Senator Stuart Smalley (D-MN)

ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
edited July 2009 in A Moving Train
Well...the Minnesote Supreme Court just decided 5-0 that Franken won and the Governor is saying he will certify the election.
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  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    will somebody please tell me why anybody would want this guy to be their voice in washington.

    Is it b/c they hate the republican party that much that they don't care as long as it's not one. :?
  • VINNY GOOMBAVINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,818
    I don't know what to expect out of Franken... Hopefully we get a Senator that can think outside the box, and represent the people better than the rest of the gang on Capitol Hill.
  • Thorns2010Thorns2010 Posts: 2,201
    prfctlefts wrote:
    will somebody please tell me why anybody would want this guy to be their voice in washington.

    Is it b/c they hate the republican party that much that they don't care as long as it's not one. :?

    That's the best I can get, and I live here.

    Needless to say, during the campaign the ads got pretty bad. And I said 'Fuck em' to both of them, and voted 3rd party.
  • blackredyellowblackredyellow Posts: 5,889
    He is actually very well knowledgeable on the issues... I'm just curious to see how his personality fits in.

    Really, when you look at all of our representation in the Senate, it can't get any worse.
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  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Doesn't this mean with his vote republicans wont have a chance in the senate. correct me if Im wrong but this could really change things for the worse or the better depending on which side your on. From what I have heard he seems to be far left.
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    edited June 2009
    Thorns2010 wrote:
    And I said 'Fuck em' to both of them, and voted 3rd party.

    And thats what we will all have to do in order to take Washington back.
    I for one will not be voting for any incumbant regardless of wich party they belong to in 2010
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  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Doesn't this mean with his vote republicans wont have a chance in the senate. correct me if Im wrong but this could really change things for the worse or the better depending on which side your on. From what I have heard he seems to be far left.

    Possibly, but you got to remember that there are a lot of Democratic senators elected in 2006 who are not safe when it comes to re-election because of their state. Take Tester for example. Montana is a state where it is amazing that any Democrat would be elected statewide...but he did. Not because Montana is shifting to the left, but because he was the right candidate at the right time in the 2006 Democratic congressional tsunami. Because of that, he can't (and won't) go to the far left.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Thorns2010 wrote:
    And I said 'Fuck em' to both of them, and voted 3rd party.

    And thats what we will all have to do in order to take Washington back.
    I for one will not be voting for any incumbant regardless of wich party they belong to in 2010

    If that is your approach to take Washington back...it won't work.
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    edited June 2009
    prfctlefts wrote:
    He is actually very well knowledgeable on the issues...
    :roll: Dude.... With all due respect,my grandmother is knowledgeable on the issues but that doesn't make her qualified to be a U.S. Senator.

    What matters is how he's going to vote on important issues. Personally I don't like the the fact that the democrats have control of the house and senate, Democratic President,and a liberal Media.

    I wouldn't like it if it were Republicans that were in control like the Dems are either.
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  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Thorns2010 wrote:
    And I said 'Fuck em' to both of them, and voted 3rd party.

    And thats what we will all have to do in order to take Washington back.
    I for one will not be voting for any incumbant regardless of wich party they belong to in 2010

    If that is your approach to take Washington back...it won't work.
    So what's the ansewr than ?
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    Do we keep voting for these same people that continue to screw us year after year :?
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    Get involved. I guess that is my answer.
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    How much more can the average person due other then vote ?
  • VINNY GOOMBAVINNY GOOMBA Posts: 1,818
    prfctlefts wrote:
    Thorns2010 wrote:
    And I said 'Fuck em' to both of them, and voted 3rd party.

    And thats what we will all have to do in order to take Washington back.
    I for one will not be voting for any incumbant regardless of wich party they belong to in 2010

    I like this strategy myself, since it really takes no more than 5 minutes of effort to pull off. Half of this country couldn't name 1 one their representatives, let alone all 3. 10 seconds on the internet can tell you exactly who represents you: http://www.whoismyrepresentative.com I believe, is one site out there that you simply punch in your zip code, and BOOM, you know who is currently in power. What more effort does it take to simply vote AGAINST that person?

    The thing that kills it all, is simply that there are so many people that could never betray their party line no matter how bad their rep from their OWN PARTY is fuckin them. I do think this is changing, though. People are pissed. They're sick of the bullshit, and they're sick of being screwed regardless of who is in power. I will certainly be voting against my incumbent next election. He recently voted for the stimulus and cap and trade, neither of which I agree with. Kudos to him though, for voting against the bailout twice.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    prfctlefts wrote:
    How much more can the average person due other then vote ?

    Well...I'm an average person. No college degree yet, but I've managed to get involved and climb the party ranks. If it is something you are good at and passionate about...you can do quite a lot. Thinking that the only thing you can do is vote is the wrong way to look at it.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    prfctlefts wrote:
    How much more can the average person due other then vote ?
    Is this a serious question?

    There is so much more to be done than simply voting.
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    yes, it's a serious question
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    prfctlefts wrote:
    yes, it's a serious question

    The average person can do quite a bit, man. Like I said, I'm as average as they get and for some reason people will listen to me and ask my opinions on matters that blow my mind that these people would ask ME for my opinions politically. Hell, even the now President of the United States valued my opinion in the State Senate/US Senate campaign circles. You just have to approach it the right way and be ready to lick your wounds sometimes.
  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    examples please ?
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    prfctlefts wrote:
    examples please ?

    What do you mean "examples"? Examples of doing it the right way? Well, it's best just to know your role at first and not appear crazy to people.
  • TriumphantAngelTriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    prfctlefts wrote:
    examples please ?

    Educate yourself, research your reps, watch the news, read up on everything from reliable sources. Listen and learn. Find out what you can about your reps and what they believe in. Soak up everything you can, keep an open mind, and make an informed decision on what you feel is right, not just what you are being fed.

    If you don't know who your reps are then here you go
    http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm

    what are your reps really doing?
    http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.html

    check out project vote smart
    http://www.vote-smart.org/

    speak out, start a blog, meet your elected rep, do the radio talk show thing if you're that way inclined, write letters, emails, put a signature on your emails about something you are passionate about, attend protests...

    that's just to name a few, and never forget ordinary people do extraordinary things everyday.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    prfctlefts wrote:
    examples please ?

    Educate yourself, research your reps, watch the news, read up on everything from reliable sources. Listen and learn. Find out what you can about your reps and what they believe in. Soak up everything you can, keep an open mind, and make an informed decision on what you feel is right, not just what you are being fed.

    If you don't know who your reps are then here you go
    http://www.conservativeusa.org/mega-cong.htm

    what are your reps really doing?
    http://thomas.loc.gov/home/thomas.html

    check out project vote smart
    http://www.vote-smart.org/

    speak out, start a blog, meet your elected rep, do the radio talk show thing if you're that way inclined, write letters, emails, put a signature on your emails about something you are passionate about, attend protests...

    that's just to name a few, and never forget ordinary people do extraordinary things everyday.

    I also suggest using websites like politifact.com or factcheck.org. These are impartial sites that give you the straight and narrow of what is being said. I always try to read an article from foxnews.com and one from a counter point like Huffington Post or Politico. When you get both sides of the story it is easier to make up your own mind.
  • PearlJainPearlJain Posts: 565
    It wouldn't be fair to say that ALL politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. With that said - I personally believe that MOST politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. I can't believe AL FRANKEN is now a U.S. Sentator. It only proves - that only here in America - all things are possible. Including another Socialist country. No Thanks.
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  • WaveCameCrashinWaveCameCrashin Posts: 2,929
    PearlJain wrote:
    It wouldn't be fair to say that ALL politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. With that said - I personally believe that MOST politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. I can't believe AL FRANKEN is now a U.S. Sentator. It only proves - that only here in America - all things are possible. Including another Socialist country. No Thanks.

    I feel the same way.

    Right now most of the people that voted for Obama are probably paying more attention to M. J's death
    than what's really important.
    Like this so called cap and trade
    which is just a another name for higher taxes.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    PearlJain wrote:
    It wouldn't be fair to say that ALL politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. With that said - I personally believe that MOST politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. I can't believe AL FRANKEN is now a U.S. Sentator. It only proves - that only here in America - all things are possible. Including another Socialist country. No Thanks.
    While I agree that probably 98% of all politicians are crooked, I disagree that we're anywhere near being a socialist country. We're not, not to mention that there is not one country in the world that is truly socialist.
  • ledveddermanledvedderman Posts: 7,761
    prfctlefts wrote:
    PearlJain wrote:
    It wouldn't be fair to say that ALL politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. With that said - I personally believe that MOST politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. I can't believe AL FRANKEN is now a U.S. Sentator. It only proves - that only here in America - all things are possible. Including another Socialist country. No Thanks.

    I feel the same way.

    Right now most of the people that voted for Obama are probably paying more attention to M. J's death
    than what's really important.
    Like this so called cap and trade
    which is just a another name for higher taxes.

    Comments like that are what I am talking about when it comes to getting involved and getting taken seriously. You have no basis for a comment like that, yet the filter in your head that usually says "that's a stupid thing to say", just isn't firing.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Jeanwah wrote:
    PearlJain wrote:
    It wouldn't be fair to say that ALL politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. With that said - I personally believe that MOST politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. I can't believe AL FRANKEN is now a U.S. Sentator. It only proves - that only here in America - all things are possible. Including another Socialist country. No Thanks.
    While I agree that probably 98% of all politicians are crooked, I disagree that we're anywhere near being a socialist country. We're not, not to mention that there is not one country in the world that is truly socialist.

    Actually, we already ARE a socialist country and have been for decades. Not one country in the world is truly communist, but plenty are truly socialist. Nobody wants true capitalism. Nobody. I guarantee you the people in this very thread bitching about socialism also whine about job outsourcing... guess what, that's the only logical outgrowth of capitalism. I don't think you people complaining about socialism actually know what it is.
  • TriumphantAngelTriumphantAngel Posts: 1,760
    edited July 2009
    prfctlefts wrote:
    PearlJain wrote:
    It wouldn't be fair to say that ALL politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. With that said - I personally believe that MOST politicians are crooked and don't care about what their constituants think. I can't believe AL FRANKEN is now a U.S. Sentator. It only proves - that only here in America - all things are possible. Including another Socialist country. No Thanks.

    I feel the same way.

    Right now most of the people that voted for Obama are probably paying more attention to M. J's death
    than what's really important.

    were you ever really interested in peoples responses when you asked for examples of how you can make a difference?

    i don't know why i even bothered offering genuine thoughts to you in this thread. you don't really want possible solutions, you just want to get your cheap nasty shots in whichever way you can.

    good luck with that.
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  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    Jeanwah wrote:
    While I agree that probably 98% of all politicians are crooked, I disagree that we're anywhere near being a socialist country. We're not, not to mention that there is not one country in the world that is truly socialist.

    Actually, we already ARE a socialist country and have been for decades. Not one country in the world is truly communist, but plenty are truly socialist. Nobody wants true capitalism. Nobody. I guarantee you the people in this very thread bitching about socialism also whine about job outsourcing... guess what, that's the only logical outgrowth of capitalism. I don't think you people complaining about socialism actually know what it is.
    Sorry, SS, you're wrong about any country being truly socialist. I'd like to challenge you to source any one country that's 100% socialist. There are none. I agree that the word Socialism has been thrown around in recent months like the Commy word was in the 1950s. People seem to use it like they know what they're talking about. You're right about no country being truly communist.
  • PearlJainPearlJain Posts: 565
    I Have PLENTY of "basis" for that of which I speak. Should I write a complete thesis on a Pearl Jam websight? Pay attention to what is going on. I love the music, always will - however - be it Socialism (even that of a watered-down European-socialism) - It still reeks of the same thing. By the way - I'm also against turning the U.S into a Marxist and for that matter - a Communist country. I am not a "Leftist." Go "bleed" with those whom support your particular stance.
    The greatness of a nation can be judged by the way its animals are treated - Gandhi

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