Henry Louis Gates Jr

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  • JR8805JR8805 Posts: 169
    scb wrote:
    Once Gates provided proof that it was his home, it should have all been over. Being pissed for being accused of breaking into your own home is not a crime and, by my estimation, is understandable.

    The interview with Gates that I read said several other police did arrive at some point. The photo I saw of him being led off in handcuffs did have a black officer in it. But just because a black officer arrived later for back-up or whatever doesn't mean there wasn't racial profiling.

    I didn't see Obama's speech, but it's my understanding that he was simply answering a question, no?

    I've seen much about this in the news since before yesterday.

    And on top of it, Gates is an actual friend of Obama. When I hear my friends have had something disturbing happen to them, I tend to empathize with them and want to defend them. You're there for them, but generally the fact that you say to other people that so-and-so is a jerk is not nationally publicized, and then every person in America who is in the same profession as the guy you just called a jerk doesn't claim you insulted each and every one of them and then proceeds to call you a disgrace who needs to apologize for calling ONE guy a jerk. Which he pretty much was, in my opinion.
  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    JR8805 wrote:
    scb wrote:
    Once Gates provided proof that it was his home, it should have all been over. Being pissed for being accused of breaking into your own home is not a crime and, by my estimation, is understandable.

    The interview with Gates that I read said several other police did arrive at some point. The photo I saw of him being led off in handcuffs did have a black officer in it. But just because a black officer arrived later for back-up or whatever doesn't mean there wasn't racial profiling.

    I didn't see Obama's speech, but it's my understanding that he was simply answering a question, no?

    I've seen much about this in the news since before yesterday.

    And on top of it, Gates is an actual friend of Obama. When I hear my friends have had something disturbing happen to them, I tend to empathize with them and want to defend them. You're there for them, but generally the fact that you say to other people that so-and-so is a jerk is not nationally publicized, and then every person in America who is in the same profession as the guy you just called a jerk doesn't claim you insulted each and every one of them and then proceeds to call you a disgrace who needs to apologize for calling ONE guy a jerk. Which he pretty much was, in my opinion.

    So what if gates is a friend of Obama. That does not give Gates the right to disrespect a police officer who was responding to a call from 911. Like I said before it is not like the police officer followed Gates home and demanded he show his ID for going into the house. There was an attepted break in earlier that week and the police asked him to show ID. There was nothing wrong with that.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741

    So what if gates is a friend of Obama. That does not give Gates the right to disrespect a police officer who was responding to a call from 911. Like I said before it is not like the police officer followed Gates home and demanded he show his ID for going into the house. There was an attepted break in earlier that week and the police asked him to show ID. There was nothing wrong with that.

    oh, now it's a crime to "disrespect" the police...interesting...

    the man was in his home, he proved it was home, at that point case solved...time for the police to move on...
  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    inmytree wrote:

    So what if gates is a friend of Obama. That does not give Gates the right to disrespect a police officer who was responding to a call from 911. Like I said before it is not like the police officer followed Gates home and demanded he show his ID for going into the house. There was an attepted break in earlier that week and the police asked him to show ID. There was nothing wrong with that.

    oh, now it's a crime to "disrespect" the police...interesting...

    the man was in his home, he proved it was home, at that point case solved...time for the police to move on...

    Do you think the police officer was giving Gates a hard time because he was black?
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    inmytree wrote:

    So what if gates is a friend of Obama. That does not give Gates the right to disrespect a police officer who was responding to a call from 911. Like I said before it is not like the police officer followed Gates home and demanded he show his ID for going into the house. There was an attepted break in earlier that week and the police asked him to show ID. There was nothing wrong with that.

    oh, now it's a crime to "disrespect" the police...interesting...

    the man was in his home, he proved it was home, at that point case solved...time for the police to move on...

    Do you think the police officer was giving Gates a hard time because he was black?

    who knows...? do you...?

    I repeat:

    oh, now it's a crime to "disrespect" the police...interesting...

    the man was in his home, he proved it was home, at that point case solved...time for the police to move on...
  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    [/quote]

    Do you think the police officer was giving Gates a hard time because he was black?[/quote]

    who knows...? do you...?

    I repeat:

    oh, now it's a crime to "disrespect" the police...interesting...

    the man was in his home, he proved it was home, at that point case solved...time for the police to move on...[/quote]

    You are right the cased was solved until Gates came out of his house and started verbally abusing the police officer doing his job. Like I said it is not like the guy followed him home and said is that your house let me see your id. He responded to a 911 call of a break in. That so happens the same house had an attempted break in earlier that week. maybe Gates should have thanked the police officer for checking up on his house. and left it at that rather than accusing him of being a racist.
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  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
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    You are right the cased was solved until Gates came out of his house and started verbally abusing the police officer doing his job. Like I said it is not like the guy followed him home and said is that your house let me see your id. He responded to a 911 call of a break in. That so happens the same house had an attempted break in earlier that week. maybe Gates should have thanked the police officer for checking up on his house. and left it at that rather than accusing him of being a racist.


    and maybe the police could have left after they solved the case...I take it you think it's ok for the police to arrest someone for yelling, on their own property...

    listen, I'm not saying Gates acted perfectly...what I am saying is the police took it too far...he was yelling...bfd...if he had a weapon, if he attempted to assualt an officer, I say arrest his ass, but he was just yelling...
  • brandon10brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    jlew24asu wrote:
    agreed

    If someone is fumbling with a door trying to get into a locked house, and they refuse to show the cop their ID, what would you want the cop to do?

    The cop is supposed to apprehend suspected criminals, and the suspects are innocent till proven guilty. This is exactly what happened.

    agree also. I cant believe this story is getting so much coverage. there was no racial profiling at all. not only was he fumbling with a locked door, a fucking call came in saying someone was trying to break into a home. for fuckssake. it was a simple misunderstanding. yet this is national news because he is some (GASP!!!! black) dipshit professor at Harvard? fuck him and fuck this story.


    ok thanks, I feel better now.

    Don't you mean "he's a stupid niger and gets what he deserves"?

    Say what you really want to.
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    scb wrote:
    g under p wrote:
    DWB.

    :lol::lol::lol::lol:

    My personal opinion, if I take both stories with equal grains of salt, is that this whole incident is more about the male ego - on both sides - than anything. Both of them should have been adult enought to just let it go once it was proven that no crime was being committed. But instead they just each had to get the last word. I don't think the cop had the right to use his badge to support his ego though.

    I agree and worse their tempers and egos got the best of them. like you said once it was proven that that was his residence let the matter go unless Gates struck the officer of course.

    As for DWB it becomes even worse when my partner is of the opposite race. You should see the looks on the face of 2 officers on 2 occasions when I was pulled over in S. Florida. It wasn't pretty but I just kept my cool but my GF wanted none of it and called them on the stops. It was laughable the excuse for being pulled over, one was I had too many things hanging from my rearview mirror. :D How he was able to spot that from a moving car at 48 mph I'll never know.

    Anyway that's the state of America on race, grant you NOT all officers were like that though but it happens none the less.

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  • Staceb10Staceb10 Posts: 675
    inmytree wrote:
    I love this story...folks are mad about Obama...folks think that black guy overreacted in his own home, thus leading to his arrest...yet not too many folks wonder if the cop overreacted...hmmmmm....

    there are two sides to every story, but for me, there is no reason the police should have arrested this man...he showed his ID and he was in his own home...yeah, yeah, he raised his voice...I guess the should have tasered the f'r for raising his voice...

    The fact is none of us really know what he did or what the officer did.
  • Staceb10Staceb10 Posts: 675
    brandon10 wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    agreed

    If someone is fumbling with a door trying to get into a locked house, and they refuse to show the cop their ID, what would you want the cop to do?

    The cop is supposed to apprehend suspected criminals, and the suspects are innocent till proven guilty. This is exactly what happened.

    agree also. I cant believe this story is getting so much coverage. there was no racial profiling at all. not only was he fumbling with a locked door, a fucking call came in saying someone was trying to break into a home. for fuckssake. it was a simple misunderstanding. yet this is national news because he is some (GASP!!!! black) dipshit professor at Harvard? fuck him and fuck this story.


    ok thanks, I feel better now.

    Don't you mean "he's a stupid niger and gets what he deserves"?

    Say what you really want to.

    I think that's a bit harsh. Just because someone doesn't think the cop was racially profiling this guy who just assumed he was being profiled and acted like an asshole doesn't mean he was calling him a racial slur.
  • inmytreeinmytree Posts: 4,741
    Staceb10 wrote:
    inmytree wrote:
    I love this story...folks are mad about Obama...folks think that black guy overreacted in his own home, thus leading to his arrest...yet not too many folks wonder if the cop overreacted...hmmmmm....

    there are two sides to every story, but for me, there is no reason the police should have arrested this man...he showed his ID and he was in his own home...yeah, yeah, he raised his voice...I guess the should have tasered the f'r for raising his voice...

    The fact is none of us really know what he did or what the officer did.


    not true...

    A) Gates came home from China
    B) His door was stuck
    C) Someone calls the po-po
    D) Po-po shows up
    E) Oh my, this is Gates' home
    F) Gates yells at the po-po (aka acts like an asshole)
    G) Gates is arrested
    H) Charges dropped
  • brandon10brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    I hope Mr. Gates does the Ameican thing and sues the shit out of the cambridge police.
  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    brandon10 wrote:
    I hope Mr. Gates does the Ameican thing and sues the shit out of the cambridge police.
    For what being an asshole. I think the cop should sue gates for defamation of character.
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  • brandon10brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    agree also. I cant believe this story is getting so much coverage. there was no racial profiling at all. not only was he fumbling with a locked door, a fucking call came in saying someone was trying to break into a home. for fuckssake. it was a simple misunderstanding. yet this is national news because he is some (GASP!!!! black) dipshit professor at Harvard? fuck him and fuck this story.


    ok thanks, I feel better now.[/quote]

    Don't you mean "he's a stupid niger and gets what he deserves"?

    Say what you really want to.[/quote]

    I think that's a bit harsh. Just because someone doesn't think the cop was racially profiling this guy who just assumed he was being profiled and acted like an asshole doesn't mean he was calling him a racial slur.[/quote]

    I would bet the farm that with his buddies he speaks in this manner.
  • brandon10brandon10 Posts: 1,114
    brandon10 wrote:
    I hope Mr. Gates does the Ameican thing and sues the shit out of the cambridge police.
    For what being an asshole. I think the cop should sue gates for defamation of character.

    Goodluck with that arguement.
  • Dirtie_FrankDirtie_Frank Posts: 1,348
    brandon10 wrote:
    brandon10 wrote:
    I hope Mr. Gates does the Ameican thing and sues the shit out of the cambridge police.
    For what being an asshole. I think the cop should sue gates for defamation of character.

    Goodluck with that arguement.

    He has a better case then gates.
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  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    inmytree wrote:

    So what if gates is a friend of Obama. That does not give Gates the right to disrespect a police officer who was responding to a call from 911. Like I said before it is not like the police officer followed Gates home and demanded he show his ID for going into the house. There was an attepted break in earlier that week and the police asked him to show ID. There was nothing wrong with that.

    oh, now it's a crime to "disrespect" the police...interesting...

    the man was in his home, he proved it was home, at that point case solved...time for the police to move on...

    Do you think the police officer was giving Gates a hard time because he was black?
    I think the policeman was just full of himself and his "power"....he would have probably been an asshole to a white guy too. Too many of today's law enforcement officers have let the badge go to their head...especially since 9/11...you say something they don't like or agree with, they make up some bullshit excuse to arrest you.
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  • brandon10brandon10 Posts: 1,114

    He has a better case then gates.[/quote]

    Ya.....One guy got wrongfully arrested and the other had bad words said to him. Like I said, good luck.
  • brandon10 wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    agreed

    If someone is fumbling with a door trying to get into a locked house, and they refuse to show the cop their ID, what would you want the cop to do?

    The cop is supposed to apprehend suspected criminals, and the suspects are innocent till proven guilty. This is exactly what happened.

    agree also. I cant believe this story is getting so much coverage. there was no racial profiling at all. not only was he fumbling with a locked door, a fucking call came in saying someone was trying to break into a home. for fuckssake. it was a simple misunderstanding. yet this is national news because he is some (GASP!!!! black) dipshit professor at Harvard? fuck him and fuck this story.


    ok thanks, I feel better now.

    Don't you mean "he's a stupid niger and gets what he deserves"?

    Say what you really want to.
    thats a pretty stupid comment to make. what other assumptions and prejudices do you have?
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    tybird wrote:

    I think the policeman was just full of himself and his "power"....he would have probably been an asshole to a white guy too. Too many of today's law enforcement officers have let the badge go to their head...especially since 9/11...you say something they don't like or agree with, they make up some bullshit excuse to arrest you.

    Absolutely, I know this for a fact and I didn't say anything to the officer just the atmosphere and the county at that time. At the time 2 officers were killed by a black man while he was in jail. They were beating him to death when he got a hold of one of their guns and killed them both out of panic and fear. After that police arrested you for just looking at them.

    Anyway i was arrested the only time in my life for till this day I don't clearly know why. I was 17 what I did was walked through an amusement park with my bike which I had done countless times along with others. He told me I had to park the bike outside the park and that i couldn't come back in. I couldn't believe what he was saying to when I saw others walking in the park so I parked the bike and came back in I was arrested. When I got to the same station those two officers were killed they taunted and made fun of me to no end. I couldn't believe the shit I was in with drunken people etc.

    They released me after my mother couldn't be reached and I had a court appearence 5 weeks later, paided a $25 fined to avoid a trial cause I was about to start college. So yes in my case they make up shit to fit their agenda on certain people.

    Again ALL are not like that officer that arrested me but they're a contingent hold tight for one another whether right or wrong.

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  • there are a lot of douchebag cops around, but i always seem to get lucky. all my friends have had at least one DUI, but the only thing i ever got was a ride home from the coolest fucking cop in the world. not that im proud of driving hammered. that was pretty stupid.
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    brandon10 wrote:
    stupid niger

    :o
    Dude, you are way out of line with that comment. I think you owe the people of the Republic of Niger an apology!
  • youngsteryoungster Boston Posts: 6,576
    brandon10 wrote:
    I hope Mr. Gates does the Ameican thing and sues the shit out of the cambridge police.

    I hope he does too.

    Cause then it would be open season on his house. Cause do you actually think the police would actively investigate another call to that residence after this incident?

    And for the record, I think that Gates is the racist, not Crowley. People in this country think that racism can only be white on black and not the other way around. This guy provoked the situation. It could have ended had he not used the race card when asked for ID. Then he wants an apology? Good for Crowley for not backing down.
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  • TriumphantAngelTriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    brandon10 wrote:
    I hope Mr. Gates does the Ameican thing and sues the shit out of the cambridge police.

    I hope he does too.

    Cause then it would be open season on his house. Cause do you actually think the police would actively investigate another call to that residence after this incident
    don't kid yourself, i'm sure if his whiny assed neighbour complained again, they would be there in a heartbeat. :roll:
  • TriumphantAngelTriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    g under p wrote:
    tybird wrote:

    I think the policeman was just full of himself and his "power"....he would have probably been an asshole to a white guy too. Too many of today's law enforcement officers have let the badge go to their head...especially since 9/11...you say something they don't like or agree with, they make up some bullshit excuse to arrest you.

    Absolutely, I know this for a fact and I didn't say anything to the officer just the atmosphere and the county at that time. At the time 2 officers were killed by a black man while he was in jail. They were beating him to death when he got a hold of one of their guns and killed them both out of panic and fear. After that police arrested you for just looking at them.

    Anyway i was arrested the only time in my life for till this day I don't clearly know why. I was 17 what I did was walked through an amusement park with my bike which I had done countless times along with others. He told me I had to park the bike outside the park and that i couldn't come back in. I couldn't believe what he was saying to when I saw others walking in the park so I parked the bike and came back in I was arrested. When I got to the same station those two officers were killed they taunted and made fun of me to no end. I couldn't believe the shit I was in with drunken people etc.

    They released me after my mother couldn't be reached and I had a court appearence 5 weeks later, paided a $25 fined to avoid a trial cause I was about to start college. So yes in my case they make up shit to fit their agenda on certain people.

    Again ALL are not like that officer that arrested me but they're a contingent hold tight for one another whether right or wrong.

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    that's such a shitty story g under p. sorry that happened to you.
  • FinsburyParkCarrotsFinsburyParkCarrots Seattle, WA Posts: 12,223
    Damned if he said nothing, Damned if he said something which he could modify a bit, tomorrow. It's politics.
  • my take is the guy was chomping at the bit to start a fight with a cop, and couldnt pass up an opportunity to cause a scene, even though the cop was really helping him. he was trying to cause an incident and the cop fell right into it.

    but................ the cop did abuse his authority. arresting people because they piss you off is bullshit. I dont think racism was involved at all. just good old fashioned abuse of power.

    i have a hard time feeling sorry for either of them. one scumbag ran into another one.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    MrSmith wrote:
    my take is the guy was chomping at the bit to start a fight with a cop, and couldnt pass up an opportunity to cause a scene, even though the cop was really helping him. he was trying to cause an incident and the cop fell right into it.

    but................ the cop did abuse his authority. arresting people because they piss you off is bullshit. I dont think racism was involved at all. just good old fashioned abuse of power.

    i have a hard time feeling sorry for either of them. one scumbag ran into another one.

    My guess is just that the cop was offended at being accused of racism when, all things considered, he was being pretty reasonable. But when it comes down to it... I think that given the power a police officer has, he's got to be the bigger man and just walk away and let Gates keep ranting. If this guy was teaching a racial profiling class, I'm guessing he won't anymore. One less decent cop out there. But the bottom line is, a crotchety old black man was quick to cry profiling. Maybe it was justified, maybe it wasn't. But you let him rant and throw a tantrum on his porch all he wants and you get the hell outta there and investigate other crimes. The cop's response was human, but I think we necessarily need to hold police to higher standards of judgment and behavior than average citizen. I don't blame him for throwing the cuffs, but he still shouldn't have done it.
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    MrSmith wrote:
    my take is the guy was chomping at the bit to start a fight with a cop, and couldnt pass up an opportunity to cause a scene, even though the cop was really helping him. he was trying to cause an incident and the cop fell right into it.

    but................ the cop did abuse his authority. arresting people because they piss you off is bullshit. I dont think racism was involved at all. just good old fashioned abuse of power.

    i have a hard time feeling sorry for either of them. one scumbag ran into another one.

    My guess is just that the cop was offended at being accused of racism when, all things considered, he was being pretty reasonable. But when it comes down to it... I think that given the power a police officer has, he's got to be the bigger man and just walk away and let Gates keep ranting. If this guy was teaching a racial profiling class, I'm guessing he won't anymore. One less decent cop out there. But the bottom line is, a crotchety old black man was quick to cry profiling. Maybe it was justified, maybe it wasn't. But you let him rant and throw a tantrum on his porch all he wants and you get the hell outta there and investigate other crimes. The cop's response was human, but I think we necessarily need to hold police to higher standards of judgment and behavior than average citizen. I don't blame him for throwing the cuffs, but he still shouldn't have done it.
    If part of your job description allows you to restrict another person's freedom, within limits of the law, you should hold yourself to a higher standard....because we are expecting a higher standard of you.
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