All this because "encinoman" didn't like the outcome of his "God Bless America" thread?
Dude, get a pet if you need some validation.
Are u kidding. Look at all the love on that thread. Im thinking maybe even MT'ers can change.
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Actually... other than people saying they disagreed with the 'God Bless America' part, the greater majority of people posted positive traits of our nation. So, i saw lots of love for America on that thread.
The thread took a turn for the worst with your post about being banned and all of that.
From there, it was mostly negative regarding your attitude and the 'God Bless America' song being played at Baseball games.
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And why do people need to 'Change'? Change to what? I don't expect anyone to change... I'll accept them for who they are, regardless of their opinions. I don't expect anyone to change their views to be the same as mine. All i do is express things based upon the way that I see them... knowing people see the same thing from different viewpoints.
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Hail, Hail!!!
George W is gone. All that's left are haters, extremists, anti-semites and freaks. Do we really need this anymore? Can we get back to music and the good life and kill the negativity thread? Im sure there's another home for all the malcontents. Join me in leaving the MT. Close it down!
after reading some of your other posts, part of me is thinking it's pointless trying to engage in a discussion with you, because you just seem so angry and unwilling to have an open mind for anyone elses views. i'll try to explain anyway.
I don't understand why you feel like you do, that when anyone speaks out about some injustice or wrong that they feel has been committed by the government, they are accused of hating America. They may not be in agreeance with the direction some things are heading in, but haters? Nar. I just don't see it. Patriotism has never been blind allegiance to people or policy. Patriotism is loyalty to an ideal - to principle. When i feel that an injustice has been committed, or our ideals or principles have been betrayed, i can't help but to speak out in defense of them. I speak out to preserve what I feel is great. I speak out because of what I love about this country, not out of hate. Don't you see this?
George W is gone. All that's left are haters, extremists, anti-semites and freaks. Do we really need this anymore? Can we get back to music and the good life and kill the negativity thread? Im sure there's another home for all the malcontents. Join me in leaving the MT. Close it down!
after reading some of your other posts, part of me is thinking it's pointless trying to engage in a discussion with you, because you just seem so angry and unwilling to have an open mind for anyone elses views. i'll try to explain anyway.
I don't understand why you feel like you do, that when anyone speaks out about some injustice or wrong that they feel has been committed by the government, they are accused of hating America. They may not be in agreeance with the direction some things are heading in, but haters? Nar. I just don't see it. Patriotism has never been blind allegiance to people or policy. Patriotism is loyalty to an ideal - to principle. When i feel that an injustice has been committed, or our ideals or principles have been betrayed, i can't help but to speak out in defense of them. I speak out to preserve what I feel is great. I speak out because of what I love about this country, not out of hate. Don't you see this?
Well I've read some of your responses as well and was going to comment at how well reasoned and open minded your responses seem. Im reacting to a pattern of behavior that has existed in this part of the pit for years. Not just a single post or position of someone who doesn't agree with "the government". Whose fond of the of the government? Not me.
What bothers me about this place is that some people do in fact come here to do nothing but bash. Nothing this country does can ever be good enough. I abandoned this place a long time ago when W was still in office and this was a cauldron of rebellion. Good stuff most of it. But there was a good deal of malice and general.....scariness beneath it all.
But now i'm just baffled...This country just underwent a monumental change. A change that is having global significance and the bashing continues. It's just a few people now as opposed to dozens before or scores before. Mostly fans of the band, allegedly, who were either European or Canadian or Australian came here to espouse their general views of contempt of the United States, or Israel. For some reason the latter seems to be an obsession over here.
You would have thought that with Obama trotting the globe shaking hands and making friends and winding wars down the rhetoric would have calmed down. And largely it has. But what I found unnerving was the level of contempt and animosity for my country, as opposed to my President, that remains. Big f'n difference to me to me...Call my President an asshole and your talking about him. That's fine.
So out of morbid curiosity I start a thread called God Bless America...Let's see what the tempertaure is ya know? And nice to see most people seem able to wrap their head around being ok with being an American or just generally being ok with America. And that was cool. But then one very predictable fellow had to chime in with God Less America.......See that's about us. Those people need to go. Its not cool anymore. And for that I got banned and that pisses me off.
George W is gone. All that's left are haters, extremists, anti-semites and freaks. Do we really need this anymore? Can we get back to music and the good life and kill the negativity thread? Im sure there's another home for all the malcontents. Join me in leaving the MT. Close it down!
after reading some of your other posts, part of me is thinking it's pointless trying to engage in a discussion with you, because you just seem so angry and unwilling to have an open mind for anyone elses views. i'll try to explain anyway.
I don't understand why you feel like you do, that when anyone speaks out about some injustice or wrong that they feel has been committed by the government, they are accused of hating America. They may not be in agreeance with the direction some things are heading in, but haters? Nar. I just don't see it. Patriotism has never been blind allegiance to people or policy. Patriotism is loyalty to an ideal - to principle. When i feel that an injustice has been committed, or our ideals or principles have been betrayed, i can't help but to speak out in defense of them. I speak out to preserve what I feel is great. I speak out because of what I love about this country, not out of hate. Don't you see this?
Well I've read some of your responses as well and was going to comment at how well reasoned and open minded your responses seem. Im reacting to a pattern of behavior that has existed in this part of the pit for years. Not just a single post or position of someone who doesn't agree with "the government". Whose fond of the of the government? Not me.
What bothers me about this place is that some people do in fact come here to do nothing but bash. Nothing this country does can ever be good enough. I abandoned this place a long time ago when W was still in office and this was a cauldron of rebellion. Good stuff most of it. But there was a good deal of malice and general.....scariness beneath it all.
But now i'm just baffled...This country just underwent a monumental change. A change that is having global significance and the bashing continues. It's just a few people now as opposed to dozens before or scores before. Mostly fans of the band, allegedly, who were either European or Canadian or Australian came here to espouse their general views of contempt of the United States, or Israel. For some reason the latter seems to be an obsession over here.
You would have thought that with Obama trotting the globe shaking hands and making friends and winding wars down the rhetoric would have calmed down. And largely it has. But what I found unnerving was the level of contempt and animosity for my country, as opposed to my President, that remains. Big f'n difference to me to me...Call my President an asshole and your talking about him. That's fine.
So out of morbid curiosity I start a thread called God Bless America...Let's see what the tempertaure is ya know? And nice to see most people seem able to wrap their head around being ok with being an American or just generally being ok with America. And that was cool. But then one very predictable fellow had to chime in with God Less America.......See that's about us. Those people need to go. Its not cool anymore. And for that I got banned and that pisses me off.
I know it's easier said than done, but you just have try and switch off if you find someone particulary irritating and you obviously are not making any grounds with them when you debate. If you present your thoughts respectfully, and they do theirs, and they differ, we just have to accept that people disagree. We are never going to all feel the same on everything. I have actually learned so much from people who do have different views from me.
I always also try and keep in mind, that people are very, very passionate about some of the subjects that are dicussed here, so there is bound to be some tempers flaring.
I don't know if you were around when the old board closed, but one thing that was really heart warming for me, was seeing in the final days, people who had for years been in constant conflict with each other, being gracious and respective of each other. Complimenting each other, and genuinely wishing them well for the future. We just need to understand that peoples views are not a personal attack on us, just because they differ.
I was trying to avoid this topic, but I feel like responding to a few of your points. Before I do though, I just want to say that you're not very good at debating, encinoman, brmlaw, last exodus, or whatever the fuck it is, because you seem to like to do this thing where you don't actually discuss the issue and instead you waste time accusing people of hating Jews or hating America or loving Iran or whatever weak rightwing argument you stole from the shitty media. If anything, this message board would not be that great seeing as how you are trying to silence people you disagree with. For example, I may disagree with you or jlew but I never actually think you should be banned for your views. It's just how you express them in such a remarkably shitty way that you get banned for it. And no, I don't really think this message board is that fucking serious, it's just a place to come when I'm bored to either discuss the band or read a few topics on MT. You're the one trying to give it more attention that it really needs. Anyway, before I waste more time...
Mostly fans of the band, allegedly, who were either European or Canadian or Australian came here to espouse their general views of contempt of the United States, or Israel. For some reason the latter seems to be an obsession over here.
You'd think instead of complaining about people who keep complaining about the US and Israel killing innocent people, one would just complain about the actual act of the US and Israel killing innocent people.
You would have thought that with Obama trotting the globe shaking hands and making friends and winding wars down the rhetoric would have calmed down. And largely it has.
Ok... you just contradicted yourself.
But what I found unnerving was the level of contempt and animosity for my country, as opposed to my President, that remains. Big f'n difference to me to me...Call my President an asshole and your talking about him. That's fine.
You're upset if someone says "America is killing innocent people in Afghanistan" and think one should say "Obama is killing innocent people in Afghanistan" instead? Is that it?
So out of morbid curiosity I start a thread called God Bless America...Let's see what the tempertaure is ya know? And nice to see most people seem able to wrap their head around being ok with being an American or just generally being ok with America. And that was cool. But then one very predictable fellow had to chime in with God Less America.......See that's about us. Those people need to go. Its not cool anymore. And for that I got banned and that pisses me off.
Those people need to go? Go take some Xanax or something.
I don't understand why you feel like you do, that when anyone speaks out about some injustice or wrong that they feel has been committed by the government, they are accused of hating America. They may not be in agreeance with the direction some things are heading in, but haters? Nar. I just don't see it. Patriotism has never been blind allegiance to people or policy. Patriotism is loyalty to an ideal - to principle. When i feel that an injustice has been committed, or our ideals or principles have been betrayed, i can't help but to speak out in defense of them. I speak out to preserve what I feel is great. I speak out because of what I love about this country, not out of hate. Don't you see this?[/quote]
Well I've read some of your responses as well and was going to comment at how well reasoned and open minded your responses seem. Im reacting to a pattern of behavior that has existed in this part of the pit for years. Not just a single post or position of someone who doesn't agree with "the government". Whose fond of the of the government? Not me.
What bothers me about this place is that some people do in fact come here to do nothing but bash. Nothing this country does can ever be good enough. I abandoned this place a long time ago when W was still in office and this was a cauldron of rebellion. Good stuff most of it. But there was a good deal of malice and general.....scariness beneath it all.
But now i'm just baffled...This country just underwent a monumental change. A change that is having global significance and the bashing continues. It's just a few people now as opposed to dozens before or scores before. Mostly fans of the band, allegedly, who were either European or Canadian or Australian came here to espouse their general views of contempt of the United States, or Israel. For some reason the latter seems to be an obsession over here.
You would have thought that with Obama trotting the globe shaking hands and making friends and winding wars down the rhetoric would have calmed down. And largely it has. But what I found unnerving was the level of contempt and animosity for my country, as opposed to my President, that remains. Big f'n difference to me to me...Call my President an asshole and your talking about him. That's fine.
So out of morbid curiosity I start a thread called God Bless America...Let's see what the tempertaure is ya know? And nice to see most people seem able to wrap their head around being ok with being an American or just generally being ok with America. And that was cool. But then one very predictable fellow had to chime in with God Less America.......See that's about us. Those people need to go. Its not cool anymore. And for that I got banned and that pisses me off.[/quote]
I know it's easier said than done, but you just have try and switch off if you find someone particulary irritating and you obviously are not making any grounds with them when you debate. If you present your thoughts respectfully, and they do theirs, and they differ, we just have to accept that people disagree. We are never going to all feel the same on everything. I have actually learned so much from people who do have different views from me.
I always also try and keep in mind, that people are very, very passionate about some of the subjects that are dicussed here, so there is bound to be some tempers flaring.
I don't know if you were around when the old board closed, but one thing that was really heart warming for me, was seeing in the final days, people who had for years been in constant conflict with each other, being gracious and respective of each other. Complimenting each other, and genuinely wishing them well for the future. We just need to understand that peoples views are not a personal attack on us, just because they differ.
Hope that helps.[/quote]
Thats all very sane and rational and typically if its a subject that I am not passionate about I could give a fart. A couple of things just rub me wrong...Ya know? And im not really the walk away from a good fight type. Even if that means running afoul of the powers that be. I think thats all in the spirit. But I hear ya.
George W is gone. All that's left are haters, extremists, anti-semites and freaks. Do we really need this anymore? Can we get back to music and the good life and kill the negativity thread? Im sure there's another home for all the malcontents. Join me in leaving the MT. Close it down!
after reading some of your other posts, part of me is thinking it's pointless trying to engage in a discussion with you, because you just seem so angry and unwilling to have an open mind for anyone elses views. i'll try to explain anyway.
I don't understand why you feel like you do, that when anyone speaks out about some injustice or wrong that they feel has been committed by the government, they are accused of hating America. They may not be in agreeance with the direction some things are heading in, but haters? Nar. I just don't see it. Patriotism has never been blind allegiance to people or policy. Patriotism is loyalty to an ideal - to principle. When i feel that an injustice has been committed, or our ideals or principles have been betrayed, i can't help but to speak out in defense of them. I speak out to preserve what I feel is great. I speak out because of what I love about this country, not out of hate. Don't you see this?
Here's my other little pet peeve and ill leave it there. Im a real stickler for history. There seems to be a fair amount of young people who come in here and read some of this garbage that people with their cut and paste try to pass off as news followed by more cut and paste of their view of history and it's just fucking wrong! I cant walk away from that. If your gonna go gonzo public with your personal political historical rants, at least get it right....Bugs me.
I was trying to avoid this topic, but I feel like responding to a few of your points. Before I do though, I just want to say that you're not very good at debating, encinoman, brmlaw, last exodus, or whatever the fuck it is, because you seem to like to do this thing where you don't actually discuss the issue and instead you waste time accusing people of hating Jews or hating America or loving Iran or whatever weak rightwing argument you stole from the shitty media. If anything, this message board would not be that great seeing as how you are trying to silence people you disagree with. For example, I may disagree with you or jlew but I never actually think you should be banned for your views. It's just how you express them in such a remarkably shitty way that you get banned for it. And no, I don't really think this message board is that fucking serious, it's just a place to come when I'm bored to either discuss the band or read a few topics on MT. You're the one trying to give it more attention that it really needs. Anyway, before I waste more time...
Mostly fans of the band, allegedly, who were either European or Canadian or Australian came here to espouse their general views of contempt of the United States, or Israel. For some reason the latter seems to be an obsession over here.
You'd think instead of complaining about people who keep complaining about the US and Israel killing innocent people, one would just complain about the actual act of the US and Israel killing innocent people.
You would have thought that with Obama trotting the globe shaking hands and making friends and winding wars down the rhetoric would have calmed down. And largely it has.
Ok... you just contradicted yourself.
But what I found unnerving was the level of contempt and animosity for my country, as opposed to my President, that remains. Big f'n difference to me to me...Call my President an asshole and your talking about him. That's fine.
You're upset if someone says "America is killing innocent people in Afghanistan" and think one should say "Obama is killing innocent people in Afghanistan" instead? Is that it?
So out of morbid curiosity I start a thread called God Bless America...Let's see what the tempertaure is ya know? And nice to see most people seem able to wrap their head around being ok with being an American or just generally being ok with America. And that was cool. But then one very predictable fellow had to chime in with God Less America.......See that's about us. Those people need to go. Its not cool anymore. And for that I got banned and that pisses me off.
Those people need to go? Go take some Xanax or something.
What in the world makes you think I was debating...you? Or anyone here for that matter. I wouldnt waste my time debating with people who already have their minds made up. Not my purpose at t'all
I was trying to avoid this topic, but I feel like responding to a few of your points. Before I do though, I just want to say that you're not very good at debating, encinoman, brmlaw, last exodus, or whatever the fuck it is, because you seem to like to do this thing where you don't actually discuss the issue and instead you waste time accusing people of hating Jews or hating America or loving Iran or whatever weak rightwing argument you stole from the shitty media. If anything, this message board would not be that great seeing as how you are trying to silence people you disagree with. For example, I may disagree with you or jlew but I never actually think you should be banned for your views. It's just how you express them in such a remarkably shitty way that you get banned for it. And no, I don't really think this message board is that fucking serious, it's just a place to come when I'm bored to either discuss the band or read a few topics on MT. You're the one trying to give it more attention that it really needs. Anyway, before I waste more time...
Mostly fans of the band, allegedly, who were either European or Canadian or Australian came here to espouse their general views of contempt of the United States, or Israel. For some reason the latter seems to be an obsession over here.
You'd think instead of complaining about people who keep complaining about the US and Israel killing innocent people, one would just complain about the actual act of the US and Israel killing innocent people.
You would have thought that with Obama trotting the globe shaking hands and making friends and winding wars down the rhetoric would have calmed down. And largely it has.
Ok... you just contradicted yourself.
But what I found unnerving was the level of contempt and animosity for my country, as opposed to my President, that remains. Big f'n difference to me to me...Call my President an asshole and your talking about him. That's fine.
You're upset if someone says "America is killing innocent people in Afghanistan" and think one should say "Obama is killing innocent people in Afghanistan" instead? Is that it?
So out of morbid curiosity I start a thread called God Bless America...Let's see what the tempertaure is ya know? And nice to see most people seem able to wrap their head around being ok with being an American or just generally being ok with America. And that was cool. But then one very predictable fellow had to chime in with God Less America.......See that's about us. Those people need to go. Its not cool anymore. And for that I got banned and that pisses me off.
Those people need to go? Go take some Xanax or something.
George W is gone. All that's left are haters, extremists, anti-semites and freaks. Do we really need this anymore? Can we get back to music and the good life and kill the negativity thread? Im sure there's another home for all the malcontents. Join me in leaving the MT. Close it down!
Or you could just stop clicking on the the link....how about that?
I was trying to avoid this topic, but I feel like responding to a few of your points. Before I do though, I just want to say that you're not very good at debating, encinoman, brmlaw, last exodus, or whatever the fuck it is, because you seem to like to do this thing where you don't actually discuss the issue and instead you waste time accusing people of hating Jews or hating America or loving Iran or whatever weak rightwing argument you stole from the shitty media. If anything, this message board would not be that great seeing as how you are trying to silence people you disagree with. For example, I may disagree with you or jlew but I never actually think you should be banned for your views. It's just how you express them in such a remarkably shitty way that you get banned for it. And no, I don't really think this message board is that fucking serious, it's just a place to come when I'm bored to either discuss the band or read a few topics on MT. You're the one trying to give it more attention that it really needs. Anyway, before I waste more time...
Mostly fans of the band, allegedly, who were either European or Canadian or Australian came here to espouse their general views of contempt of the United States, or Israel. For some reason the latter seems to be an obsession over here.
You'd think instead of complaining about people who keep complaining about the US and Israel killing innocent people, one would just complain about the actual act of the US and Israel killing innocent people.
You would have thought that with Obama trotting the globe shaking hands and making friends and winding wars down the rhetoric would have calmed down. And largely it has.
Ok... you just contradicted yourself.
But what I found unnerving was the level of contempt and animosity for my country, as opposed to my President, that remains. Big f'n difference to me to me...Call my President an asshole and your talking about him. That's fine.
You're upset if someone says "America is killing innocent people in Afghanistan" and think one should say "Obama is killing innocent people in Afghanistan" instead? Is that it?
So out of morbid curiosity I start a thread called God Bless America...Let's see what the tempertaure is ya know? And nice to see most people seem able to wrap their head around being ok with being an American or just generally being ok with America. And that was cool. But then one very predictable fellow had to chime in with God Less America.......See that's about us. Those people need to go. Its not cool anymore. And for that I got banned and that pisses me off.
Those people need to go? Go take some Xanax or something.
What in the world makes you think I was debating...you? Or anyone here for that matter. I wouldnt waste my time debating with people who already have their minds made up. Not my purpose at t'all
well, you said you can't walk away from a good fight....so you are saying you have no interest in debate but just to fight?
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
last exodus and the face were the same person, BRMLAW posted in the same way as those names, BRMLAW suddenly stops posting after a string of personal attacks and then encinoman joins complaining about being banned....even if he didn't post the names in another thread it woul dbe pretty obvious. i just don't understand why he would admit it in 1 thread then deny it in another while complaining about people not psting the truth?
don't compete; coexist
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
i still like this forum. not always, but most of the time. it usually is an informative read, and i appreciate reading others' pov, especially when they are vastly different from my own. i may not agree, but it's always good to gain a bit more understanding of someone else's perspective. personally, i think that's why this little place even exists....b/c pj/10c think that exchange of ideas is a good idea.
So out of morbid curiosity I start a thread called God Bless America...Let's see what the tempertaure is ya know? And nice to see most people seem able to wrap their head around being ok with being an American or just generally being ok with America. And that was cool. But then one very predictable fellow had to chime in with God Less America.......See that's about us. Those people need to go. Its not cool anymore. And for that I got banned and that pisses me off.
Why do they need to go? It's their prerogative. We are pretty reviled by a lot of people around the world. Banning them from message boards so you can pretend they don't exist isn't going to change that. And while you claim you were baiting them, you were the one that got baited. How, you ask? You played right into their hand because your absurd overreaction (what the hell does God Less America even mean and why the hell is it offensive? it sounds like something a southern patriot would shout to condemn secularism more than anything) to an asinine comment allows people like Byrnzie to validate their beliefs that we're all delusional rednecks. So YOU got baited my friend. Not Byrnzie. You could have ignored his post like the rest of us were doing and the thread would have rolled on as it was, aside from the baseball debate. But you had to make a big deal about it.
What in the world makes you think I was debating...you? Or anyone here for that matter. I wouldnt waste my time debating with people who already have their minds made up. Not my purpose at t'all
do you even know what a debate is? since when does a debate involve people who DON'T have their minds made up? that makes absolutely no fucking sense.
Why close it? There's always going to be social issues to discuss. I pop in and out depending on my mood, but keep it open. Even if I don't agree with someone, its still interesting to see what others think about things.
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George W is gone. All that's left are haters, extremists, anti-semites and freaks. Do we really need this anymore?
Of course we still need the MT! Right now we've got a president who is one hundred times worse than W was and who is going to absolutely ruin this country if more people don't wake up and realize that his slick speeches and insane policies is hiding the greatest threat to the US. The MT just gives one more option to those who have see through the BS to go out and explain the truth to those that have not.
So out of morbid curiosity I start a thread called God Bless America...Let's see what the tempertaure is ya know? And nice to see most people seem able to wrap their head around being ok with being an American or just generally being ok with America. And that was cool. But then one very predictable fellow had to chime in with God Less America.......See that's about us. Those people need to go. Its not cool anymore. And for that I got banned and that pisses me off.
With all fairness, encino... if this is really about God and our country (I still prefer it's rather about the world though, not just the country), try a little acceptance. If you can't do that, and God knows that we all have our moments, then try not to care! So people feel differently than you. That's a fact of life everywhere. You start a peaceful thread, it gathers all kinds of people together with different POVs. Isn't that good enough? We will NEVER all agree on one thing. Not on MT. And that's what makes it so interesting around here.
when you have a proposition, put a little fixin' on it!
when the world goes to shit, rock a little Barack on it!
then cry.
the same MrSmith from the old board? coolness
yeah, but im gonna try not to get involved with these batshit crazy loons again. i waste enough time every day!
unless Drifting or Roland forgot to take their meds again and need a dose of reality.
Roland wasn't able to afford a membership so he never came over from the free board. Driftin though...well um....heres around but um...yea. its hard to explain, it really is.
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you listed your prior screen names earlier. you post the same way as well so it is not difficult to figure out.
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
Actually... other than people saying they disagreed with the 'God Bless America' part, the greater majority of people posted positive traits of our nation. So, i saw lots of love for America on that thread.
The thread took a turn for the worst with your post about being banned and all of that.
From there, it was mostly negative regarding your attitude and the 'God Bless America' song being played at Baseball games.
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And why do people need to 'Change'? Change to what? I don't expect anyone to change... I'll accept them for who they are, regardless of their opinions. I don't expect anyone to change their views to be the same as mine. All i do is express things based upon the way that I see them... knowing people see the same thing from different viewpoints.
Hail, Hail!!!
I don't understand why you feel like you do, that when anyone speaks out about some injustice or wrong that they feel has been committed by the government, they are accused of hating America. They may not be in agreeance with the direction some things are heading in, but haters? Nar. I just don't see it. Patriotism has never been blind allegiance to people or policy. Patriotism is loyalty to an ideal - to principle. When i feel that an injustice has been committed, or our ideals or principles have been betrayed, i can't help but to speak out in defense of them. I speak out to preserve what I feel is great. I speak out because of what I love about this country, not out of hate. Don't you see this?
Well I've read some of your responses as well and was going to comment at how well reasoned and open minded your responses seem. Im reacting to a pattern of behavior that has existed in this part of the pit for years. Not just a single post or position of someone who doesn't agree with "the government". Whose fond of the of the government? Not me.
What bothers me about this place is that some people do in fact come here to do nothing but bash. Nothing this country does can ever be good enough. I abandoned this place a long time ago when W was still in office and this was a cauldron of rebellion. Good stuff most of it. But there was a good deal of malice and general.....scariness beneath it all.
But now i'm just baffled...This country just underwent a monumental change. A change that is having global significance and the bashing continues. It's just a few people now as opposed to dozens before or scores before. Mostly fans of the band, allegedly, who were either European or Canadian or Australian came here to espouse their general views of contempt of the United States, or Israel. For some reason the latter seems to be an obsession over here.
You would have thought that with Obama trotting the globe shaking hands and making friends and winding wars down the rhetoric would have calmed down. And largely it has. But what I found unnerving was the level of contempt and animosity for my country, as opposed to my President, that remains. Big f'n difference to me to me...Call my President an asshole and your talking about him. That's fine.
So out of morbid curiosity I start a thread called God Bless America...Let's see what the tempertaure is ya know? And nice to see most people seem able to wrap their head around being ok with being an American or just generally being ok with America. And that was cool. But then one very predictable fellow had to chime in with God Less America.......See that's about us. Those people need to go. Its not cool anymore. And for that I got banned and that pisses me off.
I always also try and keep in mind, that people are very, very passionate about some of the subjects that are dicussed here, so there is bound to be some tempers flaring.
I don't know if you were around when the old board closed, but one thing that was really heart warming for me, was seeing in the final days, people who had for years been in constant conflict with each other, being gracious and respective of each other. Complimenting each other, and genuinely wishing them well for the future. We just need to understand that peoples views are not a personal attack on us, just because they differ.
Hope that helps.
You'd think instead of complaining about people who keep complaining about the US and Israel killing innocent people, one would just complain about the actual act of the US and Israel killing innocent people.
Ok... you just contradicted yourself.
You're upset if someone says "America is killing innocent people in Afghanistan" and think one should say "Obama is killing innocent people in Afghanistan" instead? Is that it?
Those people need to go? Go take some Xanax or something.
Well I've read some of your responses as well and was going to comment at how well reasoned and open minded your responses seem. Im reacting to a pattern of behavior that has existed in this part of the pit for years. Not just a single post or position of someone who doesn't agree with "the government". Whose fond of the of the government? Not me.
What bothers me about this place is that some people do in fact come here to do nothing but bash. Nothing this country does can ever be good enough. I abandoned this place a long time ago when W was still in office and this was a cauldron of rebellion. Good stuff most of it. But there was a good deal of malice and general.....scariness beneath it all.
But now i'm just baffled...This country just underwent a monumental change. A change that is having global significance and the bashing continues. It's just a few people now as opposed to dozens before or scores before. Mostly fans of the band, allegedly, who were either European or Canadian or Australian came here to espouse their general views of contempt of the United States, or Israel. For some reason the latter seems to be an obsession over here.
You would have thought that with Obama trotting the globe shaking hands and making friends and winding wars down the rhetoric would have calmed down. And largely it has. But what I found unnerving was the level of contempt and animosity for my country, as opposed to my President, that remains. Big f'n difference to me to me...Call my President an asshole and your talking about him. That's fine.
So out of morbid curiosity I start a thread called God Bless America...Let's see what the tempertaure is ya know? And nice to see most people seem able to wrap their head around being ok with being an American or just generally being ok with America. And that was cool. But then one very predictable fellow had to chime in with God Less America.......See that's about us. Those people need to go. Its not cool anymore. And for that I got banned and that pisses me off.[/quote]
I know it's easier said than done, but you just have try and switch off if you find someone particulary irritating and you obviously are not making any grounds with them when you debate. If you present your thoughts respectfully, and they do theirs, and they differ, we just have to accept that people disagree. We are never going to all feel the same on everything. I have actually learned so much from people who do have different views from me.
I always also try and keep in mind, that people are very, very passionate about some of the subjects that are dicussed here, so there is bound to be some tempers flaring.
I don't know if you were around when the old board closed, but one thing that was really heart warming for me, was seeing in the final days, people who had for years been in constant conflict with each other, being gracious and respective of each other. Complimenting each other, and genuinely wishing them well for the future. We just need to understand that peoples views are not a personal attack on us, just because they differ.
Hope that helps.[/quote]
Thats all very sane and rational and typically if its a subject that I am not passionate about I could give a fart. A couple of things just rub me wrong...Ya know? And im not really the walk away from a good fight type. Even if that means running afoul of the powers that be. I think thats all in the spirit. But I hear ya.
Here's my other little pet peeve and ill leave it there. Im a real stickler for history. There seems to be a fair amount of young people who come in here and read some of this garbage that people with their cut and paste try to pass off as news followed by more cut and paste of their view of history and it's just fucking wrong! I cant walk away from that. If your gonna go gonzo public with your personal political historical rants, at least get it right....Bugs me.
What in the world makes you think I was debating...you? Or anyone here for that matter. I wouldnt waste my time debating with people who already have their minds made up. Not my purpose at t'all
Here's exhibit A....
Or you could just stop clicking on the the link....how about that?
well, you said you can't walk away from a good fight....so you are saying you have no interest in debate but just to fight?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
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last exodus and the face were the same person, BRMLAW posted in the same way as those names, BRMLAW suddenly stops posting after a string of personal attacks and then encinoman joins complaining about being banned....even if he didn't post the names in another thread it woul dbe pretty obvious. i just don't understand why he would admit it in 1 thread then deny it in another while complaining about people not psting the truth?
what are you but my reflection? who am i to judge or strike you down?
"I will promise you this, that if we have not gotten our troops out by the time I am president, it is the first thing I will do. I will get our troops home. We will bring an end to this war. You can take that to the bank." - Barack Obama
when you told me 'if you can't beat 'em, join 'em'
i was thinkin 'death before dishonor'
i'm the most hated person thats ever been born. just confirmed about ten minutes ago.
i still like this forum. not always, but most of the time. it usually is an informative read, and i appreciate reading others' pov, especially when they are vastly different from my own. i may not agree, but it's always good to gain a bit more understanding of someone else's perspective. personally, i think that's why this little place even exists....b/c pj/10c think that exchange of ideas is a good idea.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Why do they need to go? It's their prerogative. We are pretty reviled by a lot of people around the world. Banning them from message boards so you can pretend they don't exist isn't going to change that. And while you claim you were baiting them, you were the one that got baited. How, you ask? You played right into their hand because your absurd overreaction (what the hell does God Less America even mean and why the hell is it offensive? it sounds like something a southern patriot would shout to condemn secularism more than anything) to an asinine comment allows people like Byrnzie to validate their beliefs that we're all delusional rednecks. So YOU got baited my friend. Not Byrnzie. You could have ignored his post like the rest of us were doing and the thread would have rolled on as it was, aside from the baseball debate. But you had to make a big deal about it.
By someone here?
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Of course we still need the MT! Right now we've got a president who is one hundred times worse than W was and who is going to absolutely ruin this country if more people don't wake up and realize that his slick speeches and insane policies is hiding the greatest threat to the US. The MT just gives one more option to those who have see through the BS to go out and explain the truth to those that have not.
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then cry.
the same MrSmith from the old board? coolness
unless Drifting or Roland forgot to take their meds again and need a dose of reality.
Roland wasn't able to afford a membership so he never came over from the free board. Driftin though...well um....heres around but um...yea. its hard to explain, it really is.