Cliff Lee to the Phillies
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Looks like Philly may have a shoe in to October now.
As long as its not the loser Cubs!
As long as its not the loser Cubs!
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Good for Philly, Lee will be a good lefty in the rotation. BTW, why do Philly people think the world revolves around them to the point where they feel the need to blather about Cliff Lee being traded to them on a totally random forum?
I wonder if the Phillies were worried about the future in 1984 as well.
It's Halladay. Doc he is not, but a Cy Young winner he surely is - take the Negadelphia deep. This is a great trade....as long as Doc doesn't go anywhere.
I was hoping they would get Halladay
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I totally agree - a bit disappointed in this. Why not give up 2 minor leaguers and our 4th starter for Halladay? Lee is good but he is not Halladay.
At least the phillies are going after top quality guys at the trade deadline... remember the days when they would sign Turk Wendell? Doug Glanville ? oh , and the best was ugeth urbina ......didnt he kidnap his family? he sure didnt help us .....
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Philly Spectrum 2009 x4 - We closed that MFER Down Proper
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East Rutherford, New Jersey- 2006
Chicago - Lollapalooza 2007
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EV Solo- DC x2, Baltimore x2 , Newark NJ x2, Tower Theater x2
- Given To Fly
The last thing I wanna hear is bitching right now. You have go to be out of your mind to be bitching right now. Bitch if Doc actually gets traded to someone who could hurt us, until then, no bitching and embrace one Clifton Phifer Lee.
sorry hard not to bitch when I feel the Amaro gave up a legitimate chance at a DYNASTY because he didn't want to give up a minor league pitcher with one surgery already on his elbow, an outfielder in A ball and our 4th starter. Nothing against Cliff Lee but he is not Halladay. Cliff Lee will help but doesn't ensure our appearance in the World Series like I think Halladay would have.
and to the other guy, Ugueth Urbina threw gasoline on and took a machete to landscapers who he thought was stealing from him. he is still in a Venzuelan prison.
ED WADE SIGNS UGETH URBINA
RUBEN AMARO GOES AND GETS CLIFF LEE, AND WAS IN THE HALLADAY RUNNING .....
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Camden 2000, 2003, 2006, 2008, 2022, 2023
Philly Spectrum 2009 x4 - We closed that MFER Down Proper
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Boston - Fenway 2016 (night 2) , 2024 (night1)
East Rutherford, New Jersey- 2006
Chicago - Lollapalooza 2007
Seattle- Gorge 2005
EV Solo- DC x2, Baltimore x2 , Newark NJ x2, Tower Theater x2
- Given To Fly
Uh, he didn't sign Urbina. He traded for him. And a year and a half before he traded for him, he was the closer when the Marlins won the World Series in 2003. He traded Ramon Martinez the horrible middle infielder and Polance for him because the Phils needed relief help and to open up 2nd base for Utley. It really wasn't that bad of a deal.
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No, it wasn't. Ugee was a decent setup man/closer. I can't believe people are killing Ruben right now. The man goes out and gets Ibanez at a steal, gets Cliff Lee for a steal, and all the while keeping the heart of the player development's infatuations intact. Someone says they don't have a chance at becoming a dynasty with Lee? You gotta be kidding me. If anything, it keeps the chance of a dynasty going far past 2010. I feel like I'm listening to WIP right now.
past 2010? Lee was quoted in the ESPN.com story that he will test free agency after 2010 - unless you are buying into the Kyle Drabek is Roger Clemens over-hype. Fact is Halladay is a better pitcher and the Phils would be better with him than Cliff Lee. Don't get me wrong, I like Lee and he will help this team but it's kind of like going to a Green Day/U2, etc. show instead of a Pearl Jam show - one is good but it is not the best you can do for relatively the same price.
You kept Happ. You have a rotation of Hamels, Lee, Blanton, Happ, and Moyer with Pedro in the wings. You also have Myers, who may come back in the pen and who knows to the rotation pass this season if they look for some kind of moderate contract. You kept Drabek, and Brown who are in the top 25 of prospects right now. As well you kept Taylor. Pass 2010 there is no guarantee of keeping Lee OR Halladay ,if he was here. There is more flexibility of salary by getting Lee and keeping all of these highly touted prospects. Say what you want about how prospects are prospects, blah blah blah. The fact that you got a top 10 pitcher while keeping those prospects projects you better past 2010 as opposed to trading all these guys and being left with possibly nothing if Halladay walked after 2010. It a fucking great steal, and does nothing to hamper their October run. If anything, it improves it. And these weren't in the relative same price when Lee is more cost effective than Halladay.
Past 2010 your rotation could be Hamels, Happ, Drabek, ?, ? instead of after 2010 and Halladay walks of Hamels, ?, ?, ?, ?. I like the odds of the first part better. I'm going by what I DO have, instead of hoping of what I MIGHT have.
Past 2010 your rotation could be Hamels, Happ, Drabek, ?, ? instead of after 2010 and Halladay walks of Hamels, ?, ?, ?, ?. I like the odds of the first part better. I'm going but I DO have, instead of hoping of what I MIGHT have.[/quote]
so it is automatic that Drabek will be in the rotation and effective after 2010? Again he has already had one surgery and no minor league pithcer is a sure thing (see Bucholz from the Red Sox) and Happ is going to be better than a number 3 starter? I don't understand that logic at all. The only guarantee in any of this was that Halladay is the better pitcher NOW and would help this team more NOW and next year. Too many variables can go into how this team will be in 2011 so the best move was doing what was best for NOW because they have a legitamate chance of winning and 2nd and 3rd straight world Series - and if you think Lee is better for that than Halladay well then I don't know what to say. I just think Amaro has played it safe when taking a chance could have left this team with a legitamate chance of being a dynasty like no Philadelphia team has been in our lifetime (the only one close would be the '73-75 Flyers). Yes the Phils can still win this year but their chances could have been a lot higher. With Lee they are only marginally better than the Dodgers. With Halladay no one was touching this team in the NL in my opinion.
The point is the Phillies are better team NOW than they were yesterday, and better than they were last year.
And here's som food for thought...
http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/phi ... dians.html
Asked in Seattle whether he felt the Blue Jays dodged a bullet by the Phillies acquiring Lee instead of Halladay, Toronto manager Cito Gaston noted that some of Philadelphia's top prospects were still available and said with a chuckle, "Yeah, I guess. Who knows? They may come back and get (Halladay), too. That'd be a pretty good staff there, wouldn't it?"
Yes no doubt they are better today than yesterday - that we can agree on. I'm sure once I get through the initial disappointment of not getting Halladay I will like this trade more and more.
and if Amaro did also trade for Halladay I'd most likely have a stroke from being so surprised and happy.
Like Rico over at 700level said - "It's like test driving Ferrari's for two weeks, and then getting a Porsche. It's still a fucking porsche!" Every just needs to Donna Summers.
now that's a great quote
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I love how everyone thinks THEY have the inside scoop......lol
If Pedro replaces Happ in that rotation, I will write a strongly worded letter to Ruben Amaro Jr,
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with brett myers coming out of the pen.
but who am I to say ? ( EV MSG 03 , LOL )
Philly- 2005, 2013, 2016, 2024
Camden 2000, 2003, 2006, 2008, 2022, 2023
Philly Spectrum 2009 x4 - We closed that MFER Down Proper
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Boston - Fenway 2016 (night 2) , 2024 (night1)
East Rutherford, New Jersey- 2006
Chicago - Lollapalooza 2007
Seattle- Gorge 2005
EV Solo- DC x2, Baltimore x2 , Newark NJ x2, Tower Theater x2
- Given To Fly
Uh, You have Hamels, Lee and Blanton
Then you have Moyer, Pedro and Happ.
Out of the last three only one can come out of the bullpen.
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Yeah, and it's not going to be Moyer or Pedro. Plus, you have Happ under control for another 5 years - let 'em bitch. Anyway, they need bullpen help, and no matter how you slice it up the different variations here will be good in the 'pen.