Iran tear gases those who embrace freedom

jlew24asu

how nice. revolution worked in 79, sure would be nice if they can do it now.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090717/ap_ ... n_election

Police tear-gas Iran protesters during prayer

TEHRAN, Iran – Tens of thousands of opposition supporters packed Iran's main Islamic prayer sermon Friday, chanting "freedom, freedom" and other slogans as their top clerical supporter Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani delivered a sermon sharply criticizing the country's leadership over the crackdown on election protests.

Outside Tehran University, where the prayers were held, pro-government Basiji militiamen in front of a line of riot police fired tear gas at hundreds of opposition protesters who chanted "death to the dictator" and called on President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to resign. Some protesters kicked away the tear gas cannisters as others scattered and regrouped.

The opposition aimed to turn the Friday prayers into a show of their continued strength despite heavy government suppression since the disputed June 12 presidential election. Opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi, who claims to have won the election, sat in the front row of worshippers, attending for the first time since the turmoil began. Many of the tens of thousands at the prayers wore headbands or wristbands in his campaign color green, or had green prayer rugs.

ajedigecko

surely it was not tear gas................i could see a balanced country such as iran using a gas that is much more condusive to civil stability, not sure what the gas would be called, but i doubt it was tear gas.

besides.......the moving train is a place to discuss all things that are wrong with western culture.

Open

jlew24asu wrote:

how nice. revolution worked in 79, sure would be nice if they can do it now.

We actually agree who would have thought...

jlew24asu

Open wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

how nice. revolution worked in 79, sure would be nice if they can do it now.

We actually agree who would have thought...

I want nothing more then to be friends with Iran. I feel there is a young generation in that country that really wants to embrace democracy, freedom, and friendship with the US. pretty much the complete opposite of those currently running the country from 79.

BRMLAW

Undoubtedly Mossad agents posing as Iranian security

Byrnzie

If only every country in the world could follow the example of the U.S! :roll:

Look what happened when protesters in America turned up the volume just a bit too much:



And the U.S has set such a good example to the world with it's magnanimous foreign policy hasn't it?

Vietnam
Panama
Guatemala
Chile
Nicaragua
Haiti
Iraq
e.t.c, e.t.c......

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

If only every country in the world could follow the example of the U.S! :roll:

Look what happened when protesters in America turned up the volume just a bit too much:



And the U.S has set such a good example to the world with it's magnanimous foreign policy hasn't it?

Vietnam
Panama
Guatemala
Chile
Nicaragua
Haiti
Iraq
e.t.c, e.t.c......

keep "chewing on that crumb". you have posted this picture SEVERAL times whenever violence against protesters comes up. the ONE time the killing has happened in the history of American protests. :roll:

yet during one day, not only a a month ago, the Iran government killed 7 people.

but you dont have any anti American bias right?




but what the fuck does any of your post have to do with Iran?

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

but what the fuck does any of your post have to do with Iran?

I was about to ask the 90% of posters on this thread what the Iranian demonstrations have to do with America, seeing as 90% of posts here mention the U.S.

You see, you like to try and pretend that America is a shining beacon of justice and freedom in the world. All I'm saying is that is pure horseshit.

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

I was about to ask the 90% of posters on this thread what the Iranian demonstrations have to do with America, seeing as 90% of posts here mention the U.S.

I made a reference how I wish America was friends with Iran. I said this based on Open's post knowing he is Iranian. you dont mind if an American and an Iranian have a discussion about Iran/America relates do you?

now you know.

Byrnzie wrote:

You see, you like to try and pretend that America is a shining beacon of justice and freedom in the world. All I'm saying is that is pure horseshit.

why is it pure bullshit? because a protester was shot by some asshole cop with an itchy trigger finger 30 years ago?

America absolutely is a beacon of freedom in this world.


que wiki link of the Patriot Act. :roll:

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

because a protester was shot by some asshole cop with an itchy trigger finger 30 years ago?

Is that what happened? Just 'a protester shot by some asshole cop with an itchy trigger finger'?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kent_State_shootings
Killed (and approximate distance from the National Guard):

* Jeffrey Glen Miller 265 ft (81 m) shot through the mouth - killed instantly
* Allison Krause 343 ft (105 m) fatal left chest wound
* William Knox Schroeder 382 ft (116 m) fatal chest wound
* Sandra Lee Scheuer 390 ft (120 m) fatal neck wound

Wounded (and approximate distance from the National Guard):

* Joseph Lewis Jr. 71 ft (22 m); hit twice in the right abdomen and left lower leg
* John R. Cleary 110 ft (34 m); upper left chest wound
* Thomas Mark Grace 225 ft (69 m); struck in left ankle
* Alan Canfora 225 ft (69 m); hit in his right wrist
* Dean Kahler 300 ft (91 m); back wound fracturing the vertebrae - permanently paralyzed from the chest down
* Douglas A. Wrentmore 329 ft (100 m); hit in his right knee
* James Dennis Russell 375 ft (114 m); hit in his right thigh from a bullet and in the right forehead by birdshot - both wounds minor {died 2007}
* Robert F. Stamps 495 ft (151 m); hit in his right buttock {died June 11, 2008}
* Donald Scott MacKenzie 750 ft (230 m); neck wound


Ten days after the Kent State shootings, on May 14, two students were killed by police at the historically black Jackson State University under similar circumstances, but that event did not arouse the same nationwide attention as the Kent State shootings...

In May 2007, Alan Canfora, one of the injured protestors, demanded that the case be reopened, having found an audiotape in a Yale University government archive allegedly recording an order to fire ("Right here! Get Set! Point! Fire!") just before the 13 second volley of shots...

According to recently released FBI reports,[citation needed] one part-time student, Terry Norman, was already noted by student protesters as an informant for both campus police and the Akron FBI branch. Norman was present during the May 4 protests, taking photographs to identify student leaders,[33] while carrying a sidearm and wearing a gas mask.

In 1970, FBI director J. Edgar Hoover responded to questions from then-Congressman John Ashbrook by denying that Norman had ever worked for the FBI, a statement Norman himself disputed.[34] On 13 August 1973, Indiana Senator Birch Bayh sent a memo to then-governor of Ohio, John J. Gilligan, suggesting that Norman may have fired the first shot, based on testimony he received from Guardsmen who claimed that a gunshot fired from the vicinity of the protesters instigated the Guard to open fire on the students.

jlew24asu wrote:

America absolutely is a beacon of freedom in this world.


que wiki link of the Patriot Act. :roll:

The Patriot act has little bearing on the destruction and suffering that U.S foreign policy has caused in the world.

America isn't a beacon of freedom in this world. That's just what Americans believe. The truth is somewhat different.

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

Is that what happened? Just 'a protester shot by some asshole cop with an itchy trigger finger'?

keep chewing on that crumb :roll:

is blue your new color of the week? it does nothing to further you point. just thought you should know.

Byrnzie wrote:

The Patriot act has little bearing on the destruction and suffering that U.S foreign policy has caused in the world.

America isn't a beacon of freedom in this world. That's just what Americans believe. The truth is somewhat different.

what is the truth? America is a beacon of freedom based on how we are allowed to live in this country. this has nothing to do with US foreign policy. we embrace and practice freedom in America. China should follow our example...they are very suppressive towards freedom, in many ways....and something you blindly support for no other reason but "they are not the US"

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

is blue your new color of the week? it does nothing to further you point. just thought you should know.

Nice way of avoiding addressing the contents of my post by resorting to juvenile bullshit instead.

jlew24asu wrote:

America is a beacon of freedom based on how we are allowed to live in this country. this has nothing to do with US foreign policy. we embrace and practice freedom in America.

You're allowed to cast a vote every four years and get to decide between two different shades of the same shit.
And you then sing about how free you are.
You live in a fantasy world.

jlew24asu wrote:

China should follow our example...they are very suppressive towards freedom, in many ways....and something you blindly support for no other reason but "they are not the US"

So I blindly support China's human rights abuses? O.k, if my support for China's human rights is so blatant and obvious then you won't have any trouble providing an example of it here for everyone to see will you?

I'm waiting.

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

Nice way of avoiding addressing the contents of my post by resorting to juvenile bullshit instead.

the contents of the post have nothing to do with this thread.

Byrnzie wrote:

You're allowed to cast a vote every four years and get to decide between two different shades of the same shit.
And you then sing about how free you are.
You live in a fantasy world.

at its peak there was 32 presidential candidates in 2008. ANYONE in this country can run for president. EVERYONE in this country has a voice. EVERYONE is allowed to criticize the government. you do not live in America, you really do not have a pulse for what its like besides what you see on TV and read online. and being in China, that is very limited. but yet you are an expert on America and our freedoms.



I am not living in a dream world, you are living in denial.

Byrnzie wrote:

So I blindly support China's human rights abuses? O.k, if my support for China's human rights is so blatent and obvious then provide an example of it here for everyone to see.

I'm waiting.

you live there. you support the government by paying taxes. you do not protest China's human rights abuses. and that mostly because you can't. you would be throw in jail with no trail or rights for as long as they want.

BRMLAW

jlew24asu wrote:

how nice. revolution worked in 79, sure would be nice if they can do it now.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090717/ap_ ... n_election

Police tear-gas Iran protesters during prayer

TEHRAN, Iran – Tens of thousands of opposition supporters packed Iran's main Islamic prayer sermon Friday, chanting "freedom, freedom" and other slogans as their top clerical supporter Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani delivered a sermon sharply criticizing the country's leadership over the crackdown on election protests.

Outside Tehran University, where the prayers were held, pro-government Basiji militiamen in front of a line of riot police fired tear gas at hundreds of opposition protesters who chanted "death to the dictator" and called on President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad to resign. Some protesters kicked away the tear gas cannisters as others scattered and regrouped.

The opposition aimed to turn the Friday prayers into a show of their continued strength despite heavy government suppression since the disputed June 12 presidential election. Opposition leader Mir Hossein Mousavi, who claims to have won the election, sat in the front row of worshippers, attending for the first time since the turmoil began. Many of the tens of thousands at the prayers wore headbands or wristbands in his campaign color green, or had green prayer rugs.

Well Im sure somehow its our fault. It was the CIA who dunnit!

BRMLAW

Byrnzie wrote:

If only every country in the world could follow the example of the U.S! :roll:

Look what happened when protesters in America turned up the volume just a bit too much:



And the U.S has set such a good example to the world with it's magnanimous foreign policy hasn't it?

Vietnam
Panama
Guatemala
Chile
Nicaragua
Haiti
Iraq
e.t.c, e.t.c......

Your not even worthy of skin. Just a douche. Youre enjoying the freedom of this American band's board full of Americans who give your freedom to speak your load of horseshit on here. I for one would love for you to bend over and kiss your own limey ass.

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

at its peak there was 32 presidential candidates in 2008. ANYONE in this country can run for president. EVERYONE in this country has a voice. EVERYONE is allowed to criticize the government. you do not live in America, you really do not have a pulse for what its like besides what you see on TV and read online. and being in China, that is very limited. but yet you are an expert on America and our freedoms.

32 Presidential candidates, and how many political parties?

Byrnzie wrote:

So I blindly support China's human rights abuses? O.k, if my support for China's human rights is so blatent and obvious then provide an example of it here for everyone to see.

I'm waiting.

jlew24asu wrote:

you live there. you support the government by paying taxes.

So all of those Iranian protesters who you are championing support the current Iranian government because they pay taxes?

Byrnzie wrote:

you do not protest China's human rights abuses. and that mostly because you can't. you would be throw in jail with no trail or rights for as long as they want.

Like those prisoners at Guantanamo Bay??

Byrnzie

BRMLAW wrote:

Your not even worthy of skin. Just a douche. Youre enjoying the freedom of this American band's board full of Americans who give your freedom to speak your load of horseshit on here. I for one would love for you to bend over and kiss your own limey ass.

Wow! Tough guy!

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

jlew24asu wrote:

at its peak there was 32 presidential candidates in 2008. ANYONE in this country can run for president. EVERYONE in this country has a voice. EVERYONE is allowed to criticize the government. you do not live in America, you really do not have a pulse for what its like besides what you see on TV and read online. and being in China, that is very limited. but yet you are an expert on America and our freedoms.

32 Presidential candidates, and how many political parties?

5 off the top of my head. I'm sure I'm missing some. and even better, anyone is allowed to start their own political party.

Independant
Democrat
Republican
Green Party
Libertarian

here is a more in depth list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_po ... ted_States

Byrnzie wrote:

So all of those Iranian protesters who you are championing support the current Iranian government because they pay taxes?

no, last I checked, protestors do not support the government. you are not protesting shit in China.

Byrnzie wrote:

you do not protest China's human rights abuses. and that mostly because you can't. you would be throw in jail with no trail or rights for as long as they want.

Like those prisoners at Guantanamo Bay??[/quote]

what does this have anything do to with you not having the right to oppose the Chinese government?

Byrnzie

jlew24asu wrote:

5 off the top of my head. I'm sure I'm missing some. and even better, anyone is allowed to start their own political party.

Independant
Democrat
Republican
Green Party
Libertarian

here is a more in depth list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_po ... ted_States

And how many of these parties stand a realistic chance of getting into office? I count two. Wow! That's freedom in action folks! Whoever has the most cash wins! Whoopee! The land of the free!

Byrnzie wrote:

So all of those Iranian protesters who you are championing support the current Iranian government because they pay taxes?

jlew24asu wrote:

no, last I checked, protestors do not support the government. you are not protesting shit in China.

you do not protest China's human rights abuses. and that mostly because you can't. you would be throw in jail with no trail or rights for as long as they want.

Byrnzie wrote:

Like those prisoners at Guantanamo Bay??

jlew24asu wrote:

what does this have anything do to with you not having the right to oppose the Chinese government?

It has everything to do with you pretending to be on some moral high-ground.

jlew24asu

Byrnzie wrote:

And how many of these parties stand a realistic chance of getting into office? I count two. Wow! That's freedom in action folks! Whoever has the most cash wins! Whoopee! The land of the free!

you asked how many political parties there are. I gave you an answer that you probably had NO idea about.

the people vote, everyone and every party has a chance of getting into office. 30 or even 20 years ago the whisper of an African America president would have been unheard of. guess what...o yea.

Byrnzie wrote:

It has everything to do with you pretending to be on some moral high-ground.

compared to countries like China and Iran, we are.

jlew24asu

well my work is done here.