Unemployment

Cosmo

JB811 wrote:

I just have a hard time dealing with the debt that is being handed to my still unborn grandchildren. Obama promised to cut the pork and this stimulus is filled with it.

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Just to let you know... the President is a President... not a King. He cannot simply decree something and make it so. He cannot change the way things work in Washington works in the inbred machinery with a wave of a hand or a stroke of a pen. No President could do that.

Jeanwah

Corporations are directly hurting the health of our economy by outsourcing. By employing people in our own country and building business here, where all the consumers are anyway, makes sense. I don't care about their bottom line; it should be their responsibility as a lifeline in the food chain in our economy that they pull their weight here. I don't know how it would be done other than regulating them, but in order to save our own economy, they should have to do it. It's a huge reason why unemployment is so high.

VINNY GOOMBA

Cosmo wrote:

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Just to let you know... the President is a President... not a King. He cannot simply decree something and make it so. He cannot change the way things work in Washington works in the inbred machinery with a wave of a hand or a stroke of a pen. No President could do that.

Somebody should remind all of our presidents of this, and get rid of executive orders.

inmytree

ledvedderman wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Jan 08 7.6%
Feb 8.1%
Mar 8.5%
April 8.9%
May 9.4%
June 9.5%

In the past 4 months we have lost 2.5 million jobs. Obama promised to keep it below 8% if the Stimulus passed
but it continues to grow. And what's worse is that his economist made a prediction that if it didnt pass it would get this high. :?

By your numbers, the unemployment rate was already above 8%. The stimulus plan is going to take some time. Repulicans know that. How do I know they know? Because during the stimulus debate they were arguing that we wouldn't have any real benefits from the stimulus until 2010. Now they can look at these numbers and cry that it isn't working...after 100 days.

Many of these projects are going to be dished out at the state level. That means there is a planning project (for the lack of a better word). There is a bidding aspect of this. There is delay in getting the project "shovel ready". It's a slow process when you are dealing with the states.

The President never should have made the 8% claim, because it is totally out of his hands.

Thank you...I love how folks complain and say they "know" what to do or how to fix things, yet offer no alternative....

Pepe Silvia

I heart Scout Niblett wrote:

JB811 wrote:

I'd end social services for people that are here illegally. The American taxpayer should not be funding the tab. Tuition should not be cheaper than it is for the American tax paying citizen.

i've known a few american citizens and each one had multiple jobs, so their paychecks were taxed as well as the good and services they bought and since they were illegal they did not file taxes and therefor didn't get any money back at tax time, so they paid taxes, too.

i liked a lot of your other ideas, though.

but with the tax breaks they need to have criteria included, i worked for a company that was owned by IBM and Toshiba, then IBM sold to Toshiba who later sold to an american company, Micron. Micron was given all sorts of tax breaks, had new roads around the facility made and repaved the old ones....then a few months later, in feb, they laid off more than 3/4 of the place and moved the jobs to Taiwan.

talk about totally writing the opposite of what you meant, i mean i've known a few illegal citizens

daaaar

WaveCameCrashin

inmytree wrote:

Thank you...I love how folks complain and say they "know" what to do or how to fix things, yet offer no alternative....

ledvedderman wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Jan 08 7.6%
Feb 8.1%
Mar 8.5%
April 8.9%
May 9.4%
June 9.5%

In the past 4 months we have lost 2.5 million jobs. Obama promised to keep it below 8% if the Stimulus passed
but it continues to grow. And what's worse is that his economist made a prediction that if it didnt pass it would get this high. :?

By your numbers, the unemployment rate was already above 8%. The stimulus plan is going to take some time. Repulicans know that. How do I know they know? Because during the stimulus debate they were arguing that we wouldn't have any real benefits from the stimulus until 2010. Now they can look at these numbers and cry that it isn't working...after 100 days.

Many of these projects are going to be dished out at the state level. That means there is a planning project (for the lack of a better word). There is a bidding aspect of this. There is delay in getting the project "shovel ready". It's a slow process when you are dealing with the states.

The President never should have made the 8% claim, because it is totally out of his hands.

Thank you...I love how folks complain and say they "know" what to do or how to fix things, yet offer no alternative....

Im not complaining. Im simply stating facts and pointing out what Obama said and what's happening with unemployment. This is a free country right ? can I not question the Messiah and I never said I knew how to fix things that's the job of our elected officials. The last time I checked they work for us .

inmytree

prfctlefts wrote:

Im not complaining. Im simply stating facts and pointing out what Obama said and what's happening with unemployment. This is a free country right ? can I not question the Messiah and I never said I knew how to fix things that's the job of our elected officials. The last time I checked they work for us .

Please feel free to question what you wish...I support that...I was simply questioning those who comment/complain yet offer nothing...I hope you're ok with that...

Some, and I'm not saying you, but some seem to think that Obama has a magic wand or can just snap his fingers and everything will be "fixed"...we live in a complex world...the recovery will take some time...

ajedigecko

inmytree wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Im not complaining. Im simply stating facts and pointing out what Obama said and what's happening with unemployment. This is a free country right ? can I not question the Messiah and I never said I knew how to fix things that's the job of our elected officials. The last time I checked they work for us .

Please feel free to question what you wish...I support that...I was simply questioning those who comment/complain yet offer nothing...I hope you're ok with that...

Some, and I'm not saying you, but some seem to think that Obama has a magic wand or can just snap his fingers and everything will be "fixed"...we live in a complex world...the recovery will take some time...

now the obama administration says a second stimulost is needed because the first one is not working.


wtf......on one hand they say "need more time" and on the other "not working fast enough"

Pepe Silvia

ajedigecko wrote:

inmytree wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

Im not complaining. Im simply stating facts and pointing out what Obama said and what's happening with unemployment. This is a free country right ? can I not question the Messiah and I never said I knew how to fix things that's the job of our elected officials. The last time I checked they work for us .

Please feel free to question what you wish...I support that...I was simply questioning those who comment/complain yet offer nothing...I hope you're ok with that...

Some, and I'm not saying you, but some seem to think that Obama has a magic wand or can just snap his fingers and everything will be "fixed"...we live in a complex world...the recovery will take some time...

now the obama administration says a second stimulost is needed because the first one is not working.


wtf......on one hand they say "need more time" and on the other "not working fast enough"

isn't 'needs more time' and 'not working fast enough' kinda the same thing??

:?:

ajedigecko

well from what i understand or how i read it.......i would say they are not the same thing.

the first 700 + billion.........needs more time to work.

the second ??? + billion........get it ready because the first 700 + billion is not working fast enough.

ledvedderman

That's what I think too.

I think there's going to be a real problem getting a second stimulus passed. I think it is needed, but it could be VERY difficult to pass both houses heading into a mid-term election year.

blackredyellow

ledvedderman wrote:

That's what I think too.

I think there's going to be a real problem getting a second stimulus passed. I think it is needed, but it could be VERY difficult to pass both houses heading into a mid-term election year.

Yeah, there is no way that a second huge stimulus will pass (and I'd be happy if it didn't). With political battles for cap and trade, and the upcoming one on health care, I'm not sure that another stimulus bill is one that can be pushed through.

ledvedderman

blackredyellow wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

That's what I think too.

I think there's going to be a real problem getting a second stimulus passed. I think it is needed, but it could be VERY difficult to pass both houses heading into a mid-term election year.

Yeah, there is no way that a second huge stimulus will pass (and I'd be happy if it didn't). With political battles for cap and trade, and the upcoming one on health care, I'm not sure that another stimulus bill is one that can be pushed through.

I'll take Kennedy's proposed Health Care bill over a second stimulus anyday.

blackredyellow

ledvedderman wrote:

blackredyellow wrote:

ledvedderman wrote:

That's what I think too.

I think there's going to be a real problem getting a second stimulus passed. I think it is needed, but it could be VERY difficult to pass both houses heading into a mid-term election year.

Yeah, there is no way that a second huge stimulus will pass (and I'd be happy if it didn't). With political battles for cap and trade, and the upcoming one on health care, I'm not sure that another stimulus bill is one that can be pushed through.

I'll take Kennedy's proposed Health Care bill over a second stimulus anyday.

My fear with the health care legislation, is that what ultimately passes will probably end up being some watered down bill that has all sorts of cut outs and loopholes in it to buy votes and supports from all different interests, and in the end will cost much more that it will ever help.

weenie

Here are some of the problems with unemployment that those of you who are gainfully employed may or may not be aware of ...

First, many of the jobs that will be/are being created quickly are those that pay hourly wages and are low enough so that they will not sustain the white-collar, middle-class worker - whether he/she lives alone or has a family. Trying to live on $16-$20 an hour is like pissing in the wind in most cities.

Second, many employers are using the economic downtown as an excuse to re-fill jobs that already existed, and are open due to turnover, at much lower pay rates. Not only are they paying lower wages, but they are requiring additional skills that were never considered part of that particular job description before. It's my opinion that the majority of these companies are not feeling any pinch from the economy and are just being greedy.

Third, companies are not only hiring in at lower wages, but are replacing turnover positions with two part-time workers as opposed to one full-time worker in order to save on benefits.

The result of all these actions forces individuals and families to renig on mortgage payments, car payments, credit card payments and the like compounding all the other problems we have. It's a vicious cycle and the middle-class, white collar worker has no where to turn. Unemployment pays very little - some states are better than others - and lasts around 6 - 8 months. The average search time for a job used to be 4 - 6 months. Now, it's closer to a year. If your credit cards cut you off and your unemployment ends, you're really screwed. It's ugly and it's scary and it takes a lot of creative thinking just to get by.

What I'm trying to say here is that not only are there fewer jobs, but many of those that are out there don't automatically create a "better" situation for some categories of the unemployed. It's a frightening situation to be in, especially when all your life you've had good paying jobs, good credit and some stability.

Yes, it is going to take a long time for the results to be seen from the first round, but at least THIS money is coming to Americans at home and not going to citizens in some foreign country.

WaveCameCrashin

The company I work for decided to try paying us some commission + our wages in a a few test markets (other stores) Some of us well probably all of us were not really excited about this b/c one reason is they were going to take 20% away from our hourly pay.But for any item we sold we would get 3%. Most of these items are around $45-$130.00.
So get this after a few weeks of this we were actually making anywhere from $150-$200 extra on our checks. This really motivated a lot of associates to work harder. Well so much for that. We got a notice from our corp. office that they were suspending the commission program until further notice. I mean how fucked up is that shit ? :x

And the thing is the store I work at is like 9% above last year :? Also they changed 35 -40 hrs being full time now 32 is considered full time. Don't get me wrong Im very thank full that I have a job right now considering other peoples circumstances but I just hate getting screwed.

soulsinging

prfctlefts wrote:

The company I work for decided to try paying us some commission + our wages in a a few test markets (other stores) Some of us well probably all of us were not really excited about this b/c one reason is they were going to take 20% away from our hourly pay.But for any item we sold we would get 3%. Most of these items are around $45-$130.00.
So get this after a few weeks of this we were actually making anywhere from $150-$200 extra on our checks. This really motivated a lot of associates to work harder. Well so much for that. We got a notice from our corp. office that they were suspending the commission program until further notice. I mean how fucked up is that shit ? :x

And the thing is the store I work at is like 9% above last year :? Also they changed 35 -40 hrs being full time now 32 is considered full time. Don't get me wrong Im very thank full that I have a job right now considering other peoples circumstances but I just hate getting screwed.

What? It's THEIR company. They can do whatever they want to you... that's capitalism. It's THEIR money and you should beg for the crumbs they are willing to throw you. If you all made more, it must have cut into their profits... and we all know what is the number one value above all else in a pure free market economy: profitability.

weenie

soulsinging wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

The company I work for decided to try paying us some commission + our wages in a a few test markets (other stores) Some of us well probably all of us were not really excited about this b/c one reason is they were going to take 20% away from our hourly pay.But for any item we sold we would get 3%. Most of these items are around $45-$130.00.
So get this after a few weeks of this we were actually making anywhere from $150-$200 extra on our checks. This really motivated a lot of associates to work harder. Well so much for that. We got a notice from our corp. office that they were suspending the commission program until further notice. I mean how fucked up is that shit ? :x

And the thing is the store I work at is like 9% above last year :? Also they changed 35 -40 hrs being full time now 32 is considered full time. Don't get me wrong Im very thank full that I have a job right now considering other peoples circumstances but I just hate getting screwed.

What? It's THEIR company. They can do whatever they want to you... that's capitalism. It's THEIR money and you should beg for the crumbs they are willing to throw you. If you all made more, it must have cut into their profits... and we all know what is the number one value above all else in a pure free market economy: profitability.

While we all know that greed rules, it just seems a little harsh to take away their commission AND reduce their hours IF the sales are actually up 9% over last year. In these difficult times, where one or the other member of a couple is either cut back or layed off leaving the "family" struggling, and the single person is totally fucked unless they have someone to go live with, a little compassion goes a long way.

soulsinging

weenie wrote:

While we all know that greed rules, it just seems a little harsh to take away their commission AND reduce their hours IF the sales are actually up 9% over last year. In these difficult times, where one or the other member of a couple is either cut back or layed off leaving the "family" struggling, and the single person is totally fucked unless they have someone to go live with, a little compassion goes a long way.

Apparently you missed the sarcasm, given that I was responding to the guy that keeps ranting about how Obama's a socialist but now seems to think it's unfair that his boss is screwing him... I'm curious what he thinks a free market is if not the right for the boss to do whatever he damn well pleases while everyone else has to suck it up.

weenie

soulsinging wrote:

weenie wrote:

While we all know that greed rules, it just seems a little harsh to take away their commission AND reduce their hours IF the sales are actually up 9% over last year. In these difficult times, where one or the other member of a couple is either cut back or layed off leaving the "family" struggling, and the single person is totally fucked unless they have someone to go live with, a little compassion goes a long way.

Apparently you missed the sarcasm, given that I was responding to the guy that keeps ranting about how Obama's a socialist but now seems to think it's unfair that his boss is screwing him... I'm curious what he thinks a free market is if not the right for the boss to do whatever he damn well pleases while everyone else has to suck it up.

You're correct.
I have a bad habit of coming home, jumping on the old pc and picking right up from where I last posted rendering me oblivious to the nuances.... which are sometimes the best parts!!