When do you ever know your seat location before you have the tickets in hand? They have to sort these things too, it would be a big fn hassle to respond to "What is my seat number?" requests every day until the show.
So you poop in your pants until the date of the show with some doubt in your mind that there won't even be tickets at the window when you arrive to collect them.
Wait... actually, I think it's so you can't sell your primo seats on ebay or somewhere else....
When do you ever know your seat location before you have the tickets in hand? They have to sort these things too, it would be a big fn hassle to respond to "What is my seat number?" requests every day until the show.
Sure this is true for pearl jam. But I have been to many shows where its a set location, Row X Seat Y and so on. And I assume when people buy on Ticketmaster it wont say "Ticket location to be decided on day of show". It will have a Row and Seat number. So I dont really understand the statement "When do you ever know your seat location". I know it for many bands. Any band that isnt doing GA shows, you can count on them when you buy a ticket saying your location is so and so.
Again, I am not complaining. I am merely asking the question why. And the response that this is because of scalping makes sense
And I assume when people buy on Ticketmaster it wont say "Ticket location to be decided on day of show". It will have a Row and Seat number. So I dont really understand the statement "When do you ever know your seat location". I know it for many bands. Any band that isnt doing GA shows, you can count on them when you buy a ticket saying your location is so and so.
Again, I am not complaining. I am merely asking the question why. And the response that this is because of scalping makes sense
Again, you only know your ticket location when you have your tickets in hand, whether you download them from ticketmaster or not. If you get them mailed to you they DO NOT tell you your seats before you get the tickets. EVER.
Also why isn't it being a big fucking pain in the ass to tell everyone their seat assignments good enough for you?
And I assume when people buy on Ticketmaster it wont say "Ticket location to be decided on day of show". It will have a Row and Seat number. So I dont really understand the statement "When do you ever know your seat location". I know it for many bands. Any band that isnt doing GA shows, you can count on them when you buy a ticket saying your location is so and so.
Again, I am not complaining. I am merely asking the question why. And the response that this is because of scalping makes sense
Again, you only know your ticket location when you have your tickets in hand, whether you download them from ticketmaster or not. If you get them mailed to you they DO NOT tell you your seats before you get the tickets. EVER.
Also why isn't it being a big fucking pain in the ass to tell everyone their seat assignments good enough for you?
This is simply not true. When you buy a ticket from TM, you get to see the seat location before you commit to the purchase. It's also in the purchase summary and in the email confirmation that you receive. With that said, I think the 10c policy of not disclosing seat location until tix are in hand is good because as others have mentioned, it prevents scalping. Also, they aren't able to disclose ticket location at the time of purchase like TM because it isn't assigned yet (based on seniority, rows 1-2 and 9-10 random, etc), so to then go back and disclose everyone's seat location well after the purchase would be a royal pain in the ass.
And I assume when people buy on Ticketmaster it wont say "Ticket location to be decided on day of show". It will have a Row and Seat number. So I dont really understand the statement "When do you ever know your seat location". I know it for many bands. Any band that isnt doing GA shows, you can count on them when you buy a ticket saying your location is so and so.
Again, I am not complaining. I am merely asking the question why. And the response that this is because of scalping makes sense
Again, you only know your ticket location when you have your tickets in hand, whether you download them from ticketmaster or not. If you get them mailed to you they DO NOT tell you your seats before you get the tickets. EVER.
Also why isn't it being a big fucking pain in the ass to tell everyone their seat assignments good enough for you?
Your obviously high. I bought tickets to see The Boss at the Rose Garden in Portland oRegon in 2007. It was and remains the biggest attendend show I have ever seen. Tickets were bought through Ticketmaster. And as The Rose Garden is a stadium, a basketball arena their are obviously seats all around. When I bought tickets the tickets didnt say "location of seat to be determined day of show". I know that. Positively. I know this because I remember posting on the Bruce board that I was worried that the section I got, which was up aways, would be a bad vantage point and that I couldnt see Bruce.
I also know this because I assume I am not the only person who does this. I know that many times, when you buy tickets you have options of course. One of them, is to click buy tickets obviously, the other is to try your luck and clear your cart or whatever they call it on Ticketmaster and hope that if you start over that you get better seats next time.
Additionally I saw Arcade Fire in Portland in 2007. I know they told me my seat location prior to the show. I know this positively. I know this because I posted on the Arcade Fire board when I purchased tickets. I was again worried that my seat location wasnt good, as it was in the back of the venue.
Again, any show that isnt GA will tell you your seat location when you buy tickets.
to prove my point further, I considered going to see the Peppers at the Rose Garden in 2006. I got to the sale late, and I remember that what was being offered were seats in the upper tiers, way up in the top of the arena. I decided not to go. Whether that was a good decision or not, who knows, but the point is, the reason I didnt go, was because I knew my seat location before hand.
And I assume when people buy on Ticketmaster it wont say "Ticket location to be decided on day of show". It will have a Row and Seat number. So I dont really understand the statement "When do you ever know your seat location". I know it for many bands. Any band that isnt doing GA shows, you can count on them when you buy a ticket saying your location is so and so.
Again, I am not complaining. I am merely asking the question why. And the response that this is because of scalping makes sense
Again, you only know your ticket location when you have your tickets in hand, whether you download them from ticketmaster or not. If you get them mailed to you they DO NOT tell you your seats before you get the tickets. EVER.
Also why isn't it being a big fucking pain in the ass to tell everyone their seat assignments good enough for you?
What are you talking about? Ticketmaster tells your your exact seat locations before you even buy the tickets.
PJ does it this way to curb scalping of the fan club tickets.
additionally i keep saying any show that isnt GA you will know the location beforehand. Thats not true. Any show, you will know your seat location before you buy tickets. Whether its GA or not. When you by tickets for GA, it says it before you buy tickets and on the physical ticket itself.
Again, you only know your ticket location when you have your tickets in hand, whether you download them from ticketmaster or not. If you get them mailed to you they DO NOT tell you your seats before you get the tickets. EVER.
Also why isn't it being a big fucking pain in the ass to tell everyone their seat assignments good enough for you?
Solarworld,
You, sir, are wrong. This is like the third post of yours I've responded to in the last two days. Why do you have to be so mean to everyone? You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch.
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additionally i keep saying any show that isnt GA you will know the location beforehand. Thats not true. Any show, you will know your seat location before you buy tickets. Whether its GA or not. When you by tickets for GA, it says it before you buy tickets and on the physical ticket itself.
Usually this is true, but not so for some other presales. Phish uses a lottery similar to how the 10 Club tickets were sold for Ed's most recent solo tour (minus the one show limit). When I requested tickets I did not know what seats I would get if I was selected, but I did know once I was charged and before the tickets were delivered. This year they ended up being for the lawn at the show I went to, but when I got tickets in 2003 for the same venue (using the same method of ticket requests) they were reserved seats and I knew again where the seats were before the tickets were delivered, but not until after I was charged.
And I assume when people buy on Ticketmaster it wont say "Ticket location to be decided on day of show". It will have a Row and Seat number. So I dont really understand the statement "When do you ever know your seat location". I know it for many bands. Any band that isnt doing GA shows, you can count on them when you buy a ticket saying your location is so and so.
Again, I am not complaining. I am merely asking the question why. And the response that this is because of scalping makes sense
Again, you only know your ticket location when you have your tickets in hand, whether you download them from ticketmaster or not. If you get them mailed to you they DO NOT tell you your seats before you get the tickets. EVER.
Also why isn't it being a big fucking pain in the ass to tell everyone their seat assignments good enough for you?
This is 100% not true. have you ever bought tickets to a non-GA concert before? TM always shows you your seat location before you even purchase them.
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West Palm Beach 2008
Tampa 2008
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Columbus 2010
The problem with not knowing your seat locations is that some of us would be willing to pay more for better seats. If you don't know which seats you already have, it's impossible to tell if those tickets you are eyeing on ebay or stubhub are worth it to you. To use a current example, if I knew the tickets in my hand for Chicago are floor level tickets, I wouldn't bother considering the $2,000+ to get the same kinds of tickets from stubub.
It's a bad policy. There are better ways to crack down on scalpers if that is the reason.
The problem with not knowing your seat locations is that some of us would be willing to pay more for better seats. If you don't know which seats you already have, it's impossible to tell if those tickets you are eyeing on ebay or stubhub are worth it to you. To use a current example, if I knew the tickets in my hand for Chicago are floor level tickets, I wouldn't bother considering the $2,000+ to get the same kinds of tickets from stubub.
It's a bad policy. There are better ways to crack down on scalpers if that is the reason.
The problem with buying from scalpers is it supports and encourages them to continue scalping tickets.
It would be too much of a hassle for the 10C to email people with seat locations.
Also, imagine how many people would complain if their seat locations weren't as good as they expected.
I get that. Sort of.
If they e-mailed people their seat locations how would people get ideas that their seats were better or worse to be expected? Wouldnt they know the exact location?
It would be too much of a hassle for the 10C to email people with seat locations.
Also, imagine how many people would complain if their seat locations weren't as good as they expected.
I get that. Sort of.
If they e-mailed people their seat locations how would people get ideas that their seats were better or worse to be expected? Wouldnt they know the exact location?
Just look at some old threads where people complain about their seats. It is the nature of some PJ fans to have unreasonable expectations, and then complain when reality sets in!
I believe it's simply because they don't have the manpower to contact each member to tell them what seat that they will be in, especially when you sell tickets for a major tour. Santos is good, but he isn't that good. Almost....
And I assume when people buy on Ticketmaster it wont say "Ticket location to be decided on day of show". It will have a Row and Seat number. So I dont really understand the statement "When do you ever know your seat location". I know it for many bands. Any band that isnt doing GA shows, you can count on them when you buy a ticket saying your location is so and so.
Again, I am not complaining. I am merely asking the question why. And the response that this is because of scalping makes sense
Again, you only know your ticket location when you have your tickets in hand, whether you download them from ticketmaster or not. If you get them mailed to you they DO NOT tell you your seats before you get the tickets. EVER.
Also why isn't it being a big fucking pain in the ass to tell everyone their seat assignments good enough for you?
msg 1 2 last year ,ticketmaster..309 row m seat 15..i knew the seat before i even pay..
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
So you poop in your pants until the date of the show with some doubt in your mind that there won't even be tickets at the window when you arrive to collect them.
Wait... actually, I think it's so you can't sell your primo seats on ebay or somewhere else....
and for not people start to sell them in ebay,,
"...Dimitri...He talks to me...'.."The Ghost of Greece..".
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
Actually folks, it's pretty easy to understand why you don't get your seat assignment till the day of the show.
PJ fans travel from all over the world to see them
10c members get priority seating based on seniority
That being said, they have to wait till all seats are sold to determine who sits where based on seniority
Then there is the scalping factor. They do not want 10c members scalping the premium seating given to members so you can't pick up your tickets with enough time to allow someone to convince you to scalp them.
I don't mind. Every time I walk up to the ticket booth it's like Christmas time. I wonder for days how good my seats are going to be building up my excitement. Long live PJ!
The problem with not knowing your seat locations is that some of us would be willing to pay more for better seats. If you don't know which seats you already have, it's impossible to tell if those tickets you are eyeing on ebay or stubhub are worth it to you. To use a current example, if I knew the tickets in my hand for Chicago are floor level tickets, I wouldn't bother considering the $2,000+ to get the same kinds of tickets from stubub.
It's a bad policy. There are better ways to crack down on scalpers if that is the reason.
The thing is, at the moment you buy your tickets, the Ten Club doesn't know your exact seat location. That isn't determined until the tickets are divvied up, by hand, on the day of the show.
Are they supposed to send out thousands of emails after it's determined?
I don't know that there's any other way to do this. Frankly, it never really occurred to me to think this was a problem.
everybody wants the most they can possibly get
for the least they could possibly do
The thing is, at the moment you buy your tickets, the Ten Club doesn't know your exact seat location. That isn't determined until the tickets are divvied up, by hand, on the day of the show.
10C receives their allotment of tickets usually either right before or right after tickets go on sale to the general public (the dates on 10C tickets confirms the date they were printed) and by the time the crew members and gear leave Seattle for the shows, the tickets have already been assigned and are ready to be distributed,...
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
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In a way I am glad that I don't know my seat location ahead of time. This allows me to have a sliver of hope that I will actually have great seats right up to the time I pick them up at the ticket window.
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Wait... actually, I think it's so you can't sell your primo seats on ebay or somewhere else....
Sure this is true for pearl jam. But I have been to many shows where its a set location, Row X Seat Y and so on. And I assume when people buy on Ticketmaster it wont say "Ticket location to be decided on day of show". It will have a Row and Seat number. So I dont really understand the statement "When do you ever know your seat location". I know it for many bands. Any band that isnt doing GA shows, you can count on them when you buy a ticket saying your location is so and so.
Again, I am not complaining. I am merely asking the question why. And the response that this is because of scalping makes sense
Again, you only know your ticket location when you have your tickets in hand, whether you download them from ticketmaster or not. If you get them mailed to you they DO NOT tell you your seats before you get the tickets. EVER.
Also why isn't it being a big fucking pain in the ass to tell everyone their seat assignments good enough for you?
This is simply not true. When you buy a ticket from TM, you get to see the seat location before you commit to the purchase. It's also in the purchase summary and in the email confirmation that you receive. With that said, I think the 10c policy of not disclosing seat location until tix are in hand is good because as others have mentioned, it prevents scalping. Also, they aren't able to disclose ticket location at the time of purchase like TM because it isn't assigned yet (based on seniority, rows 1-2 and 9-10 random, etc), so to then go back and disclose everyone's seat location well after the purchase would be a royal pain in the ass.
Your obviously high. I bought tickets to see The Boss at the Rose Garden in Portland oRegon in 2007. It was and remains the biggest attendend show I have ever seen. Tickets were bought through Ticketmaster. And as The Rose Garden is a stadium, a basketball arena their are obviously seats all around. When I bought tickets the tickets didnt say "location of seat to be determined day of show". I know that. Positively. I know this because I remember posting on the Bruce board that I was worried that the section I got, which was up aways, would be a bad vantage point and that I couldnt see Bruce.
I also know this because I assume I am not the only person who does this. I know that many times, when you buy tickets you have options of course. One of them, is to click buy tickets obviously, the other is to try your luck and clear your cart or whatever they call it on Ticketmaster and hope that if you start over that you get better seats next time.
Additionally I saw Arcade Fire in Portland in 2007. I know they told me my seat location prior to the show. I know this positively. I know this because I posted on the Arcade Fire board when I purchased tickets. I was again worried that my seat location wasnt good, as it was in the back of the venue.
Again, any show that isnt GA will tell you your seat location when you buy tickets.
seriously, its just another idiosyncrasy of the 10C
PJ does it this way to curb scalping of the fan club tickets.
Solarworld,
You, sir, are wrong. This is like the third post of yours I've responded to in the last two days. Why do you have to be so mean to everyone? You're a mean one, Mr. Grinch.
Scranton, Pennsylvania
Journey Ends:
Usually this is true, but not so for some other presales. Phish uses a lottery similar to how the 10 Club tickets were sold for Ed's most recent solo tour (minus the one show limit). When I requested tickets I did not know what seats I would get if I was selected, but I did know once I was charged and before the tickets were delivered. This year they ended up being for the lawn at the show I went to, but when I got tickets in 2003 for the same venue (using the same method of ticket requests) they were reserved seats and I knew again where the seats were before the tickets were delivered, but not until after I was charged.
This is 100% not true. have you ever bought tickets to a non-GA concert before? TM always shows you your seat location before you even purchase them.
West Palm Beach 2003
Tampa 2003
The VIC - Chicago 2007
West Palm Beach 2008
Tampa 2008
Ed Solo 2008 NYC
Philly 10/30/2009
Columbus 2010
It's a bad policy. There are better ways to crack down on scalpers if that is the reason.
The problem with buying from scalpers is it supports and encourages them to continue scalping tickets.
Also, imagine how many people would complain if their seat locations weren't as good as they expected.
I get that. Sort of.
If they e-mailed people their seat locations how would people get ideas that their seats were better or worse to be expected? Wouldnt they know the exact location?
exactly, on both points.
Let's just breathe...
I am myself like you somehow
Just look at some old threads where people complain about their seats. It is the nature of some PJ fans to have unreasonable expectations, and then complain when reality sets in!
Scranton, Pennsylvania
Journey Ends:
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
"..That's One Happy Fuckin Ghost.."
“..That came up on the Pillow Case...This is for the Greek, With Our Apologies.....”
PJ fans travel from all over the world to see them
10c members get priority seating based on seniority
That being said, they have to wait till all seats are sold to determine who sits where based on seniority
Then there is the scalping factor. They do not want 10c members scalping the premium seating given to members so you can't pick up your tickets with enough time to allow someone to convince you to scalp them.
I don't mind. Every time I walk up to the ticket booth it's like Christmas time. I wonder for days how good my seats are going to be building up my excitement. Long live PJ!
The thing is, at the moment you buy your tickets, the Ten Club doesn't know your exact seat location. That isn't determined until the tickets are divvied up, by hand, on the day of the show.
Are they supposed to send out thousands of emails after it's determined?
I don't know that there's any other way to do this. Frankly, it never really occurred to me to think this was a problem.
for the least they could possibly do
do you have any clue as to what that would actually entail?!
:roll:
10C receives their allotment of tickets usually either right before or right after tickets go on sale to the general public (the dates on 10C tickets confirms the date they were printed) and by the time the crew members and gear leave Seattle for the shows, the tickets have already been assigned and are ready to be distributed,...
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore - 2025: Hollywood X2, Atlanta 2, Nashville X2, Pittsburgh X2
"You need the patience of like a National Geographic photographer sitting underneath the bush in a tent, trying to get a picture of zebras fucking or something for the first time." -Eddie Vedder