This is how it should be...

Rossum20

chromiam wrote:

These are not stipulations for fan club tickets, these are for Comcasttix or TM or Live Nation or any other ticket agency who want to enact them. So what are the options then for seeing a show and making sure that you and/or your friends are not shut out due to an unforseen life event??

Scalpers will find a way to buy tickets and resell them as long as there are people willing to pay whatever the market will allow for a ticket to a show

I see...I thought it was for Bruce's fan club...but I'm not understanding how anyone scalp if they are forced to swipe a credit card and immediately enter?

Snoopy Died For Our Sins

chromiam wrote:

Snoopy Died For Our Sins wrote:

I do not physically have credit cards, but I DO have three credit cards registered with Ticketmaster...I use said credit cards only for show/event tickets and use my credit cards for nothing else...I do this to keep from blowing money that I may or may not really have to spend...for everything else I use my debit card...the only time I run into issues is at will-call when they ask for my ID and the original CC I made the purchase with, when I explain it to the ticket agent, they usually don't give me a hard time...your government issues ID should be enough, I think.....

You need the CC which was used to purchase tickets since it will be swiped at the gate so that you are allowed entry. No CC, no entry.

I get it, but I guess I just didn't relaize it was getting so out of hand...simply putting your name and address on the ticket itself should do the job..but I get what you're saying.....

chromiam

Rossum20 wrote:

chromiam wrote:

These are not stipulations for fan club tickets, these are for Comcasttix or TM or Live Nation or any other ticket agency who want to enact them. So what are the options then for seeing a show and making sure that you and/or your friends are not shut out due to an unforseen life event??

Scalpers will find a way to buy tickets and resell them as long as there are people willing to pay whatever the market will allow for a ticket to a show

I see...I thought it was for Bruce's fan club...but I'm not understanding how anyone scalp if they are forced to swipe a credit card and immediately enter?

Easy enough... buy up to the 4 ticket limit, and then sell 3 of the tickets. The 4th ticket is redeemed by the cardholder who easily recouped the cost of their time and expenses for being at the show. Not a perfect situation for the scalper but still very doable even with multiple sets of tickets under multiple names. The problem is the amount of money people are willing to pay scaplers in order to see a show.

helplessdancer

i'm a fan of this method for CERTAIN sections of the venue

it works!

i got 12th row floors to see acdc this way...50000people there and im in the 12th row! all because of paperless tickets.

flyinwhole313

There are some problems with this method- My mother in law is taking my daughter to see Miley Cyrus in November, There was an AMEX presale and her fiancee has an American Express card, he is not going to the show, yet he has to drive 40 minutes to get the tickets for them the day of...THAT sucks. I am SURE that they are not the only ones who have this problem.

Rossum20

chromiam wrote:

Rossum20 wrote:

Easy enough... buy up to the 4 ticket limit, and then sell 3 of the tickets. The 4th ticket is redeemed by the cardholder who easily recouped the cost of their time and expenses for being at the show. Not a perfect situation for the scalper but still very doable even with multiple sets of tickets under multiple names. The problem is the amount of money people are willing to pay scaplers in order to see a show.

The amount of money that people are willing to pay to scalpers is the problem? Come on! I agree the price of some of these tickets getting scalped is ridiculous, but you're telling me if you were making 6 figures a year, you would never considering paying top dollar to see PJ up close, at least once? When people get desperate and really want to see a show, they are going to pay...it isn't their "problem"...they are trying to find a solution to see a show they otherwise might not be able to see and with no regulation of ticket sales, the scalpers thrive...the ones buying the tickets are hardly the root of the problem.

This argument of "if no one buys from the scalpers, the scalpers can't survive"...is totally ridiculous!! Of course that statement is true in a literal sense, but it doesn't deal with reality whatsoever!

Either scalping needs to be deemed illegal AND enforced...or there has to be an alternative solution..which a lot of ideas have been tried by various bands and it seems to be a relative success.


I was under the impression when you picked up your tickets (1 or 4) all the people in your party must be present and enter together...is that not the case?

Get_Right

4Powers20 wrote:

instead of all this crap, how about our elected officials make a law to combat scalpers. Why should I as a consumer have to jump thru hoops just to go to an event?? Why make our lives difficult?? How about making scaplers lives difficult by making their shady business illegal??

EXACTLY how I feel
not only make a law, but enforce it! :!: :!:
but its clear that most states have decided that this is not a priority
if fact, most states dont really care-and truthfully, our society has much bigger problems

Rossum20

flyinwhole313 wrote:

There are some problems with this method- My mother in law is taking my daughter to see Miley Cyrus in November, There was an AMEX presale and her fiancee has an American Express card, he is not going to the show, yet he has to drive 40 minutes to get the tickets for them the day of...THAT sucks. I am SURE that they are not the only ones who have this problem.

that does suck...but how often is her daughter going to a Miley Cyrus concert? Once a year? A 40 minute drive...is it really that bad? I don't ever recall getting incredibly annoyed taking my friends or family to the airport, for example, (a 1 hour drive) when I wasn't going on vacation with them. Most people who buy tickets are the ones who go to the shows...Miley Cyrus concerts there is probably more of a mix...but shouldn't most parents be going to these concerts with their 12-14 year old daughters? I think most probably do.

They aren't making these rules for the band/venue's benefit...they are doing it for the fans...and to try and combat scalpers...that might mean for small inconveniences on all our parts, but it means in the end, the fans win and not the scalpers.

Purex37

I'm all for paperless tickets. I just got some for the final NIN shows here in Chicago. Anything that makes life more difficult for the scalpers and resell companies is good in my opinion. There are very few drawbacks (no true ticket stub, the buyer HAS to go) but the positives definitely out number them. Reminds me of the good old days where you would camp out at a TM outlet or venue with the die hard fans to get seats. Fuck the concept of the highest bidder being the biggest fan. I think paperless tickets put a higher percentage of hardcore fans in the building.

I'm not comparing them to 10C or other direct from the band sales... Those still rock.

Ok

This threat touches a nerve with me - a number of people have posted that they don't like how Springsteen's system works - I think that's crazy.

If you don't mind being shut out of concerts because scalpers have secured high numbers of prime tickets, and then let them go un-sold if they don't sell for thousands, then yeah, let's stick with the current system.

To those who have said that they don't like comitting to buying a ticket months in advance and then having no options - what is the difference between this and buying an airplane ticket? if you're not planning to go to the show, then DON'T BUY A TICKET!

Again - I am totally a supporter of having a PORTION of the tickets sold this way, say 50% of the venue, with a high percentage of the prime seats using this approach.

I just don't understand why people don't realize they could be paying face value for tickets, rather than putting money into some re-sellers pocket (not the artist's) and with less availability then they would otherwise have. Maybe I'm just crazy.

helplessdancer

Purex37 wrote:

I'm all for paperless tickets....

...Fuck the concept of the highest bidder being the biggest fan. I think paperless tickets put a higher percentage of hardcore fans in the building.

spot on

certainly ALL up close tickets should be paperless

Pegasus

Ok wrote:

To those who have said that they don't like comitting to buying a ticket months in advance and then having no options - what is the difference between this and buying an airplane ticket? if you're not planning to go to the show, then DON'T BUY A TICKET!

the difference is that although you might end up paying more (but not always), the plane will almost never sell out so you CAN wait much closer to the time. Plus even with non-flexible fares, you can change your flight for a fee.

For many shows (here at least), if you didn't buy within the 5 minutes they went on sale, you're screwed.

using the paperless but having a refund policy is an easy and sensible solution.

An even better one, as suggested, is having a secondary name (designated at purchase time and will need to bring the card, so can't be scalped) for backup. So even if the card holder can't make it for whatever reason, it's not wasted.

another good policy would be for each gig to have a guaranteed portion of tickets (of all kind) on sale on the day. That would also fuck with the scalpers to some extend since people who missed out on the initial sale would wait for that.

lukins fridge

i am all for taking down the scalpers in any way possible. if it means i blew a few hundred dollars on a show i couldn't go to one time, so be it.

at the very least, i think this should be done for the GOOD seats. if you get floor seats to see bruce, you're NOT missing that for any circumstances, lets be real...save a death in the family or serious emergency.

a couple people in this thread have mentioned taking down the scalpers...the problem nowadays is not scalpers at the venue. they were never too much of a harm anyway. it's the ticket agents and stubhub, ticketsnow and all these other online resellers. make no mistake about it, these are ticket scalping web sites. and they are legal. citizens bank park (phillies) has a friggin stub hub window at the venue. right where the will call windows are. its beyond my comprehension how this is not looked at as scalping in the digital age.

you can literally join all the fan clubs (u2, bruce, pj, metallica), read up on the best ways to get tickets from livenation and ticketmaster (phone and web), play the game with stub hub/ticketsnow/local ticket brokers/guys at the venue, and resell these tickets as a full time job. i'm positive if done correctly you can make a living off of this...and that is what happens...and this is WRONG and if it can be stopped it has to happen. it is not fair that fans get priced out.

one more point - stub hub, etc sell themselves as a site where fans can sell tickets to other fans :roll: what a bunch of BS. i sold modest mouse tickets on stub hub one time. i bought 4 but only had 1 other taker so i sold 2. for exactly what they cost me so i could break even. they sold in about a minute. i kid you not...so i guarantee that a SCALPER bought the tickets and put them right back up there at double the cost or whatever they were going for. another way of playing the game and making money.

it must stop!