as good as he does on his records, maybe better. Rober Plant, well, none of these other guys would even matter if it wasn't for him so....

As far as Ed's voice, it's obviously fading fast. But he still sounds great to me.