Townhalls Gone Wild - the DVD

ledvedderman

What Obama is going for is a hybrid health plan. Who else has a hybrid health care plan? The French. What are they ranked worldwide in health care? #1. Seems like a good model to follow.

WaveCameCrashin

inmytree wrote:

and I still contend these folks are idiots who are using intimidation to get their views heard...it's simple mob mentality...if you're ok with that, so be it...I'm not...

But your OK when the left does it. :? I certainly don't justify bad behavior by pointing out other bad behaviour.
Like I said If this were the left they would be screaming about their 1st amendment rights being violated. That is until they disagree.

WaveCameCrashin

ledvedderman wrote:

What Obama is going for is a hybrid health plan. Who else has a hybrid health care plan? The French. What are they ranked worldwide in health care? #1. Seems like a good model to follow.

Hybird ? Please explain.

ledvedderman

prfctlefts wrote:

inmytree wrote:

and I still contend these folks are idiots who are using intimidation to get their views heard...it's simple mob mentality...if you're ok with that, so be it...I'm not...

But your OK when the left does it. :? I certainly don't justify bad behavior by pointing out other bad behaviour.
Like I said If this were the left they would be screaming about their 1st amendment rights being violated. That is until they disagree.

The left doesn't throw around this "love it or leave it" bullshit. We don't have to. Once a Democrat gets in office, the right does the "fuck it, we're leaving", like Gov. Perry in Texas said. We don't throw around "support the President no matter what". If you don't like Obama's plan, write letters/tell your congressman/get involved. Don't go off the deep end spewing shit like he is a Nazi and a Socialist and disrupt the civil process of town hall meetings. There were many on the left who made the Bush/Nazi claim, and that's bullshit too. However, what really chaps my ass is how these Patriotic citizens were rallying around the flag in 2003 telling me to "love it or leave it" and now that they don't like what is going on they all got their panties in a bunch with the bullshit.

inmytree

prfctlefts wrote:

inmytree wrote:

and I still contend these folks are idiots who are using intimidation to get their views heard...it's simple mob mentality...if you're ok with that, so be it...I'm not...

But your OK when the left does it. :? I certainly don't justify bad behavior by pointing out other bad behaviour.
Like I said If this were the left they would be screaming about their 1st amendment rights being violated. That is until they disagree.

I'm not ok when the left does it...

To be honest, the only sort of behavior that is akin to the Town Hall's Gone Wild are the Code Pink ladies...and I don't support there antics either...

So, I assume you're speaking out against the abhorrent behavior of those yelling and screaming at public, townhall events...

I'm glad we agree on something...

g under p

The Last Gasp of the Angry White Man

An Op Ed piece on why so many might be so angry...

What we're seeing in these angry town halls these days is the last gasp of the angry white man. He's not quite sure what he's angry about, but he knows he's angry. It's not the world he used to know. He gets the disquieting feeling that he doesn't rule the roost anymore. And it's driving him crazy.

One of the chants at the town hall events was, "No national healthcare!" Okay, mission accomplished. No one has proposed such a thing. So, I guess they can go home now befuddled at what they were yelling about.

The reality is that what they have been manipulated into arguing against is a public option that would give them more choices, not less in health insurance. It wouldn't nationalize health insurance at all, let alone any part of the rest of the healthcare industry.

Peace

inmytree

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archiv ... 019423.php

GLADNEY THE UNINSURED ACTIVIST.... Over the last few days, a conservative activist in St. Louis named Kenneth Gladney seems to have become something of a cause celebre in far-right circles. Depending on which version of events you choose to believe, Gladney either initiated or was involved in a scuffle at a town-hall event late last week.

At least one prominent conservative blogger said Gladney was "brutally attacked" by SEIU members outside the event. After watching the video, there's ample reason for skepticism. Gladney was, in fact, pulled to the ground during the fracas, but he seemed to bounce back up quickly, and is seen walking around soon after without any obvious injuries. His attorney has argued that Gladney was beaten during the fight, but there's nothing in the clip to support that.

Gladney later went to the hospital, claiming to have sustained injuries to his "knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face."

Yesterday, about 200 conservative activists held a protest outside the SEIU office in St. Louis. Gladney was there -- bandaged and in a wheelchair -- as a featured guest. Some of the activists held signs that read, "Don't Tread on Kenny." Reader R.D. alerted me to this tidbit in the local news account of the protest:

Gladney did not address Saturday's crowd of about 200 people. His attorney, David Brown, however, read a prepared statement Gladney wrote. "A few nights ago there was an assault on my liberty, and on yours, too." Brown read. "This should never happen in this country."

Supporters cheered. Brown finished by telling the crowd that Gladney is accepting donations toward his medical expenses. Gladney told reporters he was recently laid off and has no health insurance. [emphasis added]

Wait, the conservative opponent of health care reform, fighting (literally) to defeat a plan that would bring coverage to those who lose their jobs, lost his coverage because he got laid off?

I'm not in a position to say whether Gladney sustained genuine injuries or whether he's exaggerating for 15 minutes of Fox News fame and a lucrative out-of-court settlement.

Either way, the new right-wing cause celebre needs to take up a collection to pay for his medical bills because he doesn't have health insurance. It's a fascinating sign of the times.

WaveCameCrashin

inmytree wrote:

At least one prominent conservative blogger said Gladney was "brutally attacked" by SEIU members outside the event. After watching the video, there's ample reason for skepticism. Gladney was, in fact, pulled to the ground during the fracas, but he seemed to bounce back up quickly, and is seen walking around soon after without any obvious injuries. His attorney has argued that Gladney was beaten during the fight, but there's nothing in the clip to support that.

Yeah I saw that clip to,and I agree it really didn't look like he got fucked up at all ,but then again it was dark,but then he was on fox like the day after and he lokked fine to me. :?

inmytree wrote:

Yesterday, about 200 conservative activists held a protest outside the SEIU office in St. Louis. Gladney was there -- bandaged and in a wheelchair -- as a featured guest. Some of the activists held signs that read, "Don't Tread on Kenny." Reader R.D. alerted me to this tidbit in the local news account of the protest:

If this guy is faking his injuries, which is what it looks like to me. It will just make things worse for the people who do want to have a civil debate on health care.

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

If this guy is faking his injuries, which is what it looks like to me. It will just make things worse for the people who do want to have a civil debate on health care.

it is completely obvious he is faking his injuries. that is the first rule when civil litigation is pending. try to get the sympathy of the jury and the public. i doubt it will work here because everyone in st louis knows this dude is full of crap.

ledvedderman

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

If this guy is faking his injuries, which is what it looks like to me. It will just make things worse for the people who do want to have a civil debate on health care.

it is completely obvious he is faking his injuries. that is the first rule when civil litigation is pending. try to get the sympathy of the jury and the public. i doubt it will work here because everyone in st louis knows this dude is full of crap.

Yeah. I've seen that guy all over the news in St. Louis and it's crystal clear he is full of shit.

blondieblue227

please don't let obama get shot.
-is what i'm thinking when watching these townhall things

Anon

arthurdent wrote:

g under p wrote:

Believe it or not it's very difficult to be heard when one is screaming at the top of their voice. Settle down and speak rationally, you'll be heard.

Peace

Too bad these folks don't have the capability to speak rationally. :roll:

People get angry when they know they are being ripped off.

gimmesometruth27

JB811 wrote:

People get angry when they know they are being ripped off.

this is just a matter of perception now isn't it. how are people getting ripped off? the legislation has not even been voted on yet. personally i think the insurance companies are the ones ripping everyone off. they make hundreds of millions of dollars in profits while denying coverage of people's medical bills and gladly accepting premiums while denying coverage for basic procedures and dropping those that are too risky to insure.

angry or not it does not give these people a license to show up at a meeting and act like a bunch of damn 2 year olds,

Cosmo

JB811 wrote:

People get angry when they know they are being ripped off.

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And people were angry with the Iraq War. So, that makes that same type of behaviour okay.

Pepe Silvia

prfctlefts wrote:

inmytree wrote:

and I still contend these folks are idiots who are using intimidation to get their views heard...it's simple mob mentality...if you're ok with that, so be it...I'm not...

But your OK when the left does it. :? I certainly don't justify bad behavior by pointing out other bad behaviour.
Like I said If this were the left they would be screaming about their 1st amendment rights being violated. That is until they disagree.

Obama is at least letting them do it! he's not making 'free speech zones' where they have to be miles from the town hall meeting or having to sign a loyalty oath to get into the town hall meetings.

and no, i don't think it would be ok for a liberal to act that way or hold a 'death to george bush' sign or go to a bush rally with a loaded gun strapped to their side holding a sign that said 'it's time to water the tree of liberty' (referring to the jefferson quote) although, that guy thought both major parties were shit other than ron paul

Pepe Silvia

g under p wrote:

The Last Gasp of the Angry White Man

An Op Ed piece on why so many might be so angry...

What we're seeing in these angry town halls these days is the last gasp of the angry white man. He's not quite sure what he's angry about, but he knows he's angry. It's not the world he used to know. He gets the disquieting feeling that he doesn't rule the roost anymore. And it's driving him crazy.

One of the chants at the town hall events was, "No national healthcare!" Okay, mission accomplished. No one has proposed such a thing. So, I guess they can go home now befuddled at what they were yelling about.

The reality is that what they have been manipulated into arguing against is a public option that would give them more choices, not less in health insurance. It wouldn't nationalize health insurance at all, let alone any part of the rest of the healthcare industry.

Peace

they are probably glenn beck fans....i remember a year or so ago he had some guy on explaining how the push to ban trans-fats was getting their socialist/fascist foot in the door and they take little steps to get to their socialist/fascist agendas.....

blondieblue227

Is anybody having a flashback when watching these townhalls?
…during the 60’s the Reps sent in troublemakers to start riots at the Dem conventions/kent state. And remember what happened? People got shot.

Cosmo

The thing is... this is NOT a Republican vs. Democrat (Liberal vs. Conservative) thing.
It IS a behavioural thing. The acting out like an asshole thing. I don't care who it is... these Rush Limbaugh fueled assholes... or ACT-UP Gays assholes at rallys... or Cindy Sheehan Code Pinkers acting like assholes at town hall meetings... it's the 'Acting like assholes' thing that pisses ME off.

blondieblue227

yes, but which side has more assholes?

Cosmo

blondieblue227 wrote:

yes, but which side has more assholes?

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That really doesn't matter. It is not the message, it is the tactic.
Which means that people who are defending the behaviour of these people and their disruptive actions at the Health Care town halls must have also defend the disruptive tactics used by Act-Up during the Gay Marriage debates... or Code Pink shouters at campaign stops during the last presidential election.
If they didn't support the war protestors and gay activists, but defend these Town Hall shouters... they are showing us their true colors as partisan, hypocrite assholes.