Iran tear gases those who embrace freedom

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

the people vote, everyone and every party has a chance of getting into office.

Name one party that has a realistic chance of getting to office other than the Democrats and Republicans.

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

the people vote, everyone and every party has a chance of getting into office.

Name one party that has a realistic chance of getting to office other than the Democrats and Republicans.

they all do. the people have the power here in America. the government is powerless to shut us up. just because you dont like dems and republicans, doesnt mean we are any less free. get it? if you would like to continue being made a fool of, then start a new thread on how you feel America isnt free. and me, soul, and countless others will run circles around you.

now, how do you feel about the Iranian government killing protectors and shooting them with tear gas at them?


stop derailing the thread.

Pepe Silvia

Byrnzie wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

but what the fuck does any of your post have to do with Iran?

I was about to ask the 90% of posters on this thread what the Iranian demonstrations have to do with America, seeing as 90% of posts here mention the U.S.

You see, you like to try and pretend that America is a shining beacon of justice and freedom in the world. All I'm saying is that is pure horseshit.

have you seen the doc Berkeley in the '60's? it shows a nonviolent protest being surrounded by cops and military with gas masks and as they close the circle inwards towards the protesters a helicopter flies over and drops tear gas on the protesters then they law enforcement (sic) swarms in, batons flailing away....

you could also mention how non violent protesters of the Iraq invasion were put on terrorist lists and i'm sure people will say wtf does this have to do with Iran? i ask similar questions when my threads are hijacked and derailed by off topic posts by the very same people.....

Pepe Silvia

jlew24asu wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

I was about to ask the 90% of posters on this thread what the Iranian demonstrations have to do with America, seeing as 90% of posts here mention the U.S.

I made a reference how I wish America was friends with Iran. I said this based on Open's post knowing he is Iranian. you dont mind if an American and an Iranian have a discussion about Iran/America relates do you?

now you know.

Byrnzie wrote:

You see, you like to try and pretend that America is a shining beacon of justice and freedom in the world. All I'm saying is that is pure horseshit.

why is it pure bullshit? because a protester was shot by some asshole cop with an itchy trigger finger 30 years ago?

America absolutely is a beacon of freedom in this world.


que wiki link of the Patriot Act. :roll:

they were actually killed by the national guard, they as in there were 4 killed that day

where has this beacon shined freedom in the past 30 years? i see more creating, funding, arming, training...death squads or bombing the fuck out of them (with poisonous rounds and never cleaning it up) when they stopped doing what we told them rather than freeing oppressed people

in fact if you look at our past 5 wars/operations 4 of them were situations we helped create

Pepe Silvia

jlew24asu wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

the people vote, everyone and every party has a chance of getting into office.

Name one party that has a realistic chance of getting to office other than the Democrats and Republicans.

they all do. the people have the power here in America. the government is powerless to shut us up. just because you dont like dems and republicans, doesnt mean we are any less free. get it? if you would like to continue being made a fool of, then start a new thread on how you feel America isnt free. and me, soul, and countless others will run circles around you.

what year was the last non R or D elected preisdent, jlew?

answer: 1850

if you think any other party has as an equal shot like the corporate duopoly maybe you should read up on the commission on presidential debates, especially the book 'No Debate' where the people who run it admit they only care to push the agendas of the 2 major parties and 3rd parties just get in the way of things

jlew24asu

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

Byrnzie wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

but what the fuck does any of your post have to do with Iran?

I was about to ask the 90% of posters on this thread what the Iranian demonstrations have to do with America, seeing as 90% of posts here mention the U.S.

You see, you like to try and pretend that America is a shining beacon of justice and freedom in the world. All I'm saying is that is pure horseshit.

have you seen the doc Berkeley in the '60's? it shows a nonviolent protest being surrounded by cops and military with gas masks and as they close the circle inwards towards the protesters a helicopter flies over and drops tear gas on the protesters then they law enforcement (sic) swarms in, batons flailing away....

you could also mention how non violent protesters of the Iraq invasion were put on terrorist lists and i'm sure people will say wtf does this have to do with Iran? i ask similar questions when my threads are hijacked and derailed by off topic posts by the very same people.....

are we really going to talk about what happened in America 40 years ago? or what is happening in Iran TODAY?

jlew24asu

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

what year was the last non R or D elected preisdent, jlew?

answer: 1850

if you think any other party has as an equal shot like the corporate duopoly maybe you should read up on the commission on presidential debates, especially the book 'No Debate' where the people who run it admit they only care to push the agendas of the 2 major parties and 3rd parties just get in the way of things

how does this make our society any less free? EVERYONE has a voice. just because you dont like the outcome, doesnt mean we are not living in freedom.

almost all of people's values, social, ad political beliefs can be summed up with democratic or republican. so what? third party candidates have a very loud voice. they just happen to be in the minority.

Pepe Silvia

jlew24asu wrote:

are we really going to talk about what happened in America 40 years ago? or what is happening in Iran TODAY?

i feel your pain, i constantly wonder why you and BRMLAW constantly bring up the holocaust and list other countries that torture in Byrnzie and my threads on Gaza

soulsinging

Byrnzie wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

the people vote, everyone and every party has a chance of getting into office.

Name one party that has a realistic chance of getting to office other than the Democrats and Republicans.

There are a fair amount of Libertarians in local and statewide offices around the country. We've had a handful of independent governors and congressmen as well.

Pepe Silvia

jlew24asu wrote:

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

what year was the last non R or D elected preisdent, jlew?

answer: 1850

if you think any other party has as an equal shot like the corporate duopoly maybe you should read up on the commission on presidential debates, especially the book 'No Debate' where the people who run it admit they only care to push the agendas of the 2 major parties and 3rd parties just get in the way of things

how does this make our society any less free? EVERYONE has a voice. just because you dont like the outcome, doesnt mean we are not living in freedom.

almost all of people's values, social, ad political beliefs can be summed up with democratic or republican. so what? third party candidates have a very loud voice. they just happen to be in the minority.

you said they all have a chance and that is just not true, the very people who control the presidential debates state they are only concerned with pushing the agenda of the 2 major parties and everyone else just gets in the way of that.....not sure how they have an equal shot, as you claim, with this going on, kinda hard for them to get a lot of support when they are prevented from being in the debates and most media coverage is to make them look crazy. like when stepananpolous or whatever his name is, when he interviewed people during the primaries he was all nice and respectful to the major candidates but ones like Paul, Kucinich, Gravel....he constatnly asked questions like 'you know you can't possibly win, don't you???'

jlew24asu

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

what year was the last non R or D elected preisdent, jlew?

answer: 1850

if you think any other party has as an equal shot like the corporate duopoly maybe you should read up on the commission on presidential debates, especially the book 'No Debate' where the people who run it admit they only care to push the agendas of the 2 major parties and 3rd parties just get in the way of things

how does this make our society any less free? EVERYONE has a voice. just because you dont like the outcome, doesnt mean we are not living in freedom.

almost all of people's values, social, ad political beliefs can be summed up with democratic or republican. so what? third party candidates have a very loud voice. they just happen to be in the minority.

you said they all have a chance and that is just not true, the very people who control the presidential debates state they are only concerned with pushing the agenda of the 2 major parties and everyone else just gets in the way of that.....not sure how they have an equal shot, as you claim, with this going on, kinda hard for them to get a lot of support when they are prevented from being in the debates and most media coverage is to make them look crazy. like when stepananpolous or whatever his name is, when he interviewed people during the primaries he was all nice and respectful to the major candidates but ones like Paul, Kucinich, Gravel....he constatnly asked questions like 'you know you can't possibly win, don't you???'

they absolutely have the same chance as anyone else. you know what they need? support of the American voter. and right now, third party candidates just dont have it. we are still the most free country on earth. now stop derailing this thread. if you want to discuss the American electoral process, make a new thread. I'll be happy to discuss it with you. ok?