Henry Louis Gates Jr

Indifference

I hope they release the 911 tape and radio tranmissions to get to the bottom of this. Other things to consider:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaki ... cused.html

http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/enterta ... e_off.html

And I have heard there had been a rash of break ins near by including that very house a week before.

Then Mr. President - nice job!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eL42H_-0y8

jlew24asu

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

sounds like a little more than a "dipshit professor at Harvard" you make it sounds like he is an associate professor at some community college. that said, he is an esteemed professor and intellectual at one of the best universities in this country. not just another black dude causing a problems and blaming the cracker cop. none of us were there, and many times police reports are fudged so who is to say everything in the report is factual? the cops have the benefit of the state being on their side so they are more credible in the eyes of most courtrooms.what should he have done gotten a gun and taken care of it that way? i would have been irate if it were me in that situation.

I know his bio. fuck him. he is nothing more then a dipshit professor at Harvard. there was a call put in about someone breaking into a home. the cop was just doing his job, not racial profiling.

gimmesometruth27

jlew24asu wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

sounds like a little more than a "dipshit professor at Harvard" you make it sounds like he is an associate professor at some community college. that said, he is an esteemed professor and intellectual at one of the best universities in this country. not just another black dude causing a problems and blaming the cracker cop. none of us were there, and many times police reports are fudged so who is to say everything in the report is factual? the cops have the benefit of the state being on their side so they are more credible in the eyes of most courtrooms.what should he have done gotten a gun and taken care of it that way? i would have been irate if it were me in that situation.

I know his bio. fuck him. he is nothing more then a dipshit professor at Harvard. there was a call put in about someone breaking into a home. the cop was just doing his job, not racial profiling.

of course you know. you were there.

TriumphantAngel

tybird wrote:

He was in his house when the policeman arrived....I suspect that this neighbor could be a troublemaker.

I agree. Sounds like a Joe Horn wannabe minus the gun...

Staceb10

Just because a black man is well-educated doesn't mean they think a white cop isn't racially profiling and just because a white cop arrests a black man doesn't mean he's racially profiling. I am inclined to think that this Gates guy got pissed off and started his racial rant, wouldn't show ID and created his own problems. You can't tell me that if the officer had shown up and he asked him for his ID and Gates said, sure officer no problem and gave it to him that this would have ever happened.

g under p

The other day I somehow locked myself out of my house due to my storm door. My backup house keys in the yard did not have the storm door keys to unlock my storm door. I faced having to call a locksmith with my dinner cooking on the stove.

Anyway if a cop came up at the time I was trying to break in my house I would've showed him my ID if he asked. However it was locked up inside the house, the only thing I would've been able to show him was my car registration which showed the house address I was trying to get into.

This just appears to me this guy Gates had a bit of arrogance in him and just didn't want to be fucked with by the police. This doesn't make it right by allowing the situation to get inflamed and escalate. If this situation was truly a breakin of sort I'm sure he would want the intruder to show some ID like I would've if someone was breaking into my house.

This coming from a person that has on several occasions been pulled over for DWB.

Peace

Indifference

More from Howie:

http://www.bostonherald.com/news/column ... mmentsArea

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g under p wrote:

DWB.

My personal opinion, if I take both stories with equal grains of salt, is that this whole incident is more about the male ego - on both sides - than anything. Both of them should have been adult enought to just let it go once it was proven that no crime was being committed. But instead they just each had to get the last word. I don't think the cop had the right to use his badge to support his ego though.

inmytree

I love this story...folks are mad about Obama...folks think that black guy overreacted in his own home, thus leading to his arrest...yet not too many folks wonder if the cop overreacted...hmmmmm....

there are two sides to every story, but for me, there is no reason the police should have arrested this man...he showed his ID and he was in his own home...yeah, yeah, he raised his voice...I guess the should have tasered the f'r for raising his voice...

JR8805

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

I have read the story and wonder why would the President of the United States of America even comment on something that he did not have the facts about. I understand Mr. Gates was upset that police came into his house, but it was not like the police did not recieve a call first. The neighbor called and reported two men were breaking into the house. The police responded and went in and asked the Mr. Gates(unknown at the time) who he was and to present ID. He became baligerant. I for one would hope the police would not take the mans word that it was his house but rather show ID. Police work is a hard job and mistake can be made, but that does not give Mr. Gates the right to verbally abuse this police officer who was trying to do his job.

It didn't sound to me like Gates was verbally abusing anyone. He asked a question, something like, "Is this how Black men are treated in America?" And he wasn't wrong to ask it. Here he was, a well-dressed elderly Black man using a cane who showed he was in his own home. It's hard to imagine the police arresting a well-dressed, elderly white man walking with a cane under similar circumstances. I am a wimp; I'd be afraid of what police might do to me if I said anything. Gates is not the submissive wimp I am. Personally, I admire him for standing up for himself.

JR8805

scb wrote:

Once Gates provided proof that it was his home, it should have all been over. Being pissed for being accused of breaking into your own home is not a crime and, by my estimation, is understandable.

The interview with Gates that I read said several other police did arrive at some point. The photo I saw of him being led off in handcuffs did have a black officer in it. But just because a black officer arrived later for back-up or whatever doesn't mean there wasn't racial profiling.

I didn't see Obama's speech, but it's my understanding that he was simply answering a question, no?

I've seen much about this in the news since before yesterday.

And on top of it, Gates is an actual friend of Obama. When I hear my friends have had something disturbing happen to them, I tend to empathize with them and want to defend them. You're there for them, but generally the fact that you say to other people that so-and-so is a jerk is not nationally publicized, and then every person in America who is in the same profession as the guy you just called a jerk doesn't claim you insulted each and every one of them and then proceeds to call you a disgrace who needs to apologize for calling ONE guy a jerk. Which he pretty much was, in my opinion.

Dirtie_Frank

JR8805 wrote:

scb wrote:

Once Gates provided proof that it was his home, it should have all been over. Being pissed for being accused of breaking into your own home is not a crime and, by my estimation, is understandable.

The interview with Gates that I read said several other police did arrive at some point. The photo I saw of him being led off in handcuffs did have a black officer in it. But just because a black officer arrived later for back-up or whatever doesn't mean there wasn't racial profiling.

I didn't see Obama's speech, but it's my understanding that he was simply answering a question, no?

I've seen much about this in the news since before yesterday.

And on top of it, Gates is an actual friend of Obama. When I hear my friends have had something disturbing happen to them, I tend to empathize with them and want to defend them. You're there for them, but generally the fact that you say to other people that so-and-so is a jerk is not nationally publicized, and then every person in America who is in the same profession as the guy you just called a jerk doesn't claim you insulted each and every one of them and then proceeds to call you a disgrace who needs to apologize for calling ONE guy a jerk. Which he pretty much was, in my opinion.

So what if gates is a friend of Obama. That does not give Gates the right to disrespect a police officer who was responding to a call from 911. Like I said before it is not like the police officer followed Gates home and demanded he show his ID for going into the house. There was an attepted break in earlier that week and the police asked him to show ID. There was nothing wrong with that.

inmytree

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

So what if gates is a friend of Obama. That does not give Gates the right to disrespect a police officer who was responding to a call from 911. Like I said before it is not like the police officer followed Gates home and demanded he show his ID for going into the house. There was an attepted break in earlier that week and the police asked him to show ID. There was nothing wrong with that.

oh, now it's a crime to "disrespect" the police...interesting...

the man was in his home, he proved it was home, at that point case solved...time for the police to move on...

Dirtie_Frank

inmytree wrote:

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

So what if gates is a friend of Obama. That does not give Gates the right to disrespect a police officer who was responding to a call from 911. Like I said before it is not like the police officer followed Gates home and demanded he show his ID for going into the house. There was an attepted break in earlier that week and the police asked him to show ID. There was nothing wrong with that.

oh, now it's a crime to "disrespect" the police...interesting...

the man was in his home, he proved it was home, at that point case solved...time for the police to move on...

Do you think the police officer was giving Gates a hard time because he was black?

inmytree

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

inmytree wrote:

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

So what if gates is a friend of Obama. That does not give Gates the right to disrespect a police officer who was responding to a call from 911. Like I said before it is not like the police officer followed Gates home and demanded he show his ID for going into the house. There was an attepted break in earlier that week and the police asked him to show ID. There was nothing wrong with that.

oh, now it's a crime to "disrespect" the police...interesting...

the man was in his home, he proved it was home, at that point case solved...time for the police to move on...

Do you think the police officer was giving Gates a hard time because he was black?

who knows...? do you...?

I repeat:

oh, now it's a crime to "disrespect" the police...interesting...

the man was in his home, he proved it was home, at that point case solved...time for the police to move on...

Dirtie_Frank

[/quote]

Do you think the police officer was giving Gates a hard time because he was black?[/quote]

who knows...? do you...?

I repeat:

oh, now it's a crime to "disrespect" the police...interesting...

the man was in his home, he proved it was home, at that point case solved...time for the police to move on...[/quote]

You are right the cased was solved until Gates came out of his house and started verbally abusing the police officer doing his job. Like I said it is not like the guy followed him home and said is that your house let me see your id. He responded to a 911 call of a break in. That so happens the same house had an attempted break in earlier that week. maybe Gates should have thanked the police officer for checking up on his house. and left it at that rather than accusing him of being a racist.

inmytree

Dirtie_Frank wrote:

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You are right the cased was solved until Gates came out of his house and started verbally abusing the police officer doing his job. Like I said it is not like the guy followed him home and said is that your house let me see your id. He responded to a 911 call of a break in. That so happens the same house had an attempted break in earlier that week. maybe Gates should have thanked the police officer for checking up on his house. and left it at that rather than accusing him of being a racist.

and maybe the police could have left after they solved the case...I take it you think it's ok for the police to arrest someone for yelling, on their own property...

listen, I'm not saying Gates acted perfectly...what I am saying is the police took it too far...he was yelling...bfd...if he had a weapon, if he attempted to assualt an officer, I say arrest his ass, but he was just yelling...

brandon10

jlew24asu wrote:

mookeywrench wrote:

agreed

If someone is fumbling with a door trying to get into a locked house, and they refuse to show the cop their ID, what would you want the cop to do?

The cop is supposed to apprehend suspected criminals, and the suspects are innocent till proven guilty. This is exactly what happened.

agree also. I cant believe this story is getting so much coverage. there was no racial profiling at all. not only was he fumbling with a locked door, a fucking call came in saying someone was trying to break into a home. for fuckssake. it was a simple misunderstanding. yet this is national news because he is some (GASP!!!! black) dipshit professor at Harvard? fuck him and fuck this story.


ok thanks, I feel better now.

Don't you mean "he's a stupid niger and gets what he deserves"?

Say what you really want to.

g under p

scb wrote:

g under p wrote:

DWB.

My personal opinion, if I take both stories with equal grains of salt, is that this whole incident is more about the male ego - on both sides - than anything. Both of them should have been adult enought to just let it go once it was proven that no crime was being committed. But instead they just each had to get the last word. I don't think the cop had the right to use his badge to support his ego though.

I agree and worse their tempers and egos got the best of them. like you said once it was proven that that was his residence let the matter go unless Gates struck the officer of course.

As for DWB it becomes even worse when my partner is of the opposite race. You should see the looks on the face of 2 officers on 2 occasions when I was pulled over in S. Florida. It wasn't pretty but I just kept my cool but my GF wanted none of it and called them on the stops. It was laughable the excuse for being pulled over, one was I had too many things hanging from my rearview mirror. How he was able to spot that from a moving car at 48 mph I'll never know.

Anyway that's the state of America on race, grant you NOT all officers were like that though but it happens none the less.

Peace

Staceb10

inmytree wrote:

I love this story...folks are mad about Obama...folks think that black guy overreacted in his own home, thus leading to his arrest...yet not too many folks wonder if the cop overreacted...hmmmmm....

there are two sides to every story, but for me, there is no reason the police should have arrested this man...he showed his ID and he was in his own home...yeah, yeah, he raised his voice...I guess the should have tasered the f'r for raising his voice...

The fact is none of us really know what he did or what the officer did.