Senator Stuart Smalley (D-MN)

TriumphantAngel

prfctlefts wrote:

examples please ?

Educate yourself, research your reps, watch the news, read up on everything from reliable sources. Listen and learn. Find out what you can about your reps and what they believe in. Soak up everything you can, keep an open mind, and make an informed decision on what you feel is right, not just what you are being fed.

If you don't know who your reps are then here you go
http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm

what are your reps really doing?
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.html

check out project vote smart
http://www.vote-smart.org/

speak out, start a blog, meet your elected rep, do the radio talk show thing if you're that way inclined, write letters, emails, put a signature on your emails about something you are passionate about, attend protests...

that's just to name a few, and never forget ordinary people do extraordinary things everyday.

ledvedderman

TriumphantAngel wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

examples please ?

Educate yourself, research your reps, watch the news, read up on everything from reliable sources. Listen and learn. Find out what you can about your reps and what they believe in. Soak up everything you can, keep an open mind, and make an informed decision on what you feel is right, not just what you are being fed.

If you don't know who your reps are then here you go
http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm

what are your reps really doing?
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.html

check out project vote smart
http://www.vote-smart.org/

speak out, start a blog, meet your elected rep, do the radio talk show thing if you're that way inclined, write letters, emails, put a signature on your emails about something you are passionate about, attend protests...

that's just to name a few, and never forget ordinary people do extraordinary things everyday.

I also suggest using websites like politifact.com or factcheck.org. These are impartial sites that give you the straight and narrow of what is being said. I always try to read an article from foxnews.com and one from a counter point like Huffington Post or Politico. When you get both sides of the story it is easier to make up your own mind.

PearlJain

It wouldn't be fair to say that ALL politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. With that said - I personally believe that MOST politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. I can't believe AL FRANKEN is now a U.S. Sentator. It only proves - that only here in America - all things are possible. Including another Socialist country. No Thanks.

WaveCameCrashin

PearlJain wrote:

It wouldn't be fair to say that ALL politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. With that said - I personally believe that MOST politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. I can't believe AL FRANKEN is now a U.S. Sentator. It only proves - that only here in America - all things are possible. Including another Socialist country. No Thanks.

I feel the same way.

Right now most of the people that voted for Obama are probably paying more attention to M. J's death
than what's really important.
Like this so called cap and trade
which is just a another name for higher taxes.

Jeanwah

PearlJain wrote:

It wouldn't be fair to say that ALL politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. With that said - I personally believe that MOST politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. I can't believe AL FRANKEN is now a U.S. Sentator. It only proves - that only here in America - all things are possible. Including another Socialist country. No Thanks.

While I agree that probably 98% of all politicians are crooked, I disagree that we're anywhere near being a socialist country. We're not, not to mention that there is not one country in the world that is truly socialist.

ledvedderman

prfctlefts wrote:

PearlJain wrote:

It wouldn't be fair to say that ALL politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. With that said - I personally believe that MOST politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. I can't believe AL FRANKEN is now a U.S. Sentator. It only proves - that only here in America - all things are possible. Including another Socialist country. No Thanks.

I feel the same way.

Right now most of the people that voted for Obama are probably paying more attention to M. J's death
than what's really important.
Like this so called cap and trade
which is just a another name for higher taxes.

Comments like that are what I am talking about when it comes to getting involved and getting taken seriously. You have no basis for a comment like that, yet the filter in your head that usually says "that's a stupid thing to say", just isn't firing.

soulsinging

Jeanwah wrote:

PearlJain wrote:

It wouldn't be fair to say that ALL politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. With that said - I personally believe that MOST politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. I can't believe AL FRANKEN is now a U.S. Sentator. It only proves - that only here in America - all things are possible. Including another Socialist country. No Thanks.

While I agree that probably 98% of all politicians are crooked, I disagree that we're anywhere near being a socialist country. We're not, not to mention that there is not one country in the world that is truly socialist.

Actually, we already ARE a socialist country and have been for decades. Not one country in the world is truly communist, but plenty are truly socialist. Nobody wants true capitalism. Nobody. I guarantee you the people in this very thread bitching about socialism also whine about job outsourcing... guess what, that's the only logical outgrowth of capitalism. I don't think you people complaining about socialism actually know what it is.

TriumphantAngel

prfctlefts wrote:

PearlJain wrote:

It wouldn't be fair to say that ALL politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. With that said - I personally believe that MOST politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. I can't believe AL FRANKEN is now a U.S. Sentator. It only proves - that only here in America - all things are possible. Including another Socialist country. No Thanks.

I feel the same way.

Right now most of the people that voted for Obama are probably paying more attention to M. J's death
than what's really important.

were you ever really interested in peoples responses when you asked for examples of how you can make a difference?

i don't know why i even bothered offering genuine thoughts to you in this thread. you don't really want possible solutions, you just want to get your cheap nasty shots in whichever way you can.

good luck with that.

Jeanwah

soulsinging wrote:

Jeanwah wrote:

While I agree that probably 98% of all politicians are crooked, I disagree that we're anywhere near being a socialist country. We're not, not to mention that there is not one country in the world that is truly socialist.

Actually, we already ARE a socialist country and have been for decades. Not one country in the world is truly communist, but plenty are truly socialist. Nobody wants true capitalism. Nobody. I guarantee you the people in this very thread bitching about socialism also whine about job outsourcing... guess what, that's the only logical outgrowth of capitalism. I don't think you people complaining about socialism actually know what it is.

Sorry, SS, you're wrong about any country being truly socialist. I'd like to challenge you to source any one country that's 100% socialist. There are none. I agree that the word Socialism has been thrown around in recent months like the Commy word was in the 1950s. People seem to use it like they know what they're talking about. You're right about no country being truly communist.

PearlJain

I Have PLENTY of "basis" for that of which I speak. Should I write a complete thesis on a Pearl Jam websight? Pay attention to what is going on. I love the music, always will - however - be it Socialism (even that of a watered-down European-socialism) - It still reeks of the same thing. By the way - I'm also against turning the U.S into a Marxist and for that matter - a Communist country. I am not a "Leftist." Go "bleed" with those whom support your particular stance.

gimmesometruth27

prfctlefts wrote:

PearlJain wrote:

It wouldn't be fair to say that ALL politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. With that said - I personally believe that MOST politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. I can't believe AL FRANKEN is now a U.S. Sentator. It only proves - that only here in America - all things are possible. Including another Socialist country. No Thanks.

I feel the same way.

Right now most of the people that voted for Obama are probably paying more attention to M. J's death
than what's really important.
Like this so called cap and trade
which is just a another name for higher taxes.

i don't say too much around here but when i read stuff like this post i gotta speak up.

that is a pretty hasty generalization there buddy. thats like saying most of the people that voted for mccain are more concerned about the "so you think you can dance" competition or the ed mcmahon funeral instead of what's really important. get over yourself and stop trying to insult the people that voted differently than you did. there are more of us around here than there are of you. you asked for help in this thread and you have ignored the help that people have offered. instead you take potshots at people. if your guy had any ideas other than tax cuts and continued war on terror and didn't pick a complete moron for a running mate you might have had a chance at winning. at least this administration is trying to do SOMETHING instead of the nothing bush and cheney did.

it seems that you are just angry that a comedian is the 60th vote for the democrats. i wonder if you hold franken in the same high regard that you hold barney frank?

i gotta hand it to norm coleman. he conceded instead of appealing it to the supreme court. but this should have been settled months ago.

PearlJain

I replied - with full knowledge that this is a "leftist" websight. So - you can attack ME. No Republicans, Liberatians, nor Independents could possibly win here. It's like being on "The View" or "Real Time with Bill Maher." The "Extemest" always "gang-up" on those with opposing views. Some of us are actually capable of our own independent" thinking. So - Go "worship" the current President versus paying attention to his actual policies. Afterall - It's your Taxpayer dollars at stake, too. Enjoy!

gimmesometruth27

PearlJain wrote:

I replied - with full knowledge that this is a "leftist" websight. So - you can attack ME. No Republicans, Liberatians, nor Independents could possibly win here. It's like being on "The View" or "Real Time with Bill Maher." The "Extemest" always "gang-up" on those with opposing views. Some of us are actually capable of our own independent" thinking. So - Go "worship" the current President versus paying attention to his actual policies. Afterall - It's your Taxpayer dollars at stake, too. Enjoy!

i am not worshipping anybody. they are men the same as i am.

by the way, why is it mostly the republicans and independents that are starting threads like this and complaining about everything? so al franken won...big deal. i think more people voted against coleman than for franken. how else can you explain all of the other states that had incumbant seats go the other way? at any rate, do you really think that the dems have a fillibusterproof majority? hell no, they have 8 or 10 people that will not go along with the agenda on some issues, so franken's vote is not as important as what everyone is saying.

WaveCameCrashin

TriumphantAngel wrote:

prfctlefts wrote:

PearlJain wrote:

It wouldn't be fair to say that ALL politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. With that said - I personally believe that MOST politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. I can't believe AL FRANKEN is now a U.S. Sentator. It only proves - that only here in America - all things are possible. Including another Socialist country. No Thanks.

I feel the same way.

Right now most of the people that voted for Obama are probably paying more attention to M. J's death
than what's really important.

were you ever really interested in peoples responses when you asked for examples of how you can make a difference?

i don't know why i even bothered offering genuine thoughts to you in this thread. you don't really want possible solutions, you just want to get your cheap nasty shots in whichever way you can.

good luck with that.

:roll: :roll: Yeah whatever you say


How is that a cheap or nasty shot ? It's very true. I meant no disrespect towards M.J. What I meant was there are more important things going on right now than his death IMO that's all.

ledvedderman

If that is what you mean, than just put it that way in the first place without the retarded "obama voters" comment. Talk like that makes you look like a hack

gimmesometruth27

ledvedderman wrote:

If that is what you mean, than just put it that way in the first place without the retarded "obama voters" comment. Talk like that makes you look like a hack

+1 ledvedderman

if you can't see how that was a shot at everyone that voted for obama, i don't know how i can make it any more clearer.

what was the old saying? was it say what you mean, and mean what you say??

WaveCameCrashin

Im so sorry if I offended you :roll: god forbid I say anything about the Messiah or any of his policies or any of you that fell for his B.S

ledvedderman

prfctlefts wrote:

Im so sorry if I offended you :roll: god forbid I say anything about the Messiah or any of his policies or any of you that fell for his B.S

You didn't offend me and I'm not jumping your case because you said anything about the President and disagree with him. The point is that you are Talking Points 101. It's "Obama voters this" or "fell for his BS". Here's the deal, we support the mans policies and ideas. Believe it or not, many people researched the candidates and came to a conclusion. We're all not brainless drodes who need people to tell them how to think...leave that to the Christian right.

Anon

So you get on his case, but then do exactly the same thing you are crying about.

ledvedderman

JB811 wrote:

So you get on his case, but then do exactly the same thing you are crying about.

So you caught that...can't get anything past you