Ok...sounds like a pretty good idea...I was just thinking: How do you prove where your seat is? For example, you get into the venue, grab a couple beers, head to your seat and then find other people sitting in them. How does this aspect of it work?
I think the idea is you will have a hard ticket as well, not a ticketless system as some might be suggesting, but you can't get into the venue with just a ticket. You'd likely have to 1) scan the ticket, 2) swipe the credit card used to purchase the ticket, and 3) show government ID to prove that the credit card is yours, and therefore, that you were the one who purchased it.
I agree this would make it a hassle to buy someone tickets as gifts, but how many tickets do you give as gifts in which you don't join in?
As far as not being able to use the tickets, instead of selling insurance the supplier should just offer a "re-stocking fee" and the tickets are released to the general public for purchase. Although I could see the companies offering insurance instead so that people over-react and buy it. But again no transfers, that would just open the door for scalpers.
Ticketmaster and Penn State have a Ticket-exchange program for those that cannot use their tickets. My friend gets season tickets and as usual there are some games in which he cannot attend. Using the Ticketmaster option he can sell the tickets for face-value or greater, but he does not get the money, he receives a credit towards his season tickets for the next year.
So maybe that is the answer, only credits towards future purchases?? Scalpers want cold hard cash, not credits. So if you have an unexpected event come up and you can't make the show you bought tickets to you can transfer the tickets to another person, for a fee I'm sure, and the difference is credited to your Ticketmaster account for a future purchase.
Although I just thought of a way I could get around that.... Nope no perfect system.... :oops:
I highly doubt it, too much Green Disease! At the rate greed is going these days everything will be sold at auction to maximize profits! Imagine ticket prices then, only the rich will be able to attend big shows. :evil:
Although there will be one hell of an underground scene.
AC/DC is doing this....I saw them in January and had major concerns about how this would work, but it was great. We walked up to the woman who would normally take your tickets, I handed her my credit card, she swiped it through a scanner on her belt and the tickets shot out in about two seconds....I think it is a great thing
All I have to do is revel in the everyday....then do it again tomorrow
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
Do you think paperless tickets will eventually lead to cheaper ticket prices?
It could, in theory, since some bands say part of the reason their prices are so high is that scalpers would benefit from them being lower.
What bands say that? Sounds like a line of BS to me, the reality is that the HIGHER the ticket price, the LARGER the profits for scalpers.
Think about it: If Pearl Jam charged $40 when the mainstream public was willing to pay $100, scalpers would reap the difference. But if Pearl Jam charged $100 right off the bat, scalpers would have to get significantly more than that to make it worth their time, and they'd have far fewer potential customers at that price.
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made him ... want to be everywhere
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AC/DC is doing this....I saw them in January and had major concerns about how this would work, but it was great. We walked up to the woman who would normally take your tickets, I handed her my credit card, she swiped it through a scanner on her belt and the tickets shot out in about two seconds....I think it is a great thing
Don't get me wrong, when everything goes according to plan this idea is great, but it isn't when there are hiccups. A blanket policy like this will lead to fans being upset just the same as they are for scalpers.
AC/DC is doing this....I saw them in January and had major concerns about how this would work, but it was great. We walked up to the woman who would normally take your tickets, I handed her my credit card, she swiped it through a scanner on her belt and the tickets shot out in about two seconds....I think it is a great thing
Did they match your ID to your credit card? If not, that defeats the purpose. Any Scalper can go and buy prepaid credit cards for the cost of the tickets and sell you the card and tickets. Well, at least any sophisticated scalper.
a) I think people need, at the very least, the option to transfer tickets through the legitimate service they purchased them from. It makes things more complicated, but it's not fair so tell someone "Sorry you had to go out of town for a funeral, but you're still stuck with the tickets."
b) Moreover, what happens if your buddy buys a pair for the two of you and then he needs to leave town? Should you be screwed there too?
This is for the fans...so you have a better chance at obtaining decent seats, get it?
a) If you have a funeral to go to, will the $160 you paid for the tickets ruin your life? You can't pay your rent now? Life Happens. Shit Happens. You take the risk...chances are if your schedule is clear in advance and isn't conflicting with anything at the time of purchase, you'll probably be at the show.
b) That doesn't sound like a buddy to me...don't give him the money until you go to the show then...or find a new buddy.
I mean jesus christ...how pampered do some of you need to be? The paperless ticket system isn't perfect...but we're making progress...that requires a small inconvenience on the fans end.
AC/DC is doing this....I saw them in January and had major concerns about how this would work, but it was great. We walked up to the woman who would normally take your tickets, I handed her my credit card, she swiped it through a scanner on her belt and the tickets shot out in about two seconds....I think it is a great thing
Did they match your ID to your credit card? If not, that defeats the purpose. Any Scalper can go and buy prepaid credit cards for the cost of the tickets and sell you the card and tickets. Well, at least any sophisticated scalper.
Oh yeah..forgot that..I did have to show my drivers license as well. I can't remember the exact details, but my friend's mom bought my friend and her husband tickets for an event and then realized it was paperless after the fact. So, she called and got it worked out somehow...like I said though...I really don't remember exactly what they did
All I have to do is revel in the everyday....then do it again tomorrow
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
AC/DC is doing this....I saw them in January and had major concerns about how this would work, but it was great. We walked up to the woman who would normally take your tickets, I handed her my credit card, she swiped it through a scanner on her belt and the tickets shot out in about two seconds....I think it is a great thing
Did they match your ID to your credit card? If not, that defeats the purpose. Any Scalper can go and buy prepaid credit cards for the cost of the tickets and sell you the card and tickets. Well, at least any sophisticated scalper.
Oh yeah..forgot that..I did have to show my drivers license as well. I can't remember the exact details, but my friend's mom bought my friend and her husband tickets for an event and then realized it was paperless after the fact. So, she called and got it worked out somehow...like I said though...I really don't remember exactly what they did
a) I think people need, at the very least, the option to transfer tickets through the legitimate service they purchased them from. It makes things more complicated, but it's not fair so tell someone "Sorry you had to go out of town for a funeral, but you're still stuck with the tickets."
b) Moreover, what happens if your buddy buys a pair for the two of you and then he needs to leave town? Should you be screwed there too?
This is for the fans...so you have a better chance at obtaining decent seats, get it?
a) If you have a funeral to go to, will the $160 you paid for the tickets ruin your life? You can't pay your rent now? Life Happens. Shit Happens. You take the risk...chances are if your schedule is clear in advance and isn't conflicting with anything at the time of purchase, you'll probably be at the show.
b) That doesn't sound like a buddy to me...don't give him the money until you go to the show then...or find a new buddy.
I mean jesus christ...how pampered do some of you need to be? The paperless ticket system isn't perfect...but we're making progress...that requires a small inconvenience on the fans end.
I think that sometimes you should think about what you type before you write it down. There's no use getting snippy, and everyone here is entitled to their own opinion exactly as much as you are. Believe it or not, there are always going to be people who disagree with you, no matter how intelligent you feel you are.
And I'd appreciate it in the future if you didn't go judging my friends based on things that have happened in their past that prevent them from being able to go to a rock show. You know what? Sometimes LIFE interferes. Having to bail on a show doesn't make you any less of a friend, but if you DO have to, you shouldn't have to disappoint the other people you were meant to go with.
I like the paperless ticket idea. But it needs to be fine tuned. Just blindly saying "this is the new best way" is short sighted, in my opinion. It's the fine print that determines whether policies effective and successful. Maybe if more people listened to other people's points of view rather than attacking them, we'd come up with a great new solution that nobody's thought of yet.
If paperless tickets meant it was harder for scalpers to sell tickets, then it would lead to more tickets TM could sell.
That article I posted I think claimed if more people bought TM tickets, then it would help drive cost down.
But I don’t believe that for a second. TM a capitalistic bastard. IF there was a possibility that they could lower prices because some major change had happened, they wouldn’t. IMO.
*~Pearl Jam will be blasted from speakers until morale improves~*
I think that sometimes you should think about what you type before you write it down. There's no use getting snippy, and everyone here is entitled to their own opinion exactly as much as you are. Believe it or not, there are always going to be people who disagree with you, no matter how intelligent you feel you are.
And I'd appreciate it in the future if you didn't go judging my friends based on things that have happened in their past that prevent them from being able to go to a rock show. You know what? Sometimes LIFE interferes. Having to bail on a show doesn't make you any less of a friend, but if you DO have to, you shouldn't have to disappoint the other people you were meant to go with.
I like the paperless ticket idea. But it needs to be fine tuned. Just blindly saying "this is the new best way" is short sighted, in my opinion. It's the fine print that determines whether policies effective and successful. Maybe if more people listened to other people's points of view rather than attacking them, we'd come up with a great new solution that nobody's thought of yet.
Or we could cuss each other out. Your call.
It's kind of like the health care debate. Sure, it would be nice if every single person in the country had health care, but we can't sign off blindly on the first plan that comes down the pike without considering the unintended consequences.
To me, the unintended consequences of this ticketless plan far outweigh the supposed benefits. In my mind, I don't know why the person who purchases the ticket HAS to be the one that attends. That's dumb, and any system that goes that route is worse than the current system, in my opinion. Frankly, I'm not even sure how that is legal.
On another note, I'd be much more optimistic about Ticketmaster helping to curtail scalping if they weren't basically in the scalping business themselves, with this TicketNow crap or whatever it's called.
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As far as not being able to use the tickets, instead of selling insurance the supplier should just offer a "re-stocking fee" and the tickets are released to the general public for purchase. Although I could see the companies offering insurance instead so that people over-react and buy it. But again no transfers, that would just open the door for scalpers.
Ticketmaster and Penn State have a Ticket-exchange program for those that cannot use their tickets. My friend gets season tickets and as usual there are some games in which he cannot attend. Using the Ticketmaster option he can sell the tickets for face-value or greater, but he does not get the money, he receives a credit towards his season tickets for the next year.
So maybe that is the answer, only credits towards future purchases?? Scalpers want cold hard cash, not credits. So if you have an unexpected event come up and you can't make the show you bought tickets to you can transfer the tickets to another person, for a fee I'm sure, and the difference is credited to your Ticketmaster account for a future purchase.
Although I just thought of a way I could get around that.... Nope no perfect system.... :oops:
recent article about ticket prices:
http://www.ivykennedy.com/trash/RS7.09.htm
It could, in theory, since some bands say part of the reason their prices are so high is that scalpers would benefit from them being lower.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
What bands say that? Sounds like a line of BS to me, the reality is that the HIGHER the ticket price, the LARGER the profits for scalpers.
Although there will be one hell of an underground scene.
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
Think about it: If Pearl Jam charged $40 when the mainstream public was willing to pay $100, scalpers would reap the difference. But if Pearl Jam charged $100 right off the bat, scalpers would have to get significantly more than that to make it worth their time, and they'd have far fewer potential customers at that price.
made him ... want to be everywhere
there's a ... lot to be said for nowhere."
Don't get me wrong, when everything goes according to plan this idea is great, but it isn't when there are hiccups. A blanket policy like this will lead to fans being upset just the same as they are for scalpers.
Did they match your ID to your credit card? If not, that defeats the purpose. Any Scalper can go and buy prepaid credit cards for the cost of the tickets and sell you the card and tickets. Well, at least any sophisticated scalper.
This is for the fans...so you have a better chance at obtaining decent seats, get it?
a) If you have a funeral to go to, will the $160 you paid for the tickets ruin your life? You can't pay your rent now? Life Happens. Shit Happens. You take the risk...chances are if your schedule is clear in advance and isn't conflicting with anything at the time of purchase, you'll probably be at the show.
b) That doesn't sound like a buddy to me...don't give him the money until you go to the show then...or find a new buddy.
I mean jesus christ...how pampered do some of you need to be? The paperless ticket system isn't perfect...but we're making progress...that requires a small inconvenience on the fans end.
They say every sin is deadly but I believe they may be wrong...I'm guilty of all seven and I don't feel too bad at all
Cool, then the system worked!
I think that sometimes you should think about what you type before you write it down. There's no use getting snippy, and everyone here is entitled to their own opinion exactly as much as you are. Believe it or not, there are always going to be people who disagree with you, no matter how intelligent you feel you are.
And I'd appreciate it in the future if you didn't go judging my friends based on things that have happened in their past that prevent them from being able to go to a rock show. You know what? Sometimes LIFE interferes. Having to bail on a show doesn't make you any less of a friend, but if you DO have to, you shouldn't have to disappoint the other people you were meant to go with.
I like the paperless ticket idea. But it needs to be fine tuned. Just blindly saying "this is the new best way" is short sighted, in my opinion. It's the fine print that determines whether policies effective and successful. Maybe if more people listened to other people's points of view rather than attacking them, we'd come up with a great new solution that nobody's thought of yet.
Or we could cuss each other out. Your call.
If paperless tickets meant it was harder for scalpers to sell tickets, then it would lead to more tickets TM could sell.
That article I posted I think claimed if more people bought TM tickets, then it would help drive cost down.
But I don’t believe that for a second. TM a capitalistic bastard. IF there was a possibility that they could lower prices because some major change had happened, they wouldn’t. IMO.
It's kind of like the health care debate. Sure, it would be nice if every single person in the country had health care, but we can't sign off blindly on the first plan that comes down the pike without considering the unintended consequences.
To me, the unintended consequences of this ticketless plan far outweigh the supposed benefits. In my mind, I don't know why the person who purchases the ticket HAS to be the one that attends. That's dumb, and any system that goes that route is worse than the current system, in my opinion. Frankly, I'm not even sure how that is legal.
On another note, I'd be much more optimistic about Ticketmaster helping to curtail scalping if they weren't basically in the scalping business themselves, with this TicketNow crap or whatever it's called.
for the least they could possibly do