What should be done about sports stars who take steroids?

musicismylife78

while sports can be good, in general my view alligns with this quote from orwell:

Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in witnessing violence: in other words it is war minus the shooting.

sludawg13

DewieCox wrote:

Players of the 70s and 80s were all about amphetamines. The people that gave them to them? Freshly retired players turned coaches like Willie Mays and I'm sure countless others. Players have been cheating since the beginning of sports, it's not gonna stop any time soon. If you got rid of all the cheaters in the various halls of fame you wouldn't have many left. I can't name a whole lotta names, but how bout this for starters...

Willie Mays, George Brett, Mike Schmidt, Ty Cobb, Gaylord Perry

Plus you have the segregation era, rule changes,juiced ball,etcetc


The worst part of it, imo....Players like Ken Griffey Jr, Frank Thomas and Jim Thome who are a bit overlooked with all those bloated numbers people were puttin up. Jim Thome is still damn good and there's never been a sniff a steroids around his name. he keeps climbing the HR list. Griffey was a natural and probably would be closing in on the HR record, if not for the injuries. Thomas was always one of my favorite and he was probably THE best all around hitter of the 90s.

also...

Albert Pujols is becoming the best right handed hitter of all time and it's always debated. It shouldn't be. Watch the guy... He is a cut above. Several of the great old timers(Stan the Man, Ted Williams) have said he has it.


A couple points about Rose...... Bud Sehlig idolize Bart Giamatti so I don't see him helpin get Rose in. Rose gambled on his team to win, but that's still pretty f'in illegal and definitely sacrifices the integrity of the game a ton. I think he shoulda came clean sooner and maybe he coulda been reinstated earlier. I don't think they should extend his eligibility one day.

Totally agree with you on the "good guys", Thomas, Thome, and Griffey. I remember back when they were having the steriod hearings in front of Congress and Thomas remarked on how his two sisters were over 6 feet tall and he didn't need to take steroids to be big.

Pete Rose did break the rules. He bet on his own team. I thought he bet on every game, but he didn't. I was wrong. But, keep in mind, all of this was done when he was a manager. It's a shame that it destroyed what he did as a player. He was one of the best.....

I think what they're doing now about the steroid issue is fair. Give them long suspensions. As far as releasing names a few at a time from the drug tests back in 2003, cut it out. It doesn't help the game get past the steroid problem and tarnishes guys' careers. It wasn't against the rules then, so nothing can be done about it now.

Gary Carter

musicismylife78 wrote:

I think Maris should still hold the record, and should be recognized as such. And Hank Aaron should be the all time home run king not that jerk from San Fran

Maris played 6 more games then ruth did. Take away those 6 gams and maris maybe only hits 55-60 homeruns.

Horos

jimed14 wrote:

sludawg13 wrote:

I don't want to take away from the original topic of this thread. The only reason I brought up Pete Rose is because if someone like Bonds gets in and Rose is still banned from the HOF, how does that make sense?

I don't think Bonds is getting in ... not for a long time.

and for the record, all these guys that did steroids, it wasn't against baseball's rules when they did it ... gambling has ALWAYS been against baseball's rules.

Steroid users have been punished by baseball's rules all along ... blame the rules/system.

Somehow everyone seems to forget that it wasn't against the rules.

jimed14

metsfan wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

I think Maris should still hold the record, and should be recognized as such. And Hank Aaron should be the all time home run king not that jerk from San Fran

Maris played 6 more games then ruth did. Take away those 6 gams and maris maybe only hits 55-60 homeruns.

Ruth played in a segregated league ...

not saying that do defend Maris, Metsfan ... just saying, we can play this game ALL day ...

The record books are silly. They have been for a long time.

Horos

musicismylife78 wrote:

while sports can be good, in general my view alligns with this quote from orwell:

Serious sport has nothing to do with fair play. It is bound up with hatred, jealousy, boastfulness, disregard of all rules and sadistic pleasure in witnessing violence: in other words it is war minus the shooting.

This quote applies to nearly no sports. I imagine Orwell was speaking of Football. Ever play golf, obviously not, the rules are pretty much enforced by the individual.

Gary Carter

jimed14 wrote:

metsfan wrote:

musicismylife78 wrote:

I think Maris should still hold the record, and should be recognized as such. And Hank Aaron should be the all time home run king not that jerk from San Fran

Maris played 6 more games then ruth did. Take away those 6 gams and maris maybe only hits 55-60 homeruns.

Ruth played in a segregated league ...

not saying that do defend Maris, Metsfan ... just saying, we can play this game ALL day ...

The record books are silly. They have been for a long time.

yes you are right that we can play this game all day long and well he we are playing this game. Record books don't mean anything to me either.

g under p

Jose Canseco is looking better and better each day this list continues to trickle out which continues to bring baseball down. Atleast Jose stepped forward to say illegal substances plagues the game years ago.

Please no more books on steriods, PLEASE!

Peace

Kilgore_Trout

let nature take its toll... their junk will shrink, they'll get nasty back-ne, their teeth and hair will fall out

and until then we'll have some much more exciting sports

Wobbie

EVERYONE is to blame here. EVERYONE....the current managers who say they didn't know, the ex-managers (who now work for ESPN) who say they didn't know, the current ballplayers (dirty AND clean) who say they didn't know, the ex-players (dirty and clean, who now work for ESPN) who say they didn't know, the current GM's who say they didn't know, the ex-GM's (who now work for ESPN) who say they didn't know, the sportswriters who say they didn't know, the commissioner who says he didn't know.....

Every-fucking-one is to blame and I still like baseball . Was it Manny who said "I didn't rape nobody and I didn't kill nobody"? More time and money has been spent on Bonds than was ever spent to find out why those U.S. Attorneys really lost their jobs. :evil:

g under p

imalive wrote:

EVERYONE is to blame here. EVERYONE....the current managers who say they didn't know, the ex-managers (who now work for ESPN) who say they didn't know, the current ballplayers (dirty AND clean) who say they didn't know, the ex-players (dirty and clean, who now work for ESPN) who say they didn't know, the current GM's who say they didn't know, the ex-GM's (who now work for ESPN) who say they didn't know, the sportswriters who say they didn't know, the commissioner who says he didn't know.....

Every-fucking-one is to blame and I still like baseball . Was it Manny who said "I didn't rape nobody and I didn't kill nobody"? More time and money has been spent on Bonds than was ever spent to find out why those U.S. Attorneys really lost their jobs. :evil:

Now ain't that some fucked up shit right there.

Peace

Solat13

DewieCox wrote:

Players of the 70s and 80s were all about amphetamines. The people that gave them to them? Freshly retired players turned coaches like Willie Mays and I'm sure countless others. Players have been cheating since the beginning of sports, it's not gonna stop any time soon. If you got rid of all the cheaters in the various halls of fame you wouldn't have many left. I can't name a whole lotta names, but how bout this for starters...

Willie Mays, George Brett, Mike Schmidt, Ty Cobb, Gaylord Perry

Don't forget to put Hank Aaron on the list. He wants to put an * by all the players in this era, but he has admitted to taking amphetamines which so far is all that Bonds has tested positive for.