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We have been repeatedly inundated with comments from washington, D.C., that our Health Care system is broken and needs fixing. This has been a blatant attempt to undermine what is propbably the most effective health care system in the world.
People come from all over the world to train here and frequently stay here to do research and practice. There are two very apparent problems that need attention. A major cause of increased cost in the health-care industry has been the additional administration and overhead that the system has been saddled with since third parties became part of what was a traditionaly a two party system( doctor-Patient)
Since the thied party needed to support themseves and since they are enourmous in size,they add considerable expense to what was an effective system.
The second problem is theneeed for liability reform. Obama has made it clear that liability reform is off the table. To me this is a blatant gift to his favorite special intrest- the trial lawyers,and a lost opportunity to do the one best thing to lower medical care cost in this country.
Some surgeons pay up to $200,000 a year in malpractice cost,and this pales in comparrison to the amount of money spent on needless test ordered by physicians to prevent from being sued.
Our Gov. needs to stop blaming our health care system for all the ails of our economy and our country. We need a committee of knowledgable physicians ,not the AMA which represensts less than 20% of our practicing doctors.Hospital administrators and other professionals need to sit down and help correct some of these problems and not destroy our current health care system.
Robert L.Penning M.D.
Chas, S.C.
People come from all over the world to train here and frequently stay here to do research and practice. There are two very apparent problems that need attention. A major cause of increased cost in the health-care industry has been the additional administration and overhead that the system has been saddled with since third parties became part of what was a traditionaly a two party system( doctor-Patient)
Since the thied party needed to support themseves and since they are enourmous in size,they add considerable expense to what was an effective system.
The second problem is theneeed for liability reform. Obama has made it clear that liability reform is off the table. To me this is a blatant gift to his favorite special intrest- the trial lawyers,and a lost opportunity to do the one best thing to lower medical care cost in this country.
Some surgeons pay up to $200,000 a year in malpractice cost,and this pales in comparrison to the amount of money spent on needless test ordered by physicians to prevent from being sued.
Our Gov. needs to stop blaming our health care system for all the ails of our economy and our country. We need a committee of knowledgable physicians ,not the AMA which represensts less than 20% of our practicing doctors.Hospital administrators and other professionals need to sit down and help correct some of these problems and not destroy our current health care system.
Robert L.Penning M.D.
Chas, S.C.
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best health care in the world? that may be true-provided you can pay for it.
While I agree with your conclusion that insurance companies add expense to the system, I'd love to hear the basis of your assertion that we are probably the most effective health care system in the world and your ideas on why anyone would want to undermine the current system.
Are you serious ? I mean really. :?
Uh... yes. Really. :?
I work for some multi, multi, multi millionaires and I must say you're correct that in their eyes and pockets we the US has the most effective health care system in the world. However, for the rest of us who can't afford their $7,500 a month in prescriptions alone please explain how it's an effective health care system for the rest of us?
Basically if you have that kind of coins to throw around is fine but what happens in that HCS if you don't?
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I'm mot an expert. But I rarely hear of malpractice suits here in Canada. I think essentially you would be suing the government? It's interesting to me that this drives up costs so much in the U.S.
I have never had a bad experience with hospitals or doctors here in Canada. I've had some substantial injurys.(hockey)
I do happen to agree that as far as people cant afford healthcare somthing should be done. I for one think I have pretty good Ins. I pay about $80 a month for medical ,$12 for dental and $3 for vision.
MY co pay is $20 for a doctors visit and as far as perscriptions go I think it's around $4
I couldn't imagine having to pay $7,500 a month in scrips,but isn't there assistance avalible from the drug companies ?
This article I posted is fro the editorial section from my local paper. I thought it was an intesting read from a Doctors point of view.
I'm sorry, but your system is far from the most effective health system in the world. Anyone that believes that is delusional. The US health system is the most expensive in the world, and there is plenty of data out there to show that the US consistently underperforms, compared to a large number of other countries.
with all due respect I will agree with the doc. Over you any day when it comes to healthcare
I watched "Sicko" last night (again) and realized that as long as the PROFIT MOTIVE was the overriding force in health care we will never be where we need to be as a country. The only way to ever have a truly universal health care system is to nationalize it. Heath care should be taken over completely by the government. Just as the government runs the police, the schools, and the fire departments they need to run the medical industry. For the ultra rich that can afford the best then there is room for private sector services.
Doctors need to work for the government ($300K a year would be a fair salary) and the whole fee based system we have now needs to be abolished.
One only has to look at the millions being spent (and greedily accepted by corrupt politicians of both parties) by legions of pharma and health care firms to know that our government is completely incapable of doing what needs to done in this area. "Reform" will happen and Obama will get a bill to sign but I really wonder if it will be anything more than rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Posted by: Richard L. Wolfe | July 28, 2009 at 09:56 AM
A pretty sound response IMO...
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
People come here for treatment and to study because we have great facilities. Great facilities has nothing to do with health care. Nothing.
Why would you take a doctor's word? Of course he wants to keep charging what he can and make the most money possible. He can afford his own care. Others cannot. So you are willing to listen to the doctor who says the system we have now is the best, but not the people who openly say that their government run system and have never ran into any of the nightmares the right wing is throwing at the idea? That just sounds like only listening to what you WANT to hear.
I have amazing government insurance issued through my job. However, it's crazy to think that I'm still just one accident or illness away from losing everything.
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It's my understanding that malpractice suits (or at least payouts) are less in countries with universal healthcare because, in place without it, the primary component of the payout is the cost of future medical expenses. If you have UHC, there is no cost of future medical expenses.
Plus, there are many docs who say the same thing you're saying.
Again, if you have the bucks, you can get ANYTHING that is the BEST in THIS country. As they say, money talks and bullshit walks. As to my friends from Canada, they rave about the medical treatment and hospitalization they've received there since they were kids.
We would be LUCKY to have a system half as good as theirs.
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I pay nothing a month. And I walk into a doctors office and guess what I pay??? Nothing.(Canada)
And like I said earlier, I've always recieved wonderfull treatment. You Americans need to wake up.
I think you're the one who needs to wake up. It's not free :roll: You pay for it one way or another, you just think it's free because you don't see the money coming out of your pocket.
HAHA ok. I'm not sure why I try to help you out. You are clearly too proud to accept it. What I pay in taxes pales in comparison to your costs. I truly felt deeply sorry for you when you posted what you pay in premiums. And then you have to pay for a doctors visit after that?!?! That's sick!!!!!
Help me out how ? By laughing at what I pay for ins.That's cheap compared to what my mom pays Im not even going to tell you what she pays cos it's ridiculous and she's in great shape for her age and doesn't smoke or drink. Look I think it's great if you get good healthcare .it may be free for you but somebody is footin the bill.
It's one thing If you can't work and you get free health care but , it's another if you can work and you're just looking for a hand out. To me that's wrong
I could be wrong (probably am) but aren't Canada's taxes cheaper than ours in the US? I think the income tax is much lower...yet somehow they still manage an amazing health care system.
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We "foot the bill" as a nation. It comes out of our taxes. During elections here the campaigns revolve around who will keep heathcare running the smoothest and who will keep crime down. There is no middle man. So it costs far less. Your system is fucked!!!! And everyone around the world realizes it but you. Because super rich insurance companies pay for marketing to scare you into believing you have great heathcare. YOU DON'T.
I could be wrong (probably am) but aren't Canada's taxes cheaper than ours in the US? I think the income tax is much lower...yet somehow they still manage an amazing health care system.[/quote]
I'm not sure if they are cheaper. I think they are fairly similar. Although we don't pay taxes on lottery winnings. I have never understood that? You win a million dollars on a game show or at a casino and the Gov gets half? Seems wrong.
But we're paying private insurance premiums, etc. AND paying through taxes. We spend more PUBLIC money on healthcare per capita than any other country. Brandon's right to point out that we're getting robbed.
Here's one example for you:
There are 33 countries with a lower maternal mortality ratio AND a higher lifetime risk of maternal death than the U.S., according to 2005 WHO/UNICEF/UNFPA/The World Bank estimates of maternal mortality. Our maternal mortality is higher than the average of all industrialized nations.
I could be wrong (probably am) but aren't Canada's taxes cheaper than ours in the US? I think the income tax is much lower...yet somehow they still manage an amazing health care system.[/quote]
I'm not sure if they are cheaper. I think they are fairly similar. Although we don't pay taxes on lottery winnings. I have never understood that? You win a million dollars on a game show or at a casino and the Gov gets half? Seems wrong.[/quote]
Im with you on the lotto, it's total B.S. my cuz won $100,000 and only got to keep like $60,000 and some change