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backspacer sound?
So what do you guys think are the chances that backspacer is going to be properly produced and mastered? I love self-titled, but it is possibly the worst sounding record in my entire collection, and has gotten to be borderline unplayable. Have Brendan O'Brien is a good step, but he's shown to be as vulnerable to loudness wars as anyone else. Its a shame cause pearl jam is so much better then that.
Personally, I say we got a 1:2 chance mostly because I wanna stay optimisitic and got some sounds like it'll kill on headphones. What does everyone else think?
Personally, I say we got a 1:2 chance mostly because I wanna stay optimisitic and got some sounds like it'll kill on headphones. What does everyone else think?
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I guess I feel like "Avacodo", "Yield", and "Vs." are clean, well-produced, good sounding albums... while "Riot Act" sounds a little muddy ("Ghost", "Save You") at times.
2000: 8/15, 8/18, 10/9, 10/11, 10/12
2003: 6/18, 6/21, 6/22
2005: 9/9, 9/28
2006:5/16, 5/17, 6/26, 6/27
2007: 8/5
2009: 8/23, 8/24
2010: 5/3, 5/4, 5/21
2011: 9/3, 9/4, 9/11, 9/12
2013: 7/19, 11/16
2014: 10/3, 10/9, 10/12, 10/17
2016: 4/16, 8/20, 8/22
2018: 8/18, 8/20, 9/2
2022: 9/18
2023: 8/31, 9/2, 9/5
it's compressed to shit and there's no headroom in the audio.
Has anyone heard any recent releases that do sound really good? No sarcasm intended
2008: MSG 1, Hartford, Mansfield 2, Ed Solo NYC 1
2009: London (O2), Philly 1, 2, 3, & 4
2010: Hartford, Boston, MSG 1 & 2
2011: Ed Solo Hartford
2012: Philly (MIA Fest)
2013: Worcester 2, Brooklyn 1 & 2, Hartford
I agree with most of what you said but I really think Comatose sounds the worst on the record... Clipping out the headroom takes away a lot of the dynamic of songs, I just kind of feel like we're missing out on some of the subtleties that would normally be there.
Pretty much anything by Wilco.
+1 By about song 5 my ears are killing me on a stereo, and on headphones the drums sound like theyre in another room. There is just no depth to the sound whatsoever. Personally, Yield is one of my favorite headphone albums and it's because of how warm the sound is, hopefully we can get back to that, even if this album turns out to be totally different.
You audiophiles need to explain yourselves better!
I think what he was referring to is the "space" in music. Opposite of compression basically, it's called compression because it makes the sound seem as if it is all piled on top of and squeezed into eachother. When a record isn't compressed, and especially on headphones, it sounds as if the music is all around you and given space, ie. headroom.
I'm not a huge audiophile, but even I noticed this. The album literally physically hurts to listen to.
Yeah I brought this up when the 08 boots were released, they sounded awful, but a lot of people here told me to stop bitching... I'm fortunate to have the recordings, I just wish they had been produced better...
Unfortunately, a lot of musicians don't realize what is going on in terms of mixing... myself, I had to take audio production classes in college for my major so I learned a bit about the whole process... after doing that I really started to take notice of the quality of recorded music in general and I've become somewhat of an audiophile over the last 4-5 years.
For those curious about headroom, this wikipedia article explains it better than I can... someone said space and that's a good description but there's a bit more to it... it's almost like a threshold of sorts... if you go past that threshold, clipping occurs. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Headroom
So now that Pearl Jam are not constrained by any record company's loudness requirements, will BOB and the mastering techs give us a dynamic sounding CD? Lets hope so!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Backspacer ... _Jam_album)
dude, it's never to late to get into a band.
Pearl Jam bootlegs:
http://wegotshit.blogspot.com
I think the chances are slim to none and slim is out eating a fatty burger so...
The only thing that makes me think there might be a chance is Guns 'N Roses' Chinese Democracy was released and did not succumb to the loundess wars. Even more mindblowing is Axl was the one who made the choice to go with the dynamic version. So, since there is a relatively recent release that wasn't mastered too loud it is possible.
See my recent previous post. Chinese Democracy is the most recent well mastered record I can think of.
I think you are wrong. The punch, crunchiness of the tunes is lost on a wimpy false loud sound. I was listening to The Wall today and it has WAY more punch and crunch due to the fact that there is actually impact in the notes being played...and the songs on there aren't in the style of Pearl Jam's music off the Avocado album. If the songs off of avocado were to be released without being overcompressed they would definitely have more punch and crunch than they currently do.
Yeah, it shocks me too. Back in the '70s bands were so very anal about their sound being reproduced perfectly so that the listener would feel like they were in the same room. That just doesn't happen anymore and it blows my mind.
Alot of pot smoking was going on back then and from what I've heard a side effect of that is sensitivity to sound...perhaps bands need to get on the pot again so that they become more sensitive to this.
People don't seem to understand that music has dynamics. Loud parts and soft parts. Avocado is LOUD LOUD LOUD all the way through. Even the quiet songs are LOUD. And it sucks.
The beginning of the Wall is a good example. You've got that quiet music at the beginning and then BAM!...it blows you away. If it was mastered like Avocado, the quiet music at the beginning would be just as loud as the band entering. Thus, no dynamics.
+1 Great Example.
Yeah, you said it. You can "feel" the intensity of the music much much MUCH more in just listening to that small snippet of music from your example than you can in all of Avocado.