That sounds like a good plan. As a parent, I understand your dilemna. They are tearing down the Mellon Arena here soon and this was where I saw my first concert in 1972 and many hockey games over the years. Now its the wait for the announcement and tix.
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i don't know about you guys but my city only allows trick or treating for 2 hours...pretty sure it's like that everywhere now...
Where do you live... Iraq?
Kids trick or treat all afternoon and into the evening here in my part of NJ.
It's the same here in MA, usually from 6-8pm.
I completely understand other parents' dilemma though if you have young children Fortunately for us (not at the time but speaking in the present tense...pardon the pun ), we had a Michael Meyers incident a few years back and ours hasn't Trick or Treated ever since (we live in a neighborhood that goes all out for Halloween, it's like a competition around here for who can scare the crap out of the most kids as possible). He's 14 this year so it would be his last ToT, but I know he wouldn't go out anyway because of that fatefull night back in '04. So I'm definitely all for a Halloween show
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My son is 13 and will be at the show with me on the 30th and hopefully the 31st. He saw his first show last yr and 2 EV solos this year. He is totally hooked and would bag Xmas to see them. He knows their catalog better than me. Really fun to share the experience with him still - too soon he'll be going on his own.
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"What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal." Albert Pine.
My son is 13 and will be at the show with me on the 30th and hopefully the 31st. He saw his first show last yr and 2 EV solos this year. He is totally hooked and would bag Xmas to see them. He knows their catalog better than me. Really fun to share the experience with him still - too soon he'll be going on his own.
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This thread kinda makes me sad.......its not about wether or not your kids will remember YOU taking them trick or treating. Its about YOU remembering taking them when they are little. You already have tix for the two other shows. I love the band just as much as the next person, but get some priority in your life. Your kids will only be young once and if you worry about catching the show after trick or treating your going to be looking at your watch hurrying them from house to house and not enjoying the experience of being with the one thing that matters most, your family.
Yes, it's a very selfish half wish but only to absolve myself of fatherly guilt. I've already got tickets to the 10/28 and 10/30 shows. I have a two year old daughter and a two month old son and I will feel like the world's worst father when I have to bail on trick or treating to treat myself to what would likely be a concert of a lifetime. It's tough being like a moth drawn to the Pearl Jam flame, but I'd have to dig myself out of a serious hole if I can't be there for the kiddies to attend a 3rd show. I'd be stoked if they added another show, but the selfish father in me hopes its 10/29 (but the fan in me would go ape sh#t for a Halloween show!!). I'm so torn, even though it's still all speculation. Any parents out there feeling my pain?
Father of a 4-year old here. I thought I was the only one that felt the same way. I sucks because if they do have a show on the 31st I'll be getting tix, but my wife won't be able to go because of trick or treating. In fact, since were coming from out of town, she likely won't be able to go to the show on the 30th that we have tix for, either.
i havent slept well in days...part of it is the anxiety of a hopefully announced 10c pre sale for a 3rd spectrum show and part of it for the guilt i am feeling of possibly missing taking my boys door to door, for candy
i havent slept well in days...part of it is the anxiety of a hopefully announced 10c pre sale for a 3rd spectrum show and part of it for the guilt i am feeling of possibly missing taking my boys door to door, for candy
Don't wanna pass judgement and everyone is free to live as they please, but my sense of logic says that if a concert is making you lose sleep and question your family obligations, a little personal re-evaluation is in order. Whatever anyone decides is their business, I just hope no one regrets their decisions down the line.
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A 2 year old isn't going to pay much attention to Halloween. The 2 month old goes without saying. I wouldn't worry about it. When they're 4 and 6 you can feel guilty but not at this age.
Whether 2 years old or 2 months, your kids are your priority. How can you even question that? You're already doing two shows.....
Wow pretty judgemental. How many kids do you have and how old are they? I'm speaking from experience as someone who has already mothered children of those ages and knows what children of those ages' abilities and interests are. Put your effort where it counts. Not everyone cares about Halloween, and if someone doesn't do Halloween things with a toddler who's not even going to know what it is and and infant who still sleeps most of the day, they aren't a bad parent.
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My boy is four and I cant think of a better way to spend the evening than taking him out not sure about trick or treating, but there are parties he will attend.
The little guy already has his samurai outfit -so no 10/31 show for me, but I hope those that got shut out of the other shows get one or two more
There will be more shows, its a rock concert. You are not supposed to feel stressed about it. Its supposed to be fun remember? If you can go, go. If you feel any regret or guilt with respect to your kids dont go. Really thats all there is to it. Pearl jam will play philly again-and you can take that to the bank.
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This thread kinda makes me sad.......its not about wether or not your kids will remember YOU taking them trick or treating. Its about YOU remembering taking them when they are little. You already have tix for the two other shows. I love the band just as much as the next person, but get some priority in your life. Your kids will only be young once and if you worry about catching the show after trick or treating your going to be looking at your watch hurrying them from house to house and not enjoying the experience of being with the one thing that matters most, your family.
I think this is a little unfair. I am taking my kids with me to the shows, because they were at Mansfield 1 with me last year, pounding on the seats during "Betterman" and screaming their heads off, and generally having a great time. In fact, that was the most fun we had had as a family in years, perhaps ever. Some people go to Disneyland for a good time -- we hate that scene, so we will go see PJ instead, after going to the zoo earlier in the day. I don't think we will go to a 10/31 show if there is one, but if we do go we all will be in costume.
Given the way that adults have taken over Halloween as it is, I think the OP's musings are legitimate.
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If there is a Halloween show (which I hope there is not) I can tell you right now, I would much rather be taking my daughter out to visit friends/family for her first Halloween all dressed up then standing beside I guy dressed in a cow suit or some idiot with flashing devil horns on...Pearl Jam is Peal Jam but with a show the night before (the 30th) I have no problem passing on tickets for the 31st if it means I can spend that day/evening with my daughter.
This thread kinda makes me sad.......its not about wether or not your kids will remember YOU taking them trick or treating. Its about YOU remembering taking them when they are little. You already have tix for the two other shows. I love the band just as much as the next person, but get some priority in your life. Your kids will only be young once and if you worry about catching the show after trick or treating your going to be looking at your watch hurrying them from house to house and not enjoying the experience of being with the one thing that matters most, your family.
I think this is a little unfair. I am taking my kids with me to the shows, because they were at Mansfield 1 with me last year, pounding on the seats during "Betterman" and screaming their heads off, and generally having a great time. In fact, that was the most fun we had had as a family in years, perhaps ever. Some people go to Disneyland for a good time -- we hate that scene, so we will go see PJ instead, after going to the zoo earlier in the day. I don't think we will go to a 10/31 show if there is one, but if we do go we all will be in costume.
Given the way that adults have taken over Halloween as it is, I think the OP's musings are legitimate.
Thats great that you and your family make a day out of a PJ show and spend it together, but thats not what the OP's dilemma was. He/She was on the fence on wether or not to spend time with his young kids trick or treating or to go see a band for the third time in 4 or 5 days WITHOUT his family. Big difference.
Actually his dilemma was also passing up the opportunity to see the final show at the Spectrum. Those of you who aren't local to Philly are just thinking of this as another Peal Jam concert of which there will hopefully be many more. That's just fine; I wouldn't expect you to think anything else. But the OP and I, as well as many other locals, understand that it is much more than just another Pearl Jam concert; it is the last event in a beloved stadium that we grew up going to events in, and that is why we don't want to miss it, even if it's on Halloween.
How many kids do you have and how old are they? I'm speaking from experience as someone who has already mothered children of those ages and knows what children of those ages' abilities and interests are. Put your effort where it counts. Not everyone cares about Halloween, and if someone doesn't do Halloween things with a toddler who's not even going to know what it is and and infant who still sleeps most of the day, they aren't a bad parent.
Been there, done that (kid wise). Speaking from experience as well. My daughter remembers her second birthday and other big events when she was very young. It would seem the OP DOES celebrate Halloween as he has this dilemma. The kid doesn't need to know the ins and outs of what Halloween is, why it's celebrated, etc. He/she will just love dressing up and going around knocking on doors and getting candy like most kids of the neighbourhood (don't tell me that's not true!). Also, as someone mentioned here, it's also for the parents - what they DIDN'T do with their kid. Thinking.. wow.. I went to see a PJ gig (albeit the last one at the venue) and I chose that over going trick or treating with little Billy (or whatever name) for the first time (granted, the infant will not remember). This is not just choosing a gig over a celebration with a 2 year old. It could be deciding to go fishing instead of celebrating a 2nd birthday or being taken to their first party, etc. (because, after all, he/she won't remember). This is where we are wrong... kids do remember.
Never said the OP was a bad parent... just need to look at priorities. Personally, I think a little one takes priority but hey... maybe that's just me and my way of parenting.
Also, as someone mentioned here, it's also for the parents - what they DIDN'T do with their kid. Thinking.. wow.. I went to see a PJ gig (albeit the last one at the venue) and I chose that over going trick or treating with little Billy (or whatever name) for the first time (granted, the infant will not remember). This is not just choosing a gig over a celebration with a 2 year old. It could be deciding to go fishing instead of celebrating a 2nd birthday or being taken to their first party, etc. (because, after all, he/she won't remember). This is where we are wrong... kids do remember.
Never said the OP was a bad parent... just need to look at priorities. Personally, I think a little one takes priority but hey... maybe that's just me and my way of parenting.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. To me, its one Halloween. There's the year when they're 3, and 4, and 5.... But I guess I"m coming at it that Halloween wasn't ever big deal in my family, so I look at it differently than you for *this particular holiday*. This is one day. To me what's important is what you do with your kids and how much you spend time with them every single day, not just one day that external factors (including Hallmark, costume and candy companies) deem worthy of spending time with your kids on. IMO if you are there for your children the rest of the time, missing a Halloween when they are 2 really isn't that significant. But as I said, we can agree to disagree.
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Well I'm not a parent, but I don't want a Halloween show because I got fanclub tickets to 10/28 and 10/30 and I think that'll be more than enough fun for me. I'd rather they make some dates in the south or middle of country so more fans could have some fun.
Well I'm not a parent, but I don't want a Halloween show because I got fanclub tickets to 10/28 and 10/30 and I think that'll be more than enough fun for me. I'd rather they make some dates in the south or middle of country so more fans could have some fun.
Spread the Jam!!!
I would have been really tempted for Philly, but I'm already flying to Chicago for 2. That should be enough for me.
Have a party.. on Sunday... HALLOWEEN WEEKEND! (I mean... if it's such a major holiday ... certainly it can be made EXTRA SPECIAL this year!!!)
Have a party... at your house... invite all kinds of kids... and relatives... to see them in their costumes.... play games... listen to scary music ... give out candy and have a blast. Two days of Halloween fun and festivities!!
Well I'm not a parent, but I don't want a Halloween show because I got fanclub tickets to 10/28 and 10/30 and I think that'll be more than enough fun for me. I'd rather they make some dates in the south or middle of country so more fans could have some fun.
well aren't you nice!
that said, i too am not a parent, i truly feel for parents with this 'dilemma'...but what a damn fine dilemma it is if we actually get it! obviously, depending on your children's ages, how important - or not, halloween is for your family, etc....all come into play. personally, i don't think it's any sin to skip out on the trick o' treating as long as one parent is involved. i know both my parents never took us out, just one....but i am old and times have changed. that said, for the very young...i don't think it's a big deal at all....for the much older kiddies, you simply luck out ...and for those inbetween ages....yea......you should be there for it!
however, as much asi feel for the parental crowds....umm.....please do not be wishing away a show a GREAt many of us would LOVE to have simply b/c of your family. i get it, i truly do...but LOTs of us would truly ADORE the addition of a halloween show! i honestly couldn't care less that it's halloween - tho i would imagine it will add an extra fun element to the show - i just like that it's a rare SATURDAY gig, fits with my one friday show, and sure....last show at the venue adds another special element.
here's to hoping for a halloween gig!
*and as far as other shows in other areas....an additional show in philly 10.31, i highly doubt would affect that one way or another....so i'll still hope for it.
as long as one parent is involved. i know both my parents never took us out, just one....
exactly... and having been a stay at home mom for the past three halloweens... and watched who brings kids trick or treating... 80% (or more) are brought by one parent!
I think it will be a special treat for my guy to get to go with Daddy this year! Mommy? Ahhh... who needs her... this year it is a special bonding day with DAD!
And then we can have a party on Sunday!!
(glad im not guilty... at all.... should this show actually ever materialize!!!)
I think a lot of people are missing the point that there is already a "final show" announced and it's on the 30th.
Everyone keeps saying "ohh, the 31st will be the last show at the Spectrum ever!". Why don't we just leave the 30th as the last show and move on...
given that it is not up to us ....that may well be the case.
however, for some of us...a lot of us....an extra shot at another pj show is awesome, it being a saturday night, even better! so yea.....i will continue to hope for a show on the 31st!
obviouslu, if 10.30 ends up being *it*....so be it.....it WILL be special as the last show, but either way i will be happy to get in one 2 show for 2009, so all good.....but if i can add in another show, 2 nights of live pj on a weekend....FANTASTIC! so yea, i believe i am not alone in that thinking and wishing there...
I think a lot of people are missing the point that there is already a "final show" announced and it's on the 30th.
Everyone keeps saying "ohh, the 31st will be the last show at the Spectrum ever!". Why don't we just leave the 30th as the last show and move on...
Because the press release from Comcast said that Pearl Jam would be the "final" band to play the Spectrum with dates of Oct. 28th and 30th. They never said that the 30th would be the final show.
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"What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal." Albert Pine.
It's the same here in MA, usually from 6-8pm.
I completely understand other parents' dilemma though if you have young children Fortunately for us (not at the time but speaking in the present tense...pardon the pun
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"What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal." Albert Pine.
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Father of a 4-year old here. I thought I was the only one that felt the same way. I sucks because if they do have a show on the 31st I'll be getting tix, but my wife won't be able to go because of trick or treating. In fact, since were coming from out of town, she likely won't be able to go to the show on the 30th that we have tix for, either.
Don't wanna pass judgement and everyone is free to live as they please, but my sense of logic says that if a concert is making you lose sleep and question your family obligations, a little personal re-evaluation is in order. Whatever anyone decides is their business, I just hope no one regrets their decisions down the line.
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2009- Toronto, Philly III+IV
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Wow pretty judgemental. How many kids do you have and how old are they? I'm speaking from experience as someone who has already mothered children of those ages and knows what children of those ages' abilities and interests are. Put your effort where it counts. Not everyone cares about Halloween, and if someone doesn't do Halloween things with a toddler who's not even going to know what it is and and infant who still sleeps most of the day, they aren't a bad parent.
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The little guy already has his samurai outfit -so no 10/31 show for me, but I hope those that got shut out of the other shows get one or two more
There will be more shows, its a rock concert. You are not supposed to feel stressed about it. Its supposed to be fun remember? If you can go, go. If you feel any regret or guilt with respect to your kids dont go. Really thats all there is to it. Pearl jam will play philly again-and you can take that to the bank.
I think this is a little unfair. I am taking my kids with me to the shows, because they were at Mansfield 1 with me last year, pounding on the seats during "Betterman" and screaming their heads off, and generally having a great time. In fact, that was the most fun we had had as a family in years, perhaps ever. Some people go to Disneyland for a good time -- we hate that scene, so we will go see PJ instead, after going to the zoo earlier in the day.
Given the way that adults have taken over Halloween as it is, I think the OP's musings are legitimate.
Thats great that you and your family make a day out of a PJ show and spend it together, but thats not what the OP's dilemma was. He/She was on the fence on wether or not to spend time with his young kids trick or treating or to go see a band for the third time in 4 or 5 days WITHOUT his family. Big difference.
Been there, done that (kid wise). Speaking from experience as well. My daughter remembers her second birthday and other big events when she was very young. It would seem the OP DOES celebrate Halloween as he has this dilemma. The kid doesn't need to know the ins and outs of what Halloween is, why it's celebrated, etc. He/she will just love dressing up and going around knocking on doors and getting candy like most kids of the neighbourhood (don't tell me that's not true!). Also, as someone mentioned here, it's also for the parents - what they DIDN'T do with their kid. Thinking.. wow.. I went to see a PJ gig (albeit the last one at the venue) and I chose that over going trick or treating with little Billy (or whatever name) for the first time (granted, the infant will not remember). This is not just choosing a gig over a celebration with a 2 year old. It could be deciding to go fishing instead of celebrating a 2nd birthday or being taken to their first party, etc. (because, after all, he/she won't remember). This is where we are wrong... kids do remember.
Never said the OP was a bad parent... just need to look at priorities. Personally, I think a little one takes priority but hey... maybe that's just me and my way of parenting.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this. To me, its one Halloween. There's the year when they're 3, and 4, and 5.... But I guess I"m coming at it that Halloween wasn't ever big deal in my family, so I look at it differently than you for *this particular holiday*. This is one day. To me what's important is what you do with your kids and how much you spend time with them every single day, not just one day that external factors (including Hallmark, costume and candy companies) deem worthy of spending time with your kids on. IMO if you are there for your children the rest of the time, missing a Halloween when they are 2 really isn't that significant. But as I said, we can agree to disagree.
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Obviously not a parent. As a parent myself, I know exactly where you're coming from.
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Spread the Jam!!!
I would have been really tempted for Philly, but I'm already flying to Chicago for 2. That should be enough for me.
Here's the answer.
Have a party.. on Sunday... HALLOWEEN WEEKEND! (I mean... if it's such a major holiday ... certainly it can be made EXTRA SPECIAL this year!!!)
Have a party... at your house... invite all kinds of kids... and relatives... to see them in their costumes.... play games... listen to scary music ... give out candy and have a blast. Two days of Halloween fun and festivities!!
IN MY BOOK... DILEMMA SOLVED!
well aren't you nice!
that said, i too am not a parent, i truly feel for parents with this 'dilemma'...but what a damn fine dilemma it is if we actually get it! obviously, depending on your children's ages, how important - or not, halloween is for your family, etc....all come into play. personally, i don't think it's any sin to skip out on the trick o' treating as long as one parent is involved. i know both my parents never took us out, just one....but i am old and times have changed.
however, as much asi feel for the parental crowds....umm.....please do not be wishing away a show a GREAt many of us would LOVE to have simply b/c of your family. i get it, i truly do...but LOTs of us would truly ADORE the addition of a halloween show! i honestly couldn't care less that it's halloween - tho i would imagine it will add an extra fun element to the show - i just like that it's a rare SATURDAY gig, fits with my one friday show, and sure....last show at the venue adds another special element.
here's to hoping for a halloween gig!
*and as far as other shows in other areas....an additional show in philly 10.31, i highly doubt would affect that one way or another....so i'll still hope for it.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
exactly... and having been a stay at home mom for the past three halloweens... and watched who brings kids trick or treating... 80% (or more) are brought by one parent!
I think it will be a special treat for my guy to get to go with Daddy this year! Mommy? Ahhh... who needs her... this year it is a special bonding day with DAD!
And then we can have a party on Sunday!!
(glad im not guilty... at all.... should this show actually ever materialize!!!)
Everyone keeps saying "ohh, the 31st will be the last show at the Spectrum ever!". Why don't we just leave the 30th as the last show and move on...
given that it is not up to us
however, for some of us...a lot of us....an extra shot at another pj show is awesome, it being a saturday night, even better! so yea.....i will continue to hope for a show on the 31st!
obviouslu, if 10.30 ends up being *it*....so be it.....it WILL be special as the last show, but either way i will be happy to get in one 2 show for 2009, so all good.....but if i can add in another show, 2 nights of live pj on a weekend....FANTASTIC! so yea, i believe i am not alone in that thinking and wishing there...
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Because the press release from Comcast said that Pearl Jam would be the "final" band to play the Spectrum with dates of Oct. 28th and 30th. They never said that the 30th would be the final show.
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