will 10c be offering reserved seating??

jrnyc

Jeff Murray wrote:

I'll take reserved seats over GA anyday. Granted the seat won't be sat in, but I like having my guaranteed space. Having to fight to keep your spot from those that believe it is okay to push their way to the front detracts from the show in my opinion.

Also if nature calls, I won't lose my spot.

Exactly !!

I have been GA for non Pearl Jam shows, it is so crowded you can barely lift your arms about your waist and there are always the inconsiderate knuckleheads who behave badly and ruin the experience.

Hinn

jrnyc wrote:

Jeff Murray wrote:

I'll take reserved seats over GA anyday. Granted the seat won't be sat in, but I like having my guaranteed space. Having to fight to keep your spot from those that believe it is okay to push their way to the front detracts from the show in my opinion.

Also if nature calls, I won't lose my spot.

Exactly !!

I have been GA for non Pearl Jam shows, it is so crowded you can barely lift your arms about your waist and there are always the inconsiderate knuckleheads who behave badly and ruin the experience.

That's all fine and well, but with the GA arrangement being set in place (unless Chugg is bullshitting), going for reserved seating at a stadium means taking a pair of binoculars if you want a decent look at what's on stage.

Kilgore_Trout

JaneNY wrote:

I wish people wouldn't be obtuse and just talk about 'who sits' because that's not the point.

after doing lolla and the vic without seats and 3 UC shows with seats i can honestly say i prefer getting there early, rushing up front, and rockin out HARD

but im still a young guy

JaneNY

Kilgore_Trout wrote:

JaneNY wrote:

I wish people wouldn't be obtuse and just talk about 'who sits' because that's not the point.

after doing lolla and the vic without seats and 3 UC shows with seats i can honestly say i prefer getting there early, rushing up front, and rockin out HARD

but im still a young guy

Hahaha love that movie! Yeah I mean if I was big and young maybe, but I'd like to see the playing field more fair ya know? For example, I'm blind without my glasses, so I cannot take a risk of losing them in a pit, and I teach aerobics, so I'm not going to risk injury to my livelihood and injuries happen - a girl was taken out of NIN in Montreal on a backboard and people with broken limbs such as at Rage last year in Lolla (we were there).

So anyway, all the original guy is saying is he hopes there will be a choice of reserved seats for 10C if someone didn't want GA. I'm sure he'll be happy to see PJ either way as we all will be.

Kilgore_Trout

JaneNY wrote:

Hahaha love that movie! Yeah I mean if I was big and young maybe, but I'd like to see the playing field more fair ya know? For example, I'm blind without my glasses, so I cannot take a risk of losing them in a pit, and I teach aerobics, so I'm not going to risk injury to my livelihood and injuries happen - a girl was taken out of NIN in Montreal on a backboard and people with broken limbs such as at Rage last year in Lolla (we were there).

So anyway, all the original guy is saying is he hopes there will be a choice of reserved seats for 10C if someone didn't want GA. I'm sure he'll be happy to see PJ either way as we all will be.

i hear ya... it can get a lil scary sometimes... seems like everyone in the pits are usually looking out for one another if anyone falls - atleast with tight fanbases like NIN's and PJ's... but theres always a handful of meatheads that can ruin it for alot of people... and even in a respectful crowd toes are gonna get crushed, shoes and hats are gonna be lost, and youre gonna be a sweaty, bruised mess by the end

that being said... i cant wait for NIN at the aragon and i hope PJ does some more GA shows in the states sometime soon

teskeinc

been to many GA and reserved. I have enjoyed the reserved shows far more. easier to relax and jam to the show without jackasses acting like fools.

Hinn

Considering these are stadiums, I doubt there's any half decent reserved seats for the 10c to care to fight for an allocation for.

An indoor arena, sure. At these oval-shaped venues? The only seats around that will have a good view is from the crew's side stage area.

LongRoad

I feel like Im walking into a Neil Diamond show when i see seating. No other rock band does this. Imagine seats at a Metallica show, Green Day, Tool, NIN or any other rock n roll gig. Sheesh the day PJ started putting seats down the front is the day they (and some fans) started getting really old.

Drowned Out

Jeff Murray wrote:

I believe I only stated that I prefer reserved seating and gave my reasons why. For the Kings Of Leon show at the Spectrum I had the opportunity for GA tickets, but decided to take good reserved seats.

You want to have a mosh pit and be able to push yourself up to the front with no respect for others, go for it! While we're at it let's hire the Hell's Angels for security too! They got some great references from the Rolling Stones....

Curious, since when does going to a rock concert give anyone the right to act like an idiot? By all means dance around, sing out loud and have fun, but don't ruin it for others.

I quoted you because you were talking about losing your spot. You don't have a spot.

I don't choose to have a mosh pit...the band does by having GA shows. It is what happens at a rock show. .
I could argue that you are obstructing me. If I ask you to get out of my way, will you? You are not entitled to be at the front any more than I am, so if you won't get out of my way, I'll push by.
How is going to the front disrespectful? part of the fun of a pit is looking out for each other, keeping things intense, but SAFE.

And wtf does Altamont have to do with any of this? Just a splash of drama or what? Yes, good security is absolutely essential for a GA show, if there is any fan base that knows this, it is PJ's. What's your point?

Hinn wrote:

Those of us already in the front and centre reserve the right to kick the nuts of people who plough into our backs expecting to get to the front through us.

um, no. You have every right to push back, or try to stop me from getting in front of you. That's part of the game up front. Starting fights is not.

I understand that mosh pits aren't for everyone...I don't always partake. Many times I've chosen to stand a bit further back and just watch the show in peace...you can usually stand at what would be the equivalent of about row 15 and not be bothered....this is still a great spot!
I sure as fuck don't expect to go up front and expect to be left alone. this argument makes no sense to me.

josemonaro

QSAC in Brisbane is a shit stadium for seating. The seats are way back and not that good. If you want to mosh go ahead but I would like to have a seat not to sit down but just so you have the same space to return to. What is the point in getting there early getting front row and then needing a piss just to find on your return you are way back and have no hope of getting up the front again. Good for some who were gifted with height, I am about 173cm tall so seeing over most people is hard. The next option might be that I piss where I stand, at least you are guranteed some room then...........lol.

luke.

i edited the title of this thread cause i dont want to sound negative. and please lets not argue over any of this... and no im not complaining at everything 10 club do for us. i love all they do for us and yes ill be going no matter what so lets keep all the cliche comments about winging and agrue this and that and who is right out of it.
im just showing concern and simply wondering if they're offering reserved seating... lets keep to the topic ...

peace.
ps sorry if the title was a little harsh ... the whole standing up sucks thing that is...

luke

josemonaro

luke. wrote:

i edited the title of this thread cause i dont want to sound negative. and please lets not argue over any of this... and no im not complaining at everything 10 club do for us. i love all they do for us and yes ill be going no matter what so lets keep all the cliche comments about winging and agrue this and that and who is right out of it.
im just showing concern and simply wondering if they're offering reserved seating... lets keep to the topic ...

peace.
ps sorry if the title was a little harsh ... the whole standing up sucks thing that is...

luke

Its all good mate, people go a bit gaga when the jammers are coming its only because they dont tour that often down here and aussie fans are just as die hard as any other we just want the pj experience to be out standing and memorable. Me for one would love a seat near the front, if i dont get one well.........

Jeff Murray

I didn't realize that GA concerts were supposed to be examples of Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection. Those that take the time to line up for a GA show patiently deserve to be up front, not someone that comes in after the opening band and decides to push their way to the front. If people want to play Red Rover go to the playground.

My point regarding Hell's Angels was not for drama. Those involved want anarchy with the pits, a primal release, might as well give it to them. Let them beat the piss out of each other and just hire some knuckleheads to keep them from the band. If they have no regard for others at the show, why should the promoter hire expensive baby sitters to make sure they don't hurt themselves? Oh, that's right because once "Little Johnny" gets disrespected in the pit and tries to start a fight and gets his ass kicked and has to get medical attention he will sue the promoter for not providing a safe venue. There are concerts in which mosh pits are widely accepted and that's fine. I just have a hard time believing Pearl Jam shows are one of them.

Hinn

Drowned Out wrote:

Hinn wrote:

Those of us already in the front and centre reserve the right to kick the nuts of people who plough into our backs expecting to get to the front through us.

um, no. You have every right to push back, or try to stop me from getting in front of you. That's part of the game up front. Starting fights is not.

I understand that mosh pits aren't for everyone...I don't always partake. Many times I've chosen to stand a bit further back and just watch the show in peace...you can usually stand at what would be the equivalent of about row 15 and not be bothered....this is still a great spot!
I sure as fuck don't expect to go up front and expect to be left alone. this argument makes no sense to me.

I say that, but I've never really had to. In my Euro PJ experience, I've generally surrounded myself with top people who look after each other's backs and not let the johnny-come-latelys fuck things up. When that does happen, Pete on the other side of the barrier has a pretty sharp eye and directs the venue security to deal with the idiots if they haven't spotted it already.

Drowned Out

Jeff Murray wrote:

I didn't realize that GA concerts were supposed to be examples of Darwin's Theory of Natural Selection.

Survival of the fittest? hardly. People of all ages and sizes can be found up front. It's not THAT physically demanding, jeez.

Those that take the time to line up for a GA show patiently deserve to be up front, not someone that comes in after the opening band and decides to push their way to the front. If people want to play Red Rover go to the playground.

If everyone followed that logic, it would be a massive stampede to the front when the doors opened. If you want to spend all day in line, rush to the front and stake your claim, knowing full well that it will be overun once the headliner starts, be my guest. I'll be enjoying refreshments with friends at a pre-party.

My point regarding Hell's Angels was not for drama. Those involved want anarchy with the pits, a primal release, might as well give it to them. Let them beat the piss out of each other and just hire some knuckleheads to keep them from the band. If they have no regard for others at the show, why should the promoter hire expensive baby sitters to make sure they don't hurt themselves?

darwin? anarchy? HA for security?....nope, no drama here. you could write for fox.
Generally, people have plenty of regard for each other in a pit. Everyone is having fun and helping those that get into trouble. So in truth, the only disregard you are concerned about is people's disregard for this spot you feel entitled to because you stood in line. sorry, not how it works.

Oh, that's right because once "Little Johnny" gets disrespected in the pit and tries to start a fight and gets his ass kicked and has to get medical attention he will sue the promoter for not providing a safe venue.

what are you on about? no one is condoning or advocating fighting or violence...well...one guy said he'd kick people in the nuts I s'pose....

There are concerts in which mosh pits are widely accepted and that's fine. I just have a hard time believing Pearl Jam shows are one of them.

you're kidding right? I've been to a lot of crazy metal shows, and I can honestly say the most intense pit I've ever been in was at a PJ show. Have you never been to a GA PJ show? or seen footage of one? What is hard to believe about it?

Drowned Out

Hinn wrote:

I say that, but I've never really had to. In my Euro PJ experience, I've generally surrounded myself with top people who look after each other's backs and not let the johnny-come-latelys fuck things up. When that does happen, Pete on the other side of the barrier has a pretty sharp eye and directs the venue security to deal with the idiots if they haven't spotted it already.

sure, fair enough...

Eddie used to talk to the pit often, giving them directions, reminders about playing fair etc...I saw Scott Weiland personally point out a guy to get him booted a long time ago...there is a big difference between slowly working your way thru the pit, and being an asshole and barging thru everyone, elbows up...or else you'd have Pete or Ed or whoever telling security to boot 90% or the people down there.

demetrios

GA standing suck's, in my experience! With everybody pushing & shoving .. and the majority of people not carrying about anybody around them but theirselves, blow's.

Rule 1 (GA's ticket holder's mind) .. even if you make it to the show hour late or hour's early, main goal is to make it to the front of the stage, whatever means possible. Even if it's butting through everybody and not carrying about the fallen woman & child, make it to the front and talk to your friend next to you that you made it up close while butting though everybody.

It doesn't matter if you waited hour's & hour's in line to get a chance to stand up so close or right next to the front rail, you know you for a FACT, you will be coming home with brusies & tossed all around in all directions.

Pegasus

2 things you might want to remember:
1) you don't get pushed and shoved unless you're right upfront. just stay about 15 yards back and on the side and you're fine.
2) Seating has problems too: ie you can't move. If you have tall people in front of you, you can't move and find a better spot. (I hated the Camden 1 show because I had rows after rows of hormone-grown yanks in front which made it impossible to see ANYTHING, even standing on tiptoes.. and I'm 5'5" which is pretty average for a woman). With GA, YOU chose your viewpoint.

Pegasus

Hinn wrote:

Drowned Out wrote:

Hinn wrote:

Those of us already in the front and centre reserve the right to kick the nuts of people who plough into our backs expecting to get to the front through us.

um, no. You have every right to push back, or try to stop me from getting in front of you. That's part of the game up front. Starting fights is not.

I understand that mosh pits aren't for everyone...I don't always partake. Many times I've chosen to stand a bit further back and just watch the show in peace...you can usually stand at what would be the equivalent of about row 15 and not be bothered....this is still a great spot!
I sure as fuck don't expect to go up front and expect to be left alone. this argument makes no sense to me.

I say that, but I've never really had to. In my Euro PJ experience, I've generally surrounded myself with top people who look after each other's backs and not let the johnny-come-latelys fuck things up. When that does happen, Pete on the other side of the barrier has a pretty sharp eye and directs the venue security to deal with the idiots if they haven't spotted it already.

yeah though you didn't do the Italian tour (or Spain).. even getting a 10c queue working was a big fight, but once concert started, there was a lot of fighting off the wankers and security doing jackshit about it.
Northern Europe tends to be more orderly (rough still but not as aggressive).

redrock

Drowned Out wrote:

I don't choose to have a mosh pit...the band does by having GA shows.

Seems to be a lot of confusion between a 'mosh pit' and just a 'pit'. Haven't really seen very much 'moshing' at PJ gigs - we're not talking heavy metal here! Sure, there is movement but moshing???? Not really.