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CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
edited June 2009 in All Encompassing Trip
Anyone remember Michael Jackson's lyrics:
Jew me, sue me
Everybody do me
Kick me, kike me
Don't you black or white me

Isn't that blatant anti-semitism?


Anyone remember Paul McCartney telling Michael, while they were friends, that Paul intended to secure the Beatles rights - implying that MJ should do that with his own catalog - but instead MJ stabs Paul in the back and buys the Beatles catalog out from under him, by bidding the most money?

Seems like a very very shady thing to do, especially when given the idea by the person he screwed, no?



I'm not gonna get into the multiple allegations about the kiddies. I'm not speaking as his great musical talent either. I'm just saying, he's done a few very dirty things, like the two things above and possibly more.

Not that this day isn't a tragic day. But I'm just hearing only glowing things about this guy all over the place. Feel free to discuss.

RIP - MJ
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  • LikeAnOceanLikeAnOcean Posts: 7,718
    CJMST3K wrote:

    Not that this day isn't a tragic day. But I'm just hearing only glowing things about this guy all over the place. Feel free to discuss.

    RIP - MJ
    When you die, do you want everyone to talk about all of the crap and mistakes you made in your life? Or the good things you did?

    What do you expect.
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:

    Not that this day isn't a tragic day. But I'm just hearing only glowing things about this guy all over the place. Feel free to discuss.

    RIP - MJ
    When you die, do you want everyone to talk about all of the crap and mistakes you made in your life? Or the good things you did?

    What do you expect.


    Fair enough.

    I guess it came to mind when CNN was interviewing someone, and they said something like "Michael Jackson is the one artist who's music was always innocent" or something, and the above lyrics came to mind... then all the other stuff too.
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  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,649
    LikeAnOcean wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:

    Not that this day isn't a tragic day. But I'm just hearing only glowing things about this guy all over the place. Feel free to discuss.

    RIP - MJ
    When you die, do you want everyone to talk about all of the crap and mistakes you made in your life? Or the good things you did?

    What do you expect.

    MJ was a public figure, so of course people will discuss all the parts of his life, both good and bad.

    Besides being known for having worked at MSG, the OP is a private citizen, so he is in a different category.
    :)
  • covered in blisscovered in bliss chi-caw-go Posts: 1,332
    i remember those lyrics and I ask how they are any different from the anti-war songs sung by EV and PJ?
  • arqarq Posts: 8,049
    I was thinking about this earlier today, what if there was conclusive evidende that MJ molested those kid, should we praise Him if that was the case? His music and his private life aren't two diffent things? If tomorrow some scientific discover the cure to a deadly disease but at the same time is revealed that he killed 40 kids in the process, are we going to use the cure he discovered and praise him for saving a lot of life for generations to come forgeting the deads of the kids?

    i know MJ made some nice music but how he is going to be remembered in 30 years? Like the weirdo who could've molested some kid in the past or as the king of pop?
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  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    arq wrote:
    I was thinking about this earlier today, what if there was conclusive evidende that MJ molested those kid, should we praise Him if that was the case? His music and his private life aren't two diffent things? If tomorrow some scientific discover the cure to a deadly disease but at the same time is revealed that he killed 40 kids in the process, are we going to use the cure he discovered and praise him for saving a lot of life for generations to come forgeting the deads of the kids?

    i know MJ made some nice music but how he is going to be remembered in 30 years? Like the weirdo who could've molested some kid in the past or as the king of pop?

    I'll go with King Of POP

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  • covered in blisscovered in bliss chi-caw-go Posts: 1,332
    arq wrote:
    I was thinking about this earlier today, what if there was conclusive evidende that MJ molested those kid, should we praise Him if that was the case? His music and his private life aren't two diffent things? If tomorrow some scientific discover the cure to a deadly disease but at the same time is revealed that he killed 40 kids in the process, are we going to use the cure he discovered and praise him for saving a lot of life for generations to come forgeting the deads of the kids?

    i know MJ made some nice music but how he is going to be remembered in 30 years? Like the weirdo who could've molested some kid in the past or as the king of pop?


    if he really did molest kids, he will get his in the end. I don't believe in god but I believe in shit coming back to you. If his kids suffer unspeakably and wind up begging for quarters on hollywood blvd., we will know.

    until then, we don't know.
  • JeanwahJeanwah Posts: 6,363
    edited June 2009
    CJMST3K wrote:

    Anyone remember Paul McCartney telling Michael, while they were friends, that Paul intended to secure the Beatles rights - implying that MJ should do that with his own catalog - but instead MJ stabs Paul in the back and buys the Beatles catalog out from under him, by bidding the most money?

    Seems like a very very shady thing to do, especially when given the idea by the person he screwed, no?

    RIP - MJ

    Question -- I always wondered how MJ bought the Beatles royalties, when the songwriters should have had first and only dibs, since they basically "own" the songs. That's how Roger Daltry and Entwhistle went broke, because they never wrote any songs, I thought, hence never received any royalties; It was all Pete. That was the case they were going back on tour at an older age. So I'd love to understand how MJ could have won out the rights to McCartney's songs when Paul was the author and MJ had nothing to do with the songs?
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  • covered in blisscovered in bliss chi-caw-go Posts: 1,332
    Jeanwah wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:

    Anyone remember Paul McCartney telling Michael, while they were friends, that Paul intended to secure the Beatles rights - implying that MJ should do that with his own catalog - but instead MJ stabs Paul in the back and buys the Beatles catalog out from under him, by bidding the most money?

    Seems like a very very shady thing to do, especially when given the idea by the person he screwed, no?

    RIP - MJ

    Question -- I always wondered how MJ bought the Beatles royalties, when the songwriters should have had first dibs, since they basically "own" the song. That's how Roger Daltry and Entwhistle went broke, because they never wrote any songs, hence never received any royalties. It was all Pete. That was the case they were going back on tour at an older age. So I'd love to understand how MJ could have won out the rights to McCartney's songs when Paul was the author and MJ had nothing to do with the songs?

    the kings' daughter.
  • Kilgore_TroutKilgore_Trout Posts: 7,334
    Jeanwah wrote:
    CJMST3K wrote:

    Anyone remember Paul McCartney telling Michael, while they were friends, that Paul intended to secure the Beatles rights - implying that MJ should do that with his own catalog - but instead MJ stabs Paul in the back and buys the Beatles catalog out from under him, by bidding the most money?

    Seems like a very very shady thing to do, especially when given the idea by the person he screwed, no?

    RIP - MJ

    Question -- I always wondered how MJ bought the Beatles royalties, when the songwriters should have had first and only dibs, since they basically "own" the songs. That's how Roger Daltry and Entwhistle went broke, because they never wrote any songs, I thought, hence never received any royalties; It was all Pete. That was the case they were going back on tour at an older age. So I'd love to understand how MJ could have won out the rights to McCartney's songs when Paul was the author and MJ had nothing to do with the songs.
    the beatles didnt own the rights to any of the pre-apple records (their indie label) recordings from what i understand

    its kindof like if epic kept all the PJ rights and then auctioned them off - i think PJ made sure they took all their songs with them when they left though

    definitely a shady/confusing move on MJ's part...
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Question -- I always wondered how MJ bought the Beatles royalties, when the songwriters should have had first and only dibs, since they basically "own" the songs. That's how Roger Daltry and Entwhistle went broke, because they never wrote any songs, I thought, hence never received any royalties; It was all Pete. That was the case they were going back on tour at an older age. So I'd love to understand how MJ could have won out the rights to McCartney's songs when Paul was the author and MJ had nothing to do with the songs?


    when michael and paul were collaborating on "say, say, say" paul told michael that the money was in owning the rights to songs....a short while later, the beatles catalog was up for sale and mike bought it...paul didn't have the money to buy...shortly thereafter, revolution was used for a nike commercial

    i believe mike had to sell the rights several years back to pay off the lawsuits brought against him...i believe paul bought the rights back....as this is from memory
  • tybirdtybird Posts: 17,388
    norm wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Question -- I always wondered how MJ bought the Beatles royalties, when the songwriters should have had first and only dibs, since they basically "own" the songs. That's how Roger Daltry and Entwhistle went broke, because they never wrote any songs, I thought, hence never received any royalties; It was all Pete. That was the case they were going back on tour at an older age. So I'd love to understand how MJ could have won out the rights to McCartney's songs when Paul was the author and MJ had nothing to do with the songs?


    when michael and paul were collaborating on "say, say, say" paul told michael that the money was in owning the rights to songs....a short while later, the beatles catalog was up for sale and mike bought it...paul didn't have the money to buy...shortly thereafter, revolution was used for a nike commercial

    i believe mike had to sell the rights several years back to pay off the lawsuits brought against him...i believe paul bought the rights back....as this is from memory
    The rumor is that Jacko knew what the Beatles (there were three alive then) and Yoko Ono was going to bid...and just out-bid them. I believe it was a sealed bid auction where you did not get a second bid. The Nike ad got pulled because while Jacko had the rights to the song, the ad however used the original recording which he did not own the rights to...the artists owned it, thus they (Paul, George, Ringo and Yoko as the estate of her husband) told Nike to take the ad off the air.

    The "royalties" are actually the PUBLISHING rights to the songs...the Beatles made this deal back in the stone age before they had the bank or the pull that now have. The same thing is true with the rights to the CCR catalog....they made a deal back before they were anybody and got screwed out of their rights...that's how Fogerty got sued for plagiarizing himself back in the 1980s.

    I do not know the current status of the rights to the Beatles' catalog.
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  • normnorm Posts: 31,146
    from wiki:

    While working with Paul McCartney on the two hit singles "The Girl Is Mine" and "Say Say Say", the pair became friendly, occasionally visiting one another. In one discussion, McCartney told Jackson about the millions of dollars he had made from music catalogs; he was earning approximately $40 million a year from other people's songs. Jackson then began a business career buying, selling and distributing publishing rights to music from numerous artists. Shortly afterward, Northern Songs—a music catalog holding thousands of songs, including The Beatles' back catalog—was put up for sale.[42][43]

    Jackson took immediate interest in the catalog but was warned that he would face strong competition. Excited, he skipped around saying, "I don't care. I want those songs. Get me those songs Branca [his attorney]". Branca then contacted the attorney of McCartney, who clarified that his client was not interested in bidding; "It's too pricey". After Jackson had started negotiations, McCartney changed his mind and tried to persuade Yoko Ono to join him in a joint bid, she declined, so he pulled out. Jackson eventually beat the rest of the competition in negotiations that lasted 10 months, purchasing the catalog for $47.5 million. When McCartney found out he said, "I think it's dodgy to do things like that. To be someone's friend and then buy the rug they're standing on". Reacting to that statement, biographer J. Randy Taraborrelli observed that McCartney made millions of dollars from the music of other people. He had more money than Jackson at that point so could have made a substantial bid for his own music and would not have suffered financial difficulties from Jackson owning the catalog

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    ATV held its controlling interest in Northern Songs until 1985, when ATV Music went up for sale. Outbidding McCartney (who'd tried unsuccessfully to persuade Yoko Ono to join him) was singer Michael Jackson, who won the bidding for a reported $47 million. The recent friendship and collaboration with McCartney and Jackson ended suddenly as a result. It turned out Ono had actually encouraged Jackson to buy the shares, telling the press after the sale, "I just feel like a friend has them."[citation needed] When asked how he felt about having Jackson as his "boss", as controller of the song catalogue, McCartney replied, "I think he needs to give me a raise."[citation needed] McCartney reportedly did ask Jackson for a royalty increase but was turned down, further cooling their relationship.[citation needed]

    In 1995, Jackson merged his catalogue with Sony Music's publishing, for a reported $95 million, establishing Sony/ATV Music Publishing, in which he retained half-ownership.[1] In April 2006 a package was proposed whereby, Jackson would borrow $300 million and reduce the interest rate payable on a loan he had, while giving Sony the future option to buy half of Jackson's stake in their jointly-owned publishing company (leaving Jackson with a 25% stake).[1] Jackson agreed to a Sony-backed refinancing deal, although the finalised details were not made public.[2] McCartney's MPL Communications has bought or secured publishing rights to several early Beatles songs not published by Northern Songs, including "Love Me Do" and "P.S. I Love You".

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  • musicismylife78musicismylife78 Posts: 6,116
    arq wrote:
    I was thinking about this earlier today, what if there was conclusive evidende that MJ molested those kid, should we praise Him if that was the case? His music and his private life aren't two diffent things? If tomorrow some scientific discover the cure to a deadly disease but at the same time is revealed that he killed 40 kids in the process, are we going to use the cure he discovered and praise him for saving a lot of life for generations to come forgeting the deads of the kids?

    i know MJ made some nice music but how he is going to be remembered in 30 years? Like the weirdo who could've molested some kid in the past or as the king of pop?


    there is no evidence he molested anyone. The is evidence that he was the victim of a shakedown attempt by a crazy mother
  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    musicismylife78 wrote:
    arq wrote:
    I was thinking about this earlier today, what if there was conclusive evidende that MJ molested those kid, should we praise Him if that was the case? His music and his private life aren't two diffent things? If tomorrow some scientific discover the cure to a deadly disease but at the same time is revealed that he killed 40 kids in the process, are we going to use the cure he discovered and praise him for saving a lot of life for generations to come forgeting the deads of the kids?

    i know MJ made some nice music but how he is going to be remembered in 30 years? Like the weirdo who could've molested some kid in the past or as the king of pop?


    there is no evidence he molested anyone. The is evidence that he was the victim of a shakedown attempt by a crazy mother

    if there was no evidence why did he pay Jordi Chandler's family $20 million to shut the fuck up. if i was an innocent man i'd fight the charges all the way... not buy silence.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • surfanddestroysurfanddestroy Posts: 2,786
    dunkman wrote:

    if there was no evidence why did he pay Jordi Chandler's family $20 million to shut the fuck up. if i was an innocent man i'd fight the charges all the way... not buy silence.

    And if it was your child and it actually happened and you wasnt just after the money would you settle out of court, or would you want him put away for what he did to your child.

    His name was being dragged through the mud he just wanted it over with.
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  • Irish AlIrish Al Posts: 6,236
    surfanddestroy wrote:
    dunkman wrote:

    if there was no evidence why did he pay Jordi Chandler's family $20 million to shut the fuck up. if i was an innocent man i'd fight the charges all the way... not buy silence.

    And if it was your child and it actually happened and you wasnt just after the money would you settle out of court, or would you want him put away for what he did to your child.

    His name was being dragged through the mud he just wanted it over with.

    I'd want the fucker dead and it wouldnt matter how much money he offered me :evil:

    But I have always liked his music :roll:
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    surfanddestroy wrote:
    dunkman wrote:

    if there was no evidence why did he pay Jordi Chandler's family $20 million to shut the fuck up. if i was an innocent man i'd fight the charges all the way... not buy silence.

    And if it was your child and it actually happened and you wasnt just after the money would you settle out of court, or would you want him put away for what he did to your child.

    His name was being dragged through the mud he just wanted it over with.

    since there is no option for 'headbutting him to death' then i'm not sure... 3 months in jail and/or a warning.... or $20million to never have to worry about life again? I'd leave it up to my kids on that one....

    $20 million to 'get something over with'? seems a bit excessive.... hardly the first allegation of child abuse either...
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • surfanddestroysurfanddestroy Posts: 2,786
    dunkman wrote:
    hardly the first allegation of child abuse either...

    Yeah but as soon as one person says something and gets some money everyone jumps on the bandwagon, doesn't mean that it is true.
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  • purple_chick79purple_chick79 Posts: 570
    He didn't molest those kids. There was a tape recording of 1 of the parents on the news yesterday talking about how if he gets his way he's all set. Those kids lied for the parents to extort money out of him, and it worked. They took advantage of his personality, odd as it was. They took advantage of the fact that he liked hanging with young boys because of his own fucked up childhood.

    No amount of money would be enough if my kid was molested like these kids say they were. It was always about the money. I'd want the fucker who touched my kids hanged. The fact that they took his money and in turn lost everything is sad and those people should be ashamed of themselves.

    May MJ RIP
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  • dunkmandunkman Posts: 19,646
    surfanddestroy wrote:
    dunkman wrote:
    hardly the first allegation of child abuse either...

    Yeah but as soon as one person says something and gets some money everyone jumps on the bandwagon, doesn't mean that it is true.

    look, his music will standup for him... as for the rest of his sideshow i couldnt give a fuck... some guy who prattles on about peace and love and world poverty for kids and all that shit... then he's in a shop spending $34million on fucking gold mirrors and statues...

    plus he fucked over McCartney.... thats the real reason i loathe him ;)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Irish AlIrish Al Posts: 6,236
    dunkman wrote:
    plus he fucked over McCartney.... thats the real reason i loathe him ;)

    In fairness McCartney didnt have the finances to match him :lol: ....oh wait who's the richest Pop Star in the world.... :twisted:
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  • HorosHoros Posts: 4,518
    norm wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Question -- I always wondered how MJ bought the Beatles royalties, when the songwriters should have had first and only dibs, since they basically "own" the songs. That's how Roger Daltry and Entwhistle went broke, because they never wrote any songs, I thought, hence never received any royalties; It was all Pete. That was the case they were going back on tour at an older age. So I'd love to understand how MJ could have won out the rights to McCartney's songs when Paul was the author and MJ had nothing to do with the songs?


    when michael and paul were collaborating on "say, say, say" paul told michael that the money was in owning the rights to songs....a short while later, the beatles catalog was up for sale and mike bought it...paul didn't have the money to buy...shortly thereafter, revolution was used for a nike commercial

    i believe mike had to sell the rights several years back to pay off the lawsuits brought against him...i believe paul bought the rights back....as this is from memory
    From what I heard yesterday he still owned the rights to the Beatle catalogue but had them morgaged to the tune of $500 million(or at least that's what they are currently valued at.)
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,618
    purple_chick79 wrote:
    He didn't molest those kids. There was a tape recording of 1 of the parents on the news yesterday talking about how if he gets his way he's all set. Those kids lied for the parents to extort money out of him, and it worked. They took advantage of his personality, odd as it was. They took advantage of the fact that he liked hanging with young boys because of his own fucked up childhood.

    No amount of money would be enough if my kid was molested like these kids say they were. It was always about the money. I'd want the fucker who touched my kids hanged. The fact that they took his money and in turn lost everything is sad and those people should be ashamed of themselves.

    May MJ RIP

    Would you have the same sympathies for a neighbor who was accused of the same acts and paid his way out of trouble? Would you sympathize with that neighbor thinking the world was taking advantage of him or do you feel this way because Michael was a great entertainer? frankly it is your type of attitude why we can't convict celebrieties of crimes in this country. He was a great entertainer and sorry to see him die, but hard to argue against him being a pedophile.
  • JOEJOEJOEJOEJOEJOE Posts: 10,649
    tybird wrote:
    norm wrote:
    Jeanwah wrote:
    Question -- I always wondered how MJ bought the Beatles royalties, when the songwriters should have had first and only dibs, since they basically "own" the songs. That's how Roger Daltry and Entwhistle went broke, because they never wrote any songs, I thought, hence never received any royalties; It was all Pete. That was the case they were going back on tour at an older age. So I'd love to understand how MJ could have won out the rights to McCartney's songs when Paul was the author and MJ had nothing to do with the songs?


    when michael and paul were collaborating on "say, say, say" paul told michael that the money was in owning the rights to songs....a short while later, the beatles catalog was up for sale and mike bought it...paul didn't have the money to buy...shortly thereafter, revolution was used for a nike commercial

    i believe mike had to sell the rights several years back to pay off the lawsuits brought against him...i believe paul bought the rights back....as this is from memory
    The rumor is that Jacko knew what the Beatles (there were three alive then) and Yoko Ono was going to bid...and just out-bid them. I believe it was a sealed bid auction where you did not get a second bid. The Nike ad got pulled because while Jacko had the rights to the song, the ad however used the original recording which he did not own the rights to...the artists owned it, thus they (Paul, George, Ringo and Yoko as the estate of her husband) told Nike to take the ad off the air.

    The "royalties" are actually the PUBLISHING rights to the songs...the Beatles made this deal back in the stone age before they had the bank or the pull that now have. The same thing is true with the rights to the CCR catalog....they made a deal back before they were anybody and got screwed out of their rights...that's how Fogerty got sued for plagiarizing himself back in the 1980s.

    I do not know the current status of the rights to the Beatles' catalog.

    Very well-put. Publishing rights relate to the composition of the song, so bands that release covers don't make the same amount of royalties as they would on their own songs.

    Record royalties relate to the actual master recordings of the song. The record labels usually own the masters, but in many cases, the rights to the masters revert back to the artist after a certain number of years.

    If a band wants to re-release songs for which the masters are still owned by a label, they sometimes will re-record them in order to avaoid dealing with their (usually former) label.
  • CJMST3KCJMST3K Posts: 9,722
    The first half of this is funny. :)
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  • Bathgate66Bathgate66 Posts: 15,813
    regardless of all of his eccentricities
    the man is an Amercian icon and legend .
    Few could perform or have people in the palm of his hands by his mere prescence like Michael.
    50 years old is too young for anyone. Seeing all the clips and coverage lately , my heart hurts the most when i see the clips of the little boys winning the amateur contest at the Apollo Theatre when Michael was only 9 , or the other clips from The Ed Sullivan Theatre , performing as The Jackson 5.
    Im also grieving for his family and all of his friends.

    I am so glad I got to witness them perform live at MSG and the first of many " Reunion " concerts, at least this is what will stick in my mind and memories , not all that other garbage .
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  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,618
    Bathgate66 wrote:
    regardless of all of his eccentricities
    the man is an Amercian icon and legend .
    Few could perform or have people in the palm of his hands by his mere prescence like Michael.
    50 years old is too young for anyone. Seeing all the clips and coverage lately , my heart hurts the most when i see the clips of the little boys winning the amateur contest at the Apollo Theatre when Michael was only 9 , or the other clips from The Ed Sullivan Theatre , performing as The Jackson 5.
    Im also grieving for his family and all of his friends.

    I am so glad I got to witness them perform live at MSG and the first of many " Reunion " concerts, at least this is what will stick in my mind and memories , not all that other garbage .

    so it is ok to be a pedophile as long as you can perform - but i guess being a pedophile is what yuo label 'garbage'
  • Bathgate66Bathgate66 Posts: 15,813
    its never okay to be a pedophile.

    thats sick .

    sorry, were you in his bed with him ?
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  • LizardLizard So Cal Posts: 12,091
    Bottom line, no one here can say conclusively one way or the other re the molestation yet everyone is acting like they KNOW.
    So I'll just lie down and wait for the dream
    Where I'm not ugly and you're lookin' at me
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