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mookmook Posts: 78
edited August 2009 in The Porch
This sucks:

http://www.theskinny.co.uk/article/46417-dolores-oriordan-no-baggage

Dolores O'Riordan - No Baggage

In a weird way, former Cranberries frontwoman Dorlores O'Riordan has something in common with Eddie Vedder, her crooning being as divisive as Vedder's grunge-yodelling. Just as Vedder's pipes limit the sort of music he can perform, so O'Riordan seems predestined to restlessly pace around the same musical patch; calling her album No Baggage is almost too desperate, suggestive of a hint of underlying neurosis. Her sophomore solo effort, however, spends little time on the psychoanalyst's couch, kicking off with a couple of pop songs (Switch of the Moment and Skeleton) that are so polite on the ears that they could easily have been recorded for Melanie Chisholm, if it wasn't for O'Riordan's husky Irish growl slathered all over them. As No Baggage progresses though, it blossoms, and the penultimate piano track Lunatic and Coldplay-like Tranquilizer suggest that once Dolores has stopped trying to write 'chart-topping songs', the real music can begin.
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  • MFC9289MFC9289 Posts: 144
    who cares
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,093
    He is limited on what he can sing. His range has diminished considerably. The strain is obviously there on PJ's faster songs, and is now creeping into their midtempo songs. Oh well, that's what age, smoking, and years of singing your guts out will do to you. Luckily, we've got years of Eddie solo tours to look forward to, as well as Pearl Jam. I'm not saying I don't enjoy the songs, but Ed's booming vocals are gone.
  • mfc2006mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,484
    maybe i'm crazy, but i don't think his vocals sound bad at all.
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  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    while eddie is a dynamic and hypnotic frontman, I dont think ed is a chris cornell or robert plant either. I dont think ed think he has much range either. That doesnt mean the music isnt good though
  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,877
    The strain is obviously there on PJ's faster songs, and is now creeping into their midtempo songs

    True.

    Still rocking the accoustic songs though.
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    I don't get where anything bad is said. Divisive just means that it either bothers people and they don't listen to PJ or they like it and it's one of the reasons they like/tolerate PJ.

    The part about limiting what he can sing...... That's just a matter of opinion, though it kinda does. He's not gonna be doing anything that requires really technically minded singing.
  • OceansJennyOceansJenny Manhattan, NY Posts: 3,398
    mfc2006 wrote:
    maybe i'm crazy, but i don't think his vocals sound bad at all.

    They're not bad, they're just not as hot as they were on Ten - Vitalogy
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  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    mfc2006 wrote:
    maybe i'm crazy, but i don't think his vocals sound bad at all.

    +1
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  • fortyshadesfortyshades Posts: 1,834
    mook wrote:
    This sucks:

    http://www.theskinny.co.uk/article/46417-dolores-oriordan-no-baggage

    Dolores O'Riordan - No Baggage

    In a weird way, former Cranberries frontwoman Dorlores O'Riordan has something in common with Eddie Vedder, her crooning being as divisive as Vedder's grunge-yodelling. Just as Vedder's pipes limit the sort of music he can perform, so O'Riordan seems predestined to restlessly pace around the same musical patch; calling her album No Baggage is almost too desperate, suggestive of a hint of underlying neurosis. Her sophomore solo effort, however, spends little time on the psychoanalyst's couch, kicking off with a couple of pop songs (Switch of the Moment and Skeleton) that are so polite on the ears that they could easily have been recorded for Melanie Chisholm, if it wasn't for O'Riordan's husky Irish growl slathered all over them. As No Baggage progresses though, it blossoms, and the penultimate piano track Lunatic and Coldplay-like Tranquilizer suggest that once Dolores has stopped trying to write 'chart-topping songs', the real music can begin.

    Importance of these statements is none...
  • 12345AGNST112345AGNST1 Posts: 4,906
    To be completely honest, I never considered Ed as much of a singer. he doesn't have much technical ablities and sure as hell is no Chris Cornell. Its really the sound of his voice and stage presence that makes him such an amazing singer.
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  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    If you don't think Ed's voice is kind of divisive among music fans, you need to talk to... people. I know as many people that hate him and his voice as think he's a decent singer.

    I think Ed's voice is still plenty good, but I do think a lot of the music they've been making doesn't put it to very good use. He sounded great at Benaroya and ITW. Not so good on the faster, punky tunes like Got Some. I think they ought to listen to the last Tragically Hip album to see how a band manages to play to the strengths of a lead singer who doesn't have the kind of power he once did. They did a great job building an album around songs Gord could really do justice to rather than forcing a bunch of hard rock songs that end up sounding bad due to vocal performances that can't cut it.
  • Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    He is limited on what he can sing. His range has diminished considerably. The strain is obviously there on PJ's faster songs, and is now creeping into their midtempo songs. Oh well, that's what age, smoking, and years of singing your guts out will do to you. Luckily, we've got years of Eddie solo tours to look forward to, as well as Pearl Jam. I'm not saying I don't enjoy the songs, but Ed's booming vocals are gone.
    yahh... still love the guy but its hard to argue otherwise

    ed needs to follow chris' lead and do whatever he did to get his vocals back in top form... quitting smoking is probably a big part of that... not that any of us have a right to tell him what to do... but i think it should be a priority (for music and for the sake of his growing family)

    as much as he looks up to bob dylan i dont want him to sound anything like old dylan 20 years from now
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  • redeyeredeye Posts: 620
    you only have to listen to early boots to see eds voice aint quite as good...
    but in his prime, for me, he blew away most..
  • PJammer4lifePJammer4life Los Angeles Posts: 2,657
    eddie's phrasing is unmatched......
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  • DewieCoxDewieCox Posts: 11,430
    PJammer4life wrote:
    eddie's phrasing is unmatched......

    What does that even mean?
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    I'm going to be honest, but it took me a while to get into Pearl Jam waay back in 1993.

    Why?

    I couldn't stand Eddie's voice. It bugged the hell out of me.

    Eventually I connected, and now rarely will listen to anything not done by him. I love his vocals now.

    I'm not surprised so many people think he sucks.
  • CitizenRickCitizenRick Posts: 1,079
    Laughable! This must be a joke thread. Eddie Vedder sings like no other. Have you heard Reign or' Me? Does he have the operatic tones of Chris Cornell? no...but even Cornell sounds less than his old self. Nobody has the true richness and honesty in their voice then Ed does in music today.

    He can bring the heat anytime he wants. As for the "he doesn't have the power (deep baritone) anymore" people... listen to Long Nights from ITW and the new clip (ATW) from Backspacer.

    He just saves himself these days.
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  • Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    CitizenRick wrote:
    the new clip (ATW) from Backspacer.
    theres a clip of amongst the waves out now??

    i was at lolla all weekend so im sure im out of the loop
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  • tcaporaletcaporale Posts: 1,577
    Eddie's voice was one of the things that drew me to Pearl Jam.

    Of course, I'm a major Radiohead fanboy as well, and lots of people hate Thom Yorke's voice, too. I guess vocals don't bother me as much as they do to other people.
  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    Kilgore_Trout wrote:
    CitizenRick wrote:
    the new clip (ATW) from Backspacer.
    theres a clip of amongst the waves out now??

    i was at lolla all weekend so im sure im out of the loop
    http://www.wcyt.org/content/amongstthewavesclip.mp3
  • hollow bottlehollow bottle Posts: 183
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    while eddie is a dynamic and hypnotic frontman, I dont think ed is a chris cornell or robert plant either. I dont think ed think he has much range either. That doesnt mean the music isnt good though

    Have you listened to Cornell's live stuff. He can't even come close to his studio work. And Robert Plant doesn't hit the amazing notes you would expect from his albums either. I like Cornell, especially his solo work, alot. He is a great song writer. But his live stuff hurts my ears. I love Zep too. As for Eddie, he has been the most consistant out of the three by far. He may not have the energy (rage) he had in the 90's but he still blows me away.
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  • justamjustam Posts: 21,412
    Well, at least Ed helped her coin the phrase "grunge-yodelling." The world really needed that label. :roll: :twisted:
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  • HammerdonkeyHammerdonkey Posts: 550
    mook wrote:
    This sucks:

    http://www.theskinny.co.uk/article/46417-dolores-oriordan-no-baggage

    Dolores O'Riordan - No Baggage


    No Baggage? More like Douche Baggage...Wait that sucked....Ball Baggage....No that sucked too.

    Oh wait, I suck.

    I just thought it would be funny to type Douche Baggage. Clearly, I was incorrect.
  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    He is limited on what he can sing. His range has diminished considerably. The strain is obviously there on PJ's faster songs, and is now creeping into their midtempo songs. Oh well, that's what age, smoking, and years of singing your guts out will do to you. Luckily, we've got years of Eddie solo tours to look forward to, as well as Pearl Jam. I'm not saying I don't enjoy the songs, but Ed's booming vocals are gone.

    He could not have performed Arc in 1990. That is all.
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  • slightofjeffslightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    DewieCox wrote:
    PJammer4life wrote:
    eddie's phrasing is unmatched......

    What does that even mean?

    Apparently, this guy likes Ed's vocal phrasing ...
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • mrs.smileymrs.smiley Posts: 422
    CitizenRick wrote:
    Laughable! This must be a joke thread. Eddie Vedder sings like no other. Have you heard Reign or' Me? Does he have the operatic tones of Chris Cornell? no...but even Cornell sounds less than his old self. Nobody has the true richness and honesty in their voice then Ed does in music today.

    He can bring the heat anytime he wants. As for the "he doesn't have the power (deep baritone) anymore" people... listen to Long Nights from ITW and the new clip (ATW) from Backspacer.

    He just saves himself these days.[/quote

    I agree. Saw CC in April & he is incredible but, yes not as stong as even he once was. As for Eddie, I have always found his rich, baritone almost hypnotic & he still has plenty 'o power-adore his voice. Age takes a toll on everyone-I love Robert Plant but his voice is certainly not what it was backin the day. Hard livin' & age force them all to just use the voice differently
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  • pjamaholicpjamaholic Posts: 1,225
    For a guy with no range, he does ok. Just listen to "The Wolf" on ITW. There are singers out there with crap voices who do a good job singing, and crap singers with good voices. Sure there are notes Eddie misses, but I still love his voice. I don't think it's much different from the early 90s, but plenty would disagree.
  • mca47mca47 Posts: 13,304
    bootlegger10 wrote:
    He is limited on what he can sing. His range has diminished considerably. The strain is obviously there on PJ's faster songs, and is now creeping into their midtempo songs. Oh well, that's what age, smoking, and years of singing your guts out will do to you. Luckily, we've got years of Eddie solo tours to look forward to, as well as Pearl Jam. I'm not saying I don't enjoy the songs, but Ed's booming vocals are gone.

    I agree 100%.

    I just have soooooo many "cringe-moments" listening to him try to pull off those louder, up-tempo songs.

    I still think he sounds absolutely amazing at times, but those times are very few and far between.

    Remember when he was pulling off the mic when it was clear he couldn't hit or hold a note? That became obvious around '03.
    Now it seems he'll pull off and still simply miss notes over and over.


    Hell, even some non-diehard PJ reviewers have picked up on it.
  • mookmook Posts: 78
    I had no idea that so many people on this board disliked so many things about Eddie's voice.

    His voice is good, the article sucks. That's my opinion.

    Some things should not be over analyzed. Damn!
  • Wolf At BayWolf At Bay Posts: 236
    edited August 2009
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    while eddie is a dynamic and hypnotic frontman, I dont think ed is a chris cornell or robert plant either. I dont think ed think he has much range either. That doesnt mean the music isnt good though
    i don't think cornell's voice is all that good. although I still like soundgarden a whole bunch

    ed has plenty range, much more than most rock singers. his singing style is way different from cornell and plant, but I don't think it would be outrageous to stand eddie up against daltry (who no doubt had more influence on eddie anyway)
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