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  • demetrios
    demetrios Posts: 97,853
    i hope brendon o' brien does a great job on the new pearl jam record! :)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backspacer ... _Jam_album)
  • Ledbetterman10
    Ledbetterman10 Posts: 17,005
    lostdogs77 wrote:
    Wilco is one of those bands that I regret not getting into.

    dude, it's never to late to get into a band.
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  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    Stu42 wrote:
    So what do you guys think are the chances that backspacer is going to be properly produced and mastered? I love self-titled, but it is possibly the worst sounding record in my entire collection, and has gotten to be borderline unplayable. Have Brendan O'Brien is a good step, but he's shown to be as vulnerable to loudness wars as anyone else. Its a shame cause pearl jam is so much better then that.
    Personally, I say we got a 1:2 chance mostly because I wanna stay optimisitic and got some sounds like it'll kill on headphones. What does everyone else think?


    I think the chances are slim to none and slim is out eating a fatty burger so...

    The only thing that makes me think there might be a chance is Guns 'N Roses' Chinese Democracy was released and did not succumb to the loundess wars. Even more mindblowing is Axl was the one who made the choice to go with the dynamic version. So, since there is a relatively recent release that wasn't mastered too loud it is possible.
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    lostdogs77 wrote:
    Stephen Flow wrote:
    Quarterman98 wrote:
    I'm not sure I understand. What's wrong with the sound on self-titled?? I think riot act is their worst album, so I guess that means I think it has the worst sound...but something tells me that's not what you mean...

    it's compressed to shit and there's no headroom in the audio.

    Has anyone heard any recent releases that do sound really good? No sarcasm intended

    See my recent previous post. Chinese Democracy is the most recent well mastered record I can think of.
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    DiRtyFranK38 wrote:
    i definitely can agree that avocado is extremely compressed and there really isn't much headroom in the audio as one said. however, i feel that it basically works with the kind of songs on that album though! life wasted through marker in the sand for example, are such punchy, crunchy tunes that really work well with that sharp edge production. however, an album like yield, that would never work with. i think backspacer will have a good blend of both.


    I think you are wrong. The punch, crunchiness of the tunes is lost on a wimpy false loud sound. I was listening to The Wall today and it has WAY more punch and crunch due to the fact that there is actually impact in the notes being played...and the songs on there aren't in the style of Pearl Jam's music off the Avocado album. If the songs off of avocado were to be released without being overcompressed they would definitely have more punch and crunch than they currently do.
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    Evacuation Rules wrote:
    The 2008 bootlegs are the worst of all. Bloated bass, crispy highs and distortion galore. Every PJ release/series gets progressively worse sounding. It shocks me how many musicians simply don't care about this kind of shit.

    Yeah, it shocks me too. Back in the '70s bands were so very anal about their sound being reproduced perfectly so that the listener would feel like they were in the same room. That just doesn't happen anymore and it blows my mind.

    Alot of pot smoking was going on back then and from what I've heard a side effect of that is sensitivity to sound...perhaps bands need to get on the pot again so that they become more sensitive to this. :mrgreen:
  • Evacuation Rules
    Evacuation Rules Posts: 2,162
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    I think you are wrong. The punch, crunchiness of the tunes is lost on a wimpy false loud sound. I was listening to The Wall today and it has WAY more punch and crunch due to the fact that there is actually impact in the notes being played...and the songs on there aren't in the style of Pearl Jam's music off the Avocado album. If the songs off of avocado were to be released without being overcompressed they would definitely have more punch and crunch than they currently do.

    People don't seem to understand that music has dynamics. Loud parts and soft parts. Avocado is LOUD LOUD LOUD all the way through. Even the quiet songs are LOUD. And it sucks.

    The beginning of the Wall is a good example. You've got that quiet music at the beginning and then BAM!...it blows you away. If it was mastered like Avocado, the quiet music at the beginning would be just as loud as the band entering. Thus, no dynamics.
  • Stephen Flow
    Stephen Flow Posts: 3,327
    Evacuation Rules wrote:
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    I think you are wrong. The punch, crunchiness of the tunes is lost on a wimpy false loud sound. I was listening to The Wall today and it has WAY more punch and crunch due to the fact that there is actually impact in the notes being played...and the songs on there aren't in the style of Pearl Jam's music off the Avocado album. If the songs off of avocado were to be released without being overcompressed they would definitely have more punch and crunch than they currently do.

    People don't seem to understand that music has dynamics. Loud parts and soft parts. Avocado is LOUD LOUD LOUD all the way through. Even the quiet songs are LOUD. And it sucks.

    The beginning of the Wall is a good example. You've got that quiet music at the beginning and then BAM!...it blows you away. If it was mastered like Avocado, the quiet music at the beginning would be just as loud as the band entering. Thus, no dynamics.

    +1 Great Example.
  • 2-feign-reluctance
    2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,462
    listening to the Torino show where they played self-titled all the way through and to the AOL sessions definitely gives me an enjoyable listening experience. still, best way to hear a record is live at a show!
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  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    Evacuation Rules wrote:
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    I think you are wrong. The punch, crunchiness of the tunes is lost on a wimpy false loud sound. I was listening to The Wall today and it has WAY more punch and crunch due to the fact that there is actually impact in the notes being played...and the songs on there aren't in the style of Pearl Jam's music off the Avocado album. If the songs off of avocado were to be released without being overcompressed they would definitely have more punch and crunch than they currently do.

    People don't seem to understand that music has dynamics. Loud parts and soft parts. Avocado is LOUD LOUD LOUD all the way through. Even the quiet songs are LOUD. And it sucks.

    The beginning of the Wall is a good example. You've got that quiet music at the beginning and then BAM!...it blows you away. If it was mastered like Avocado, the quiet music at the beginning would be just as loud as the band entering. Thus, no dynamics.

    Yeah, you said it. You can "feel" the intensity of the music much much MUCH more in just listening to that small snippet of music from your example than you can in all of Avocado.
  • lostdogs77
    lostdogs77 Posts: 94
    "The Wall" is a good example of a great rock album with a classic feel. It is hard to believe
    that new music is victim to shitty mixing and engineering. I'm surprised the actual band members and
    management of PJ are not more upset about this. The compression and loudness really do limit the greatness
    of a song or album.
  • danny
    danny Posts: 2,283
    Stu42 wrote:
    So what do you guys think are the chances that backspacer is going to be properly produced and mastered? I love self-titled, but it is possibly the worst sounding record in my entire collection, and has gotten to be borderline unplayable. Have Brendan O'Brien is a good step, but he's shown to be as vulnerable to loudness wars as anyone else. Its a shame cause pearl jam is so much better then that.
    Personally, I say we got a 1:2 chance mostly because I wanna stay optimisitic and got some sounds like it'll kill on headphones. What does everyone else think?


    i just want to hear it!
    danny d
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    lostdogs77 wrote:
    "The Wall" is a good example of a great rock album with a classic feel. It is hard to believe
    that new music is victim to shitty mixing and engineering. I'm surprised the actual band members and
    management of PJ are not more upset about this. The compression and loudness really do limit the greatness
    of a song or album.

    Yeah, when I really started getting into this topic about 3 or 4 years ago I was really surprised that Pearl Jam aren't more upset about this too (I was especially surprised with the release of their S/T) because I remember reading in past interviews that when they go into the studio to record they mostly do things to try to recreate the live experience. Over compression and bad mastering definitely does not recreate the live experience.

    Tool seemed to hold out for quite awhile too since Lateralus is really really well done. One Thousand Days not so much, but even that one is still listenable.
  • hailhail82
    hailhail82 Posts: 330
    PJ, once again, needs to take a cue from Neil. The remasters on Archives Vol. 1 (I have the DVD set, so the resolution is 24/96) are unlike any digital format I've heard, new or old. I'm sure the Blu-Ray sound is much better too. Talk about warmth, as well as separation and clarity. It's like sitting in a control room.
    Using the word "methinks" in your message board posts doesn't make you look smart.
  • Sludge Factory
    Sludge Factory Posts: 976
    hailhail82 wrote:
    PJ, once again, needs to take a cue from Neil. The remasters on Archives Vol. 1 (I have the DVD set, so the resolution is 24/96) are unlike any digital format I've heard, new or old. I'm sure the Blu-Ray sound is much better too. Talk about warmth, as well as separation and clarity. It's like sitting in a control room.

    Nice, you make me want to check this out.
  • Evacuation Rules
    Evacuation Rules Posts: 2,162
    Sludge Factory wrote:
    hailhail82 wrote:
    PJ, once again, needs to take a cue from Neil. The remasters on Archives Vol. 1 (I have the DVD set, so the resolution is 24/96) are unlike any digital format I've heard, new or old. I'm sure the Blu-Ray sound is much better too. Talk about warmth, as well as separation and clarity. It's like sitting in a control room.

    Nice, you make me want to check this out.

    Neil is one of a kind in terms of his dedication to high fidelity. All of his compact discs are audiophile quality, not only the Archives sets. I've been listening to Archives Vol. 1 non-stop for the past week. It's a fascinating listen. I don't agree with most people's complaints about the content. It's a hell of a box set that is worthy of it's reputation. I can't wait for the second one. It's gonna be the shit!

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