Overblown Criticism of The Fixer

soulsinging

MrSmith wrote:

why do people cry so much if somebody hates a song? i swear half of these people are crying onto their keyboards as they scream that we all hate Pearl Jam and aren't real fans!

I couldn't care less if people don't like the song. I loathe most of RA and people thing I'm a downer for it. What I react to is pretension. That Pitchfork-blowing, indie record shop posing attitude some people have that if anything has a shred of melody, catchiness, or broad appeal, it is obviously inferior music for mindless drones. That's what annoys me. It's like the scene in Almost Famous where the David Bowie fan is trying to play it cool like he's all above the sheep, talking about Bowie's new music being lame music for the masses before squealing like a 10-year old girl once he actually sees the guy. That's how I perceive the hipsters... I'm way too cool to like anything remotely popular or catchy, you won't recognize any of my music because I'm so hip and underground and alternative and not mainstream, and this new song is SO top 40 and lame and... OMG it's EDDIE!

Gary Carter

soulsinging wrote:

metsfan wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Yeah, it's very clear here that when you say that "it was the 50s when they made those songs", you obviously meant that the SOUND was 1950's and you know they made those songs in the 60's. :roll: Kinda like how anytime you and metsfan say a song is not poppy to bolster your argument and everyone points out that said song is very catchy and poppy (the cure, satan's bed, etc), you immediately claim you meant only the lyrics. Or when you say Nickelback is poppy and everyone asks what you're smoking, you clarify that you mean it's mainstream and not deep enough. You're the king of the backpedal.

By all means, hate the song. But be honest about it. It's got nothing to do with selling out or not taking new directions (which this song is for PJ), or anything else... it's the fact that the song is fun and goofy, and you want your PJ as dour and angsty as it was in the 90's.

i never said it wasn't poppy. get your fucking facts right dude. i said it was to poppy and sounds like something a top 40 band would do.

You said the Cure weren't poppy. That's what I was referring to.

there lyrics weren't poppy. if the lyrics were poppy we wouldn't have so many emo bands wearing guyliner and lipstick.


yesterday i got so old
i felt like i could die
yesterday i got so old
it made me want to cry
go on go on
just walk away
go on go on
your choice is made
go on go on
and disappear
go on go on
away from here

this to me isn't poppy/upbeat. sounds like a dude who lost his gf and is crying.

Gary Carter

soulsinging wrote:

It was sarcasm. And you know I never claimed any sort of musical genius either, I just said you aren't one. I'm all low brow man, give me something fun... as jack irons said "a mindless good time."

well how am i supposed to know its sarcasm. fuckeyes suck, .

Jeanwah

soulsinging wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

MrSmith wrote:

why do people cry so much if somebody hates a song? i swear half of these people are crying onto their keyboards as they scream that we all hate Pearl Jam and aren't real fans!

i picture half these people as the psychotic obsessive old women in the front row at concerts who wont talk to you unless your Ten Club number is in the low digits and think they're married to Eddie.

I'm guessing because some people expect blind devotion and an absence of independent thinking...

It's funny because anyone who doesn't care for the Fixer isn't breathing down any other person's neck as to why they may like it. Haven't seen any of that yet. Yet, cop an independent (and unpopular) opinion, and watch out!

Did you read Crazy's posts calling us all lemmings for liking a song that was obviously objectively terrible?

Oh. yeah. right. Ok, a couple people dissing the likers vs. a majority telling those not impressed to leave or that we're not real fans because we don't love the new single?

Ledbetterman10

soulsinging wrote:

MrSmith wrote:

why do people cry so much if somebody hates a song? i swear half of these people are crying onto their keyboards as they scream that we all hate Pearl Jam and aren't real fans!

I couldn't care less if people don't like the song. I loathe most of RA and people thing I'm a downer for it. What I react to is pretension. That Pitchfork-blowing, indie record shop posing attitude some people have that if anything has a shred of melody, catchiness, or broad appeal, it is obviously inferior music for mindless drones. That's what annoys me. It's like the scene in Almost Famous where the David Bowie fan is trying to play it cool like he's all above the sheep, talking about Bowie's new music being lame music for the masses before squealing like a 10-year old girl once he actually sees the guy. That's how I perceive the hipsters... I'm way too cool to like anything remotely popular or catchy, you won't recognize any of my music because I'm so hip and underground and alternative and not mainstream, and this new song is SO top 40 and lame and... OMG it's EDDIE!

I'm just gonna keep pasting this every time I see this type of post:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

it's not that we don't like it because of any pre-conceived notion of what a Pearl Jam song should be or because we're too pretentious to enjoy a "fun and goofy" song, we just think it's a bad song.

Gary Carter

Jeanwah wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Did you read Crazy's posts calling us all lemmings for liking a song that was obviously objectively terrible?

Oh. yeah. right. Ok, a couple people dissing the likers vs. a majority telling those not impressed to leave or that we're not real fans because we don't love the new single?

nice post, .

soulsinging

Jeanwah wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

I'm guessing because some people expect blind devotion and an absence of independent thinking...

It's funny because anyone who doesn't care for the Fixer isn't breathing down any other person's neck as to why they may like it. Haven't seen any of that yet. Yet, cop an independent (and unpopular) opinion, and watch out!

Did you read Crazy's posts calling us all lemmings for liking a song that was obviously objectively terrible?

Oh. yeah. right. Ok, a couple people dissing the likers vs. a majority telling those not impressed to leave or that we're not real fans because we don't love the new single?

I've certainly never told anyone to leave or said they're not a real fan. I've had a lot of people tell me that when I'm dissing on Riot Act though.

soulsinging

metsfan wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

You said the Cure weren't poppy. That's what I was referring to.

there lyrics weren't poppy. if the lyrics were poppy we wouldn't have so many emo bands wearing guyliner and lipstick.


yesterday i got so old
i felt like i could die
yesterday i got so old
it made me want to cry
go on go on
just walk away
go on go on
your choice is made
go on go on
and disappear
go on go on
away from here

this to me isn't poppy/upbeat. sounds like a dude who lost his gf and is crying.

That was my point. You said they weren't poppy, people pointed out that they clearly were, and you suddenly changed your tune to "the lyrics aren't poppy" by citing one song (this is the same one it was then). And other have posted a number of Cure songs that are very poppy and have upbeat lyrics, as if that matters. Because lyrics don't. Britney Spears' first hit was about how lonely she was... I rather doubt you'd say that song was not poppy. A number of huge pop hits in the last few years have been about no more than doing drugs and killing people... still pop. Lyrics are meaningless when discussing whether or not a song is poppy.

soulsinging

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I'm just gonna keep pasting this every time I see this type of post:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

it's not that we don't like it because of any pre-conceived notion of what a Pearl Jam song should be or because we're too pretentious to enjoy a "fun and goofy" song, we just think it's a bad song.

That may be all well and good for you, but given that the thread that started all this was whining about how the song is too "bubblegum" and the other half of the tag team has spent pages complaining that it sounds too top 40 and mainstream, you'll forgive me for getting the impression that the dislike from many has more to do with what I described than it does for you.

Gary Carter

soulsinging wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

I'm just gonna keep pasting this every time I see this type of post:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

it's not that we don't like it because of any pre-conceived notion of what a Pearl Jam song should be or because we're too pretentious to enjoy a "fun and goofy" song, we just think it's a bad song.

That may be all well and good for you, but given that the thread that started all this was whining about how the song is too "bubblegum" and the other half of the tag team has spent pages complaining that it sounds too top 40 and mainstream, you'll forgive me for getting the impression that the dislike from many has more to do with what I described than it does for you.

i'm not some pretentious music genius or a hipster know it all. to me it sucks cause its such a poppy song and not something i expect from a band that for many years turned there back on top 40 and mainstream(12-17 year olds). i love this band but that doesn't mean i'm gonna be a fucking sheep and like everything the band does or puts out. people can go right ahead an enjoy a song that will bring the younger crowd like green days last 2 cd's did. maybe now pj can finally officially sell-out an arena.

ReachingForThinAir

here's something i know....

i have turned on people to this. (mostly on my Amsterdam board)
they were always.. too much head-banging, too hard.. THIS!
they love it. Don't know what that means lol.

i love it. Rockin' and sweet. (ps. i still love me some head-banging, and always loved a sweet-ass song too)

at :16 on the cassette player, Stoney takes the riff upward and it is cool.

just try not to eat your words, i guess.. cuz it has a riff that can sneak its way inta ya.

(edit: oh love me some serious balladic wordy shit too)

soulsinging

metsfan wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

Ledbetterman10 wrote:

it's not that we don't like it because of any pre-conceived notion of what a Pearl Jam song should be or because we're too pretentious to enjoy a "fun and goofy" song, we just think it's a bad song.

That may be all well and good for you, but given that the thread that started all this was whining about how the song is too "bubblegum" and the other half of the tag team has spent pages complaining that it sounds too top 40 and mainstream, you'll forgive me for getting the impression that the dislike from many has more to do with what I described than it does for you.

i'm not some pretentious music genius or a hipster know it all. to me it sucks cause its such a poppy song and not something i expect from a band that many years turned there back on top 40 and mainstream(12-17 year olds). i love this band but that doesn't mean i'm gonna be a fucking sheep and like everything the band does or puts out. people can go right ahead and enjoy a song that will bring the younger crowd like green days last 2 cd's

I rest my case.

South of Seattle

soulsinging wrote:

metsfan wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

You said the Cure weren't poppy. That's what I was referring to.

there lyrics weren't poppy. if the lyrics were poppy we wouldn't have so many emo bands wearing guyliner and lipstick.


yesterday i got so old
i felt like i could die
yesterday i got so old
it made me want to cry
go on go on
just walk away
go on go on
your choice is made
go on go on
and disappear
go on go on
away from here

this to me isn't poppy/upbeat. sounds like a dude who lost his gf and is crying.

That was my point. You said they weren't poppy, people pointed out that they clearly were, and you suddenly changed your tune to "the lyrics aren't poppy" by citing one song (this is the same one it was then). And other have posted a number of Cure songs that are very poppy and have upbeat lyrics, as if that matters. Because lyrics don't. Britney Spears' first hit was about how lonely she was... I rather doubt you'd say that song was not poppy. A number of huge pop hits in the last few years have been about no more than doing drugs and killing people... still pop. Lyrics are meaningless when discussing whether or not a song is poppy.

Yep, lyrics don't matter as much in terms of "Popness" IMO.
These Cure songs are pretty poppy to me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQhh4Xs8 ... re=related, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORc5Td_T6og

Sometimes good musicians record music that their hardcore fans are gonna hate, that's always how it's going to be.

I wonder what the Stones or Bowie message boards would have done back in the day? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATw7HIJCuLY

Ledbetterman10

soulsinging wrote:

metsfan wrote:

soulsinging wrote:

That may be all well and good for you, but given that the thread that started all this was whining about how the song is too "bubblegum" and the other half of the tag team has spent pages complaining that it sounds too top 40 and mainstream, you'll forgive me for getting the impression that the dislike from many has more to do with what I described than it does for you.

i'm not some pretentious music genius or a hipster know it all. to me it sucks cause its such a poppy song and not something i expect from a band that many years turned there back on top 40 and mainstream(12-17 year olds). i love this band but that doesn't mean i'm gonna be a fucking sheep and like everything the band does or puts out. people can go right ahead and enjoy a song that will bring the younger crowd like green days last 2 cd's

I rest my case.

well there's always one I guess.

Just don't lump me with in with those people. I hate The Fixer because it's a bad song, but not because it's a bad pop song.

PushinPaint

[/quote] i'm not some pretentious music genius or a hipster know it all. to me it sucks cause its such a poppy song and not something i expect from a band that for many years turned there back on top 40 and mainstream(12-17 year olds). i love this band but that doesn't mean i'm gonna be a fucking sheep and like everything the band does or puts out. people can go right ahead an enjoy a song that will bring the younger crowd like green days last 2 cd's did. maybe now pj can finally officially sell-out an arena.[/quote]

so you dont like the song because it will bring the younger crowd in right? thats the way it sounds. it doesn't sound like you dont like it just because you DONT, but you DONT because "it will bring in the younger crowd like green days last 2 cds did." thats just the way i read that, and i believe that is the way you meant it. but that is all good and well too, part of liking or disliking a band is the perception they have to the public other than yourself.

RW81233

The only one I loved right from the start was Avocado, which is in the middle of my top 8 1/2 PJ albums. When I used to deliver newspapers at 6 am as a youngster I had to hear all the Vs. songs multiple times on the classic rock station to realize that I liked the band, then listened to the album and only liked the radio songs. Now I like those less and enjoy the others more. It's the evolution of liking music. Now it's different as well, b/c I sit and anticipate new albums and usually try to "force" liking them at first listen. However with the two new songs that I've heard, it's taken a bit for me to like them and now I do. I guess it may be the style I listen to music.

For example one of my new favorite bands, Rise Against, had that radio song (re)education through labor, and it was on while I worked out in the gym a bunch. At first I liked it b/c of the music, then listened to what it was about, and really started liking it. Then I got into the band. For others, maybe this isn't the case, which is why everyone is having these different responses to got some and the fixer.

ReachingForThinAir

remember back in '73 when Houses of the Holy sucked bollards?

grew on me like an appendage it did.

it is brill, i was just keeping their first 4 albums in my head.

i grew with them.

Gary Carter

PushinPaint wrote:

so you dont like the song because it will bring the younger crowd in right? thats the way it sounds. it doesn't sound like you dont like it just because you DONT, but you DONT because "it will bring in the younger crowd like green days last 2 cds did." thats just the way i read that, and i believe that is the way you meant it. but that is all good and well too, part of liking or disliking a band is the perception they have to the public other than yourself.

i dont like it cause i just dont. i bought reasons as to why, rather then just spouting out bs like alota people do when they wanna make a point. yes i know what perception is all bout. to me the perception is a few jean jacket old wearing dudes appealing to the mass and cashing in one final time before they become like aerosmith or the who or other old bands. i'm sure i will love backspacer. there hasn't been a o'brien produced cd that i haven't hated yet.

ReachingForThinAir

metsfan wrote:

PushinPaint wrote:

so you dont like the song because it will bring the younger crowd in right? thats the way it sounds. it doesn't sound like you dont like it just because you DONT, but you DONT because "it will bring in the younger crowd like green days last 2 cds did." thats just the way i read that, and i believe that is the way you meant it. but that is all good and well too, part of liking or disliking a band is the perception they have to the public other than yourself.

i dont like it cause i just dont. i bought reasons as to why, rather then just spouting out bs like alota people do when they wanna make a point. yes i know what perception is all bout. to me the perception is a few jean jacket old wearing dudes appealing to the mass and cashing in one final time before they become like aerosmith or the who or other old bands. i'm sure i will love backspacer. there hasn't been a o'brien produced cd that i haven't hated yet.

wow did you mean that double neg? ttku.

Benzor

ive read a ton of bitching and criticism lately that i just let go by but this one is just too stupid...it just might be the single dumbest thread i have ever taken the time to click on.