Springsteen did it right!

SKELLER

Just bought tickets for the Springsteen concert. I had to agree to the following before I hit submit:

"I understand that the Miley Cyrus tour is a paperless ticketing tour, that I will not receive a physical ticket for entry, and that I am required to bring the credit card I used to buy my ticket and a government-issued ID to the venue, where my credit card will be swiped to gain me and my party access to the event.If I do not have my credit card and government-issued ID in hand at the event, I will not gain access to the event. No exceptions will be made."

Very cool way of stopping scalpers and ticket brookers from getting tickets, jacking up the price, and then selling them to fans who weren't lucky enough to get tickets.

cajunkiwi

Miley Cyrus and Springsteen are touring together?

spearhead

That is so weird, because I Just bought tickets to the Miley Cyrus show and I had to agree to this before I hit the accept button:

"I understand that the Bruce Springsteen tour is a paperless ticketing tour, that I will not receive a physical ticket for entry, and that I am required to bring the credit card I used to buy my ticket and a government-issued ID to the venue, where my credit card will be swiped to gain me and my party access to the event.If I do not have my credit card and government-issued ID in hand at the event, I will not gain access to the event. No exceptions will be made."

SKELLER

cajunkiwi wrote:

Miley Cyrus and Springsteen are touring together?

Saw that too! Anyway.... wouldn't that be something

littlewingfridays

Good idea, a bit onconvenient, but good

thunderDAN

next year, all Cleveland Cavs games are like this I believe

Dollar

From the scalper standpoint....yes. From the consumer standpoint...not so sure...paperless GAs were available until 11:35 today for the 20th,they are still available for the 19th. People have no options when they buy paperless,thus the slowness of sales(also Bruce has reached the saturation point in this area & this is coming from someone who has gone to 150+ Bruce shows!)

Evolver

Wow, this is great, amazing it hasn't been done earlier. Probably just a matter if developing the logistics of the credit card swiping system, but otherwise brilliant! Can you imagine if this concept took off large scale? StubHub and the like would cease to exist! :shock:

And I'll take a bit of inconvenience if it means taking the scalpers out of the equation. Plus I'm sure with time they can develop ways to improve the system for efficiency.

RyGuy

There are several other threads on this exact topic...

Too many issues with this type of ticketing. What if you don't have a credit card and borrow a parent's to get the tickets - how do you get in then? What happens if you buy a ticket and end up having a business commitment that prevents you from going? You can't sell it to a friend at face value?

I'm all for preventing scalper access, but it can't be this sweeping. There are lots of situations where people buy tickets legitimately and are not able to attend - you can't punish them for that.

SKELLER

Evolver wrote:

Wow, this is great, amazing it hasn't been done earlier. Probably just a matter if developing the logistics of the credit card swiping system, but otherwise brilliant! Can you imagine if this concept took off large scale? StubHub and the like would cease to exist! :shock:

And I'll take a bit of inconvenience if it means taking the scalpers out of the equation. Plus I'm sure with time they can develop ways to improve the system for efficiency.

It would never happen because companies like stub hub would start paying artist and sporting teams not to do so. I know some of us (myself included) put certain people on a pedestal when it comes to integrity but the all mighty dollar has a way of know some people off it.

I would be nice to see it happen for a least one of the shows the artist is giving.

qontheboard

AC/DC did the paperless ticket thing, and scalpers still made a killing. They simply met their customers at the Gate swiped the card and then handed over the paper tickets they give you when you enter. Venue staff have to start enforcing new rules otherwise the scalper can still operate within the paperless system.

q

SVRDhand13

I got a paperless ticket to NIN and went searching to see if it stopped scalpers...it didn't. Tickets are going for hundreds and thousands. I feel bad for the people who wanted to but won't get to see NIN on their "final tour".

ManUnited

BustedDownPretext wrote:

There are several other threads on this exact topic...

Too many issues with this type of ticketing. What if you don't have a credit card and borrow a parent's to get the tickets - how do you get in then? What happens if you buy a ticket and end up having a business commitment that prevents you from going? You can't sell it to a friend at face value?

I'm all for preventing scalper access, but it can't be this sweeping. There are lots of situations where people buy tickets legitimately and are not able to attend - you can't punish them for that.

I agree.

With this system you can't even give them away which I have done.

littlewingfridays

True, all good points, ho hum, damn scalpers

dimitrispearljam

great and sweet avatar btw

Ryan_WFC

SVRDhand13 wrote:

I got a paperless ticket to NIN and went searching to see if it stopped scalpers...it didn't. Tickets are going for hundreds and thousands. I feel bad for the people who wanted to but won't get to see NIN on their "final tour".

Same thing happened for the Green Day show in NYC in May -- but there would have been more scalped tickets if they were mailed (or printed at home) as usual.

At least with the ticketless system, the scalper actually has to attend the show and make arrangements to meet the scalpee. That cuts down on much, if not all, of the problem.

ponner1us

My humble opinion is that the only way to "stop" scalpers is for the ticket companies to be forced out of the secondary markets they are in bed with, e.g. Ticketmaster/Ticketsnow, and to start selling their tickets to the fans, instead of holding the primo tickets for the secondary sellers. I don't think anything will "stop" scalping, but it might slow it down.

Evolver

BustedDownPretext wrote:

There are several other threads on this exact topic...

Too many issues with this type of ticketing. What if you don't have a credit card and borrow a parent's to get the tickets - how do you get in then? What happens if you buy a ticket and end up having a business commitment that prevents you from going? You can't sell it to a friend at face value?

I'm all for preventing scalper access, but it can't be this sweeping. There are lots of situations where people buy tickets legitimately and are not able to attend - you can't punish them for that.

Understood, but it's not punishing, its just the rules. And if you think there is ANY reason why you wouldn't be able to make it, just don't buy the tickets. Same is true for a lot of other non-refundable tickets that a person could buy - travel, etc. Perhaps they could charge an additional optional fee, almost like a trip insurance type thing, so that if you think you might not be able to make it, it would allow you at least a partial refund or something. Otherwise without purchasing this "insurance" the risk is yours.

And as far as the "parent's credit card issue", the fact that you don't have a credit card is not the venue's problem, or anyone elses quite frankly. Bottom line, this issue is certainly nowhere near reason enough for them not to do this. The effectiveness and overall impact this would have on eliminating scalpers from the equation FAR outweighs these smaller issues, hands down.

chromiam

Evolver wrote:

BustedDownPretext wrote:

There are several other threads on this exact topic...

Too many issues with this type of ticketing. What if you don't have a credit card and borrow a parent's to get the tickets - how do you get in then? What happens if you buy a ticket and end up having a business commitment that prevents you from going? You can't sell it to a friend at face value?

I'm all for preventing scalper access, but it can't be this sweeping. There are lots of situations where people buy tickets legitimately and are not able to attend - you can't punish them for that.

Understood, but it's not punishing, its just the rules. And if you think there is ANY reason why you wouldn't be able to make it, just don't buy the tickets. Same is true for a lot of other non-refundable tickets that a person could buy - travel, etc. Perhaps they could charge an additional optional fee, almost like a trip insurance type thing, so that if you think you might not be able to make it, it would allow you at least a partial refund or something. Otherwise without purchasing this "insurance" the risk is yours.

And as far as the "parent's credit card issue", the fact that you don't have a credit card is not the venue's problem, or anyone elses quite frankly. Bottom line, this issue is certainly nowhere near reason enough for them not to do this. The effectiveness and overall impact this would have on eliminating scalpers from the equation FAR outweighs these smaller issues, hands down.

The problem is (as mentioned above) this doesn't stop or even limit scalping. If anything, it could, create a rise in prices that are paid to scalpers since the tickets become harder to get and thus more in demand.

And how am I to know what is going on 3 months from now?? When you purchase a ticket to an event 3 months ahead of time, I would hope that you have a fairly good outlook on going. But as that time nears there could be a multitude of reasons why you can't attend and would like to pass the tickets off to someone (a friend, relative, neighbor, hell a total stranger) for free or cost or whatever... but with this system you cannot do that.

EBowie

Ok...sounds like a pretty good idea...I was just thinking: How do you prove where your seat is? For example, you get into the venue, grab a couple beers, head to your seat and then find other people sitting in them. How does this aspect of it work?

benjs

EBowie wrote:

Ok...sounds like a pretty good idea...I was just thinking: How do you prove where your seat is? For example, you get into the venue, grab a couple beers, head to your seat and then find other people sitting in them. How does this aspect of it work?

The way it works is that when you swipe your credit card at the venue, I believe they print out your ticket and you must walk into the venue so you can't try and scalp it outside.