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WaveCameCrashin

We have been repeatedly inundated with comments from washington, D.C., that our Health Care system is broken and needs fixing. This has been a blatant attempt to undermine what is propbably the most effective health care system in the world.
People come from all over the world to train here and frequently stay here to do research and practice. There are two very apparent problems that need attention. A major cause of increased cost in the health-care industry has been the additional administration and overhead that the system has been saddled with since third parties became part of what was a traditionaly a two party system( doctor-Patient)
Since the thied party needed to support themseves and since they are enourmous in size,they add considerable expense to what was an effective system.
The second problem is theneeed for liability reform. Obama has made it clear that liability reform is off the table. To me this is a blatant gift to his favorite special intrest- the trial lawyers,and a lost opportunity to do the one best thing to lower medical care cost in this country.
Some surgeons pay up to $200,000 a year in malpractice cost,and this pales in comparrison to the amount of money spent on needless test ordered by physicians to prevent from being sued.
Our Gov. needs to stop blaming our health care system for all the ails of our economy and our country. We need a committee of knowledgable physicians ,not the AMA which represensts less than 20% of our practicing doctors.Hospital administrators and other professionals need to sit down and help correct some of these problems and not destroy our current health care system.

Robert L.Penning M.D.
Chas, S.C.

Commy

i would rather be sick in Cuba.


best health care in the world? that may be true-provided you can pay for it.

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prfctlefts wrote:

we have been repeatedly inundated with comments from washington, D.C., that our Health Care system is broken and needs fixing. This has been a blatant attempt to undermine what is propbably the most effective health care system in the world.
People come from all over the world to train here and frquently stay here to do research and practice. There are two very apparent problems that need attention. A major cause of increased cost in the health-care industry has been the additional administration and overhead that the system has been saddled with since third parties became part of what was a traditionaly a two party system( doctor-Patient)
Since the thied party needed to support themseves and since they are enourmous in size,they add considerable expense towhat was an effective system.

While I agree with your conclusion that insurance companies add expense to the system, I'd love to hear the basis of your assertion that we are probably the most effective health care system in the world and your ideas on why anyone would want to undermine the current system.

WaveCameCrashin

scb wrote:

While I agree with your conclusion that insurance companies add expense to the system, I'd love to hear the basis of your assertion that we are probably the most effective health care system in the world and your ideas on why anyone would want to undermine the current system.

Are you serious ? I mean really. :?

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prfctlefts wrote:

scb wrote:

While I agree with your conclusion that insurance companies add expense to the system, I'd love to hear the basis of your assertion that we are probably the most effective health care system in the world and your ideas on why anyone would want to undermine the current system.

Are you serious ? I mean really. :?

Uh... yes. Really. :?

g under p

prfctlefts wrote:

We have been repeatedly inundated with comments from washington, D.C., that our Health Care system is broken and needs fixing. This has been a blatant attempt to undermine what is propbably the most effective health care system in the world.
Robert L.Penning M.D.
Chas, S.C.

I work for some multi, multi, multi millionaires and I must say you're correct that in their eyes and pockets we the US has the most effective health care system in the world. However, for the rest of us who can't afford their $7,500 a month in prescriptions alone please explain how it's an effective health care system for the rest of us?

Basically if you have that kind of coins to throw around is fine but what happens in that HCS if you don't?

Peace

wolfbear

I agree with you on the lawyers, I think they are the main problem with medical care in the US. Doctors are either afraid or can't afford the insurance necessary to protect themselves. A client of mine is a doctor and retired early due to malpractice insurance costs. I haven't read where Obama was for the attorneys, have any links?

brandon10

wolfbear wrote:

I agree with you on the lawyers, I think they are the main problem with medical care in the US. Doctors are either afraid or can't afford the insurance necessary to protect themselves. A client of mine is a doctor and retired early due to malpractice insurance costs. I haven't read where Obama was for the attorneys, have any links?

I'm mot an expert. But I rarely hear of malpractice suits here in Canada. I think essentially you would be suing the government? It's interesting to me that this drives up costs so much in the U.S.

I have never had a bad experience with hospitals or doctors here in Canada. I've had some substantial injurys.(hockey)

WaveCameCrashin

g under p wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

We have been repeatedly inundated with comments from washington, D.C., that our Health Care system is broken and needs fixing. This has been a blatant attempt to undermine what is propbably the most effective health care system in the world.
Robert L.Penning M.D.
Chas, S.C.

I work for some multi, multi, multi millionaires and I must say you're correct that in their eyes and pockets we the US has the most effective health care system in the world. However, for the rest of us who can't afford their $7,500 a month in prescriptions alone please explain how it's an effective health care system for the rest of us?

Basically if you have that kind of coins to throw around is fine but what happens in that HCS if you don't?

Peace

I do happen to agree that as far as people cant afford healthcare somthing should be done. I for one think I have pretty good Ins. I pay about $80 a month for medical ,$12 for dental and $3 for vision.
MY co pay is $20 for a doctors visit and as far as perscriptions go I think it's around $4

I couldn't imagine having to pay $7,500 a month in scrips,but isn't there assistance avalible from the drug companies ?

This article I posted is fro the editorial section from my local paper. I thought it was an intesting read from a Doctors point of view.

TriumphantAngel

prfctlefts wrote:

We have been repeatedly inundated with comments from washington, D.C., that our Health Care system is broken and needs fixing. This has been a blatant attempt to undermine what is propbably the most effective health care system in the world.
People come from all over the world to train here and frequently stay here to do research and practice.

Just on these two points, you do have some of the best doctors and facilities in the world, but that's not much good to the 47 million people, who currently cannot afford to use them.

I'm sorry, but your system is far from the most effective health system in the world. Anyone that believes that is delusional. The US health system is the most expensive in the world, and there is plenty of data out there to show that the US consistently underperforms, compared to a large number of other countries.

WaveCameCrashin

TriumphantAngel wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

We have been repeatedly inundated with comments from washington, D.C., that our Health Care system is broken and needs fixing. This has been a blatant attempt to undermine what is propbably the most effective health care system in the world.
People come from all over the world to train here and frequently stay here to do research and practice.

Just on these two points, you do have some of the best doctors and facilities in the world, but that's not much good to the 47 million people, who currently cannot afford to use them.

I'm sorry, but your system is far from the most effective health system in the world. Anyone that believes that is delusional. The US health system is the most expensive in the world, and there is plenty of data out there to show that the US consistently underperforms, compared to a large number of other countries.

with all due respect I will agree with the doc. Over you any day when it comes to healthcare

TriumphantAngel

prfctlefts wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

We have been repeatedly inundated with comments from washington, D.C., that our Health Care system is broken and needs fixing. This has been a blatant attempt to undermine what is propbably the most effective health care system in the world.
People come from all over the world to train here and frequently stay here to do research and practice.

Just on these two points, you do have some of the best doctors and facilities in the world, but that's not much good to the 47 million people, who currently cannot afford to use them.

I'm sorry, but your system is far from the most effective health system in the world. Anyone that believes that is delusional. The US health system is the most expensive in the world, and there is plenty of data out there to show that the US consistently underperforms, compared to a large number of other countries.

with all due respect I will agree with the doc. Over you any day when it comes to healthcare

why, because he's a doctor? read up on the facts i posted. it's all documented.

inmytree

here is response to the good doctor's editorial...

I watched "Sicko" last night (again) and realized that as long as the PROFIT MOTIVE was the overriding force in health care we will never be where we need to be as a country. The only way to ever have a truly universal health care system is to nationalize it. Heath care should be taken over completely by the government. Just as the government runs the police, the schools, and the fire departments they need to run the medical industry. For the ultra rich that can afford the best then there is room for private sector services.

Doctors need to work for the government ($300K a year would be a fair salary) and the whole fee based system we have now needs to be abolished.

One only has to look at the millions being spent (and greedily accepted by corrupt politicians of both parties) by legions of pharma and health care firms to know that our government is completely incapable of doing what needs to done in this area. "Reform" will happen and Obama will get a bill to sign but I really wonder if it will be anything more than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.

Posted by: Richard L. Wolfe | July 28, 2009 at 09:56 AM

A pretty sound response IMO...

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

We have been repeatedly inundated with comments from washington, D.C., that our Health Care system is broken and needs fixing. This has been a blatant attempt to undermine what is propbably the most effective health care system in the world.
People come from all over the world to train here and frequently stay here to do research and practice.

Just on these two points, you do have some of the best doctors and facilities in the world, but that's not much good to the 47 million people, who currently cannot afford to use them.

I'm sorry, but your system is far from the most effective health system in the world. Anyone that believes that is delusional. The US health system is the most expensive in the world, and there is plenty of data out there to show that the US consistently underperforms, compared to a large number of other countries.

with all due respect I will agree with the doc. Over you any day when it comes to healthcare

ok, with all due respect be willfully ignorant then. that is the problem with this country, people do not do their own thinking. i wonder why, that would require research and critical thought. it is much easier to post links to editorials in local newspapers instead of looking for actual research..... :roll:

ledvedderman

prfctlefts wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

We have been repeatedly inundated with comments from washington, D.C., that our Health Care system is broken and needs fixing. This has been a blatant attempt to undermine what is propbably the most effective health care system in the world.
People come from all over the world to train here and frequently stay here to do research and practice.

Just on these two points, you do have some of the best doctors and facilities in the world, but that's not much good to the 47 million people, who currently cannot afford to use them.

I'm sorry, but your system is far from the most effective health system in the world. Anyone that believes that is delusional. The US health system is the most expensive in the world, and there is plenty of data out there to show that the US consistently underperforms, compared to a large number of other countries.

with all due respect I will agree with the doc. Over you any day when it comes to healthcare

People come here for treatment and to study because we have great facilities. Great facilities has nothing to do with health care. Nothing.

Why would you take a doctor's word? Of course he wants to keep charging what he can and make the most money possible. He can afford his own care. Others cannot. So you are willing to listen to the doctor who says the system we have now is the best, but not the people who openly say that their government run system and have never ran into any of the nightmares the right wing is throwing at the idea? That just sounds like only listening to what you WANT to hear.

I have amazing government insurance issued through my job. However, it's crazy to think that I'm still just one accident or illness away from losing everything.

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brandon10 wrote:

wolfbear wrote:

I agree with you on the lawyers, I think they are the main problem with medical care in the US. Doctors are either afraid or can't afford the insurance necessary to protect themselves. A client of mine is a doctor and retired early due to malpractice insurance costs. I haven't read where Obama was for the attorneys, have any links?

I'm mot an expert. But I rarely hear of malpractice suits here in Canada. I think essentially you would be suing the government? It's interesting to me that this drives up costs so much in the U.S.

I have never had a bad experience with hospitals or doctors here in Canada. I've had some substantial injurys.(hockey)

It's my understanding that malpractice suits (or at least payouts) are less in countries with universal healthcare because, in place without it, the primary component of the payout is the cost of future medical expenses. If you have UHC, there is no cost of future medical expenses.

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TriumphantAngel wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

TriumphantAngel wrote:

Just on these two points, you do have some of the best doctors and facilities in the world, but that's not much good to the 47 million people, who currently cannot afford to use them.

I'm sorry, but your system is far from the most effective health system in the world. Anyone that believes that is delusional. The US health system is the most expensive in the world, and there is plenty of data out there to show that the US consistently underperforms, compared to a large number of other countries.

with all due respect I will agree with the doc. Over you any day when it comes to healthcare

why, because he's a doctor? read up on the facts i posted. it's all documented.

Plus, there are many docs who say the same thing you're saying.

weenie

I've known people who live in Canada who wouldn't go to doctors in the US because they were afraid of the US Healthcare system. To say that that US healthcare is the most effective is totally inaccurate - whether the guy is a doctor or not.

Again, if you have the bucks, you can get ANYTHING that is the BEST in THIS country. As they say, money talks and bullshit walks. As to my friends from Canada, they rave about the medical treatment and hospitalization they've received there since they were kids.

We would be LUCKY to have a system half as good as theirs.

brandon10

prfctlefts wrote:

g under p wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

We have been repeatedly inundated with comments from washington, D.C., that our Health Care system is broken and needs fixing. This has been a blatant attempt to undermine what is propbably the most effective health care system in the world.
Robert L.Penning M.D.
Chas, S.C.

I work for some multi, multi, multi millionaires and I must say you're correct that in their eyes and pockets we the US has the most effective health care system in the world. However, for the rest of us who can't afford their $7,500 a month in prescriptions alone please explain how it's an effective health care system for the rest of us?

Basically if you have that kind of coins to throw around is fine but what happens in that HCS if you don't?

Peace

I do happen to agree that as far as people cant afford healthcare somthing should be done. I for one think I have pretty good Ins. I pay about $80 a month for medical ,$12 for dental and $3 for vision.
MY co pay is $20 for a doctors visit and as far as perscriptions go I think it's around $4

I couldn't imagine having to pay $7,500 a month in scrips,but isn't there assistance avalible from the drug companies ?

This article I posted is fro the editorial section from my local paper. I thought it was an intesting read from a Doctors point of view.

That's insane!!!! So you pay almost a $100 a month and then you have to pay $20 for a doctors visit???

I pay nothing a month. And I walk into a doctors office and guess what I pay??? Nothing.(Canada)

And like I said earlier, I've always recieved wonderfull treatment. You Americans need to wake up.

WaveCameCrashin

weenie wrote:

I've known people who live in Canada who wouldn't go to doctors in the US because they were afraid of the US Healthcare system. To say that that US healthcare is the most effective is totally inaccurate - whether the guy is a doctor or not.

Again, if you have the bucks, you can get ANYTHING that is the BEST in THIS country. As they say, money talks and bullshit walks. As to my friends from Canada, they rave about the medical treatment and hospitalization they've received there since they were kids.

We would be LUCKY to have a system half as good as theirs.

Well the next time you get sick or need an operation why don't you go their since it's so much better.

WaveCameCrashin

brandon10 wrote:

That's insane!!!! So you pay almost a $100 a month and then you have to pay $20 for a doctors visit???

I pay nothing a month. And I walk into a doctors office and guess what I pay??? Nothing.(Canada)

And like I said earlier, I've always recieved wonderfull treatment. You Americans need to wake up.

I think you're the one who needs to wake up. It's not free :roll: You pay for it one way or another, you just think it's free because you don't see the money coming out of your pocket.