Ed Ineligible!??!

chromiam

2-feign-reluctance wrote:

why is it such a big deal that ed's solo work get an oscar? there's been plenty of validation for it since it was released. its an awesome collection of work and i'm just guessing here that he didn't release it to get a bunch of awards. that's just my two cents.

Exactly... since when do awards or nominations dictate what is good and what isn't???

Cropduster84

Jwmcc wrote:

Not to mention that there is almost no baseball/Yankee related documentary without his presense in it. You would think he's the only man left alive that saw Mickey Mantle play.

lol, english sport goes over my head, nevermind American lol

YoullseeDragons

As I just said on the other thread about this, "Screw that little golden bald-headed bastard! Eddie Rocks!" 'Nuf said!

Kilgore_Trout

dontgimmenolip wrote:

Not this year. This time around, the prick is some douchebag named...



Jon Stewart.

aw man im sure ed and jon would really hit it off... id love to witness that conversation... i bet jons a PJ fan... i wonder if ed will still attend the show just to support

beachdweller

BernardWrangle wrote:

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/01/22/jonny-greenwood-disqualified-from-oscar-race-rolling-stones-may-sell-back-catalogue-snoop-collaborating-with-beckham-and-more/

Jonny Greenwood’s score for There Will Be Blood was shut out of Oscar consideration after the Academy ruled it fell under the heading of “scores diluted by the use of tracked themes or other pre-existing music,” Variety reports. Into the Wild was also ruled ineligible due to “predominant use of songs.” Check back later today for more on the Oscar nominations.

that's for the score, and that makes sense to me, but what about the individual song category, no excuse there.

YoullseeDragons

BoSoxFan11 wrote:

I just issued a complaint on the oscars website. i don't know if will do any good but if we flood their e-mail with complaints it will at least make someone's day miserable over there.

I think they just have something against Eddie Vedder no nomination for Big Fish or Singles and now nothing for Into the Wild...But Enchanted got 3 nods this is kind of like Jethro Tull winning the best Heavy metal album over Metallica.

I just submitted my complaint, viva La Vedder!

MookieBlaylock5v1

I love it when people get their panties in a wad over things like this...

if you want to be upset, then be upset that Eddie was shut out of the original song category, not SCORE. A film score is the entire music backdrop of the film, generally written by one composer.

I agree that the Into the Wild soundtrack is NOT a score, but a group of songs. Plus, Eddie was not the sole songwriter on the soundtrack. If you look at the credits, at least a couple songs were not conceived by Eddie even though he performed them.

Jwmcc

and if I remember correctly, in the credits at the beginning of the film those other writers/composers are mentioned even before Ed.

Come Back in Black

sgossard3 wrote:

aw man im sure ed and jon would really hit it off... id love to witness that conversation... i bet jons a PJ fan... i wonder if ed will still attend the show just to support

No... Jon is a Michael Bolton fan. He celebrates his entire collection.

norm

here's the rule.....still a bunch of horseshit!!



Rule Sixteen
Special Rules for the Music Awards

A. CATEGORIES
I. Original Score:
An original score is a substantial body of music in the form of original dramatic underscoring written specifically for the film by the submitting composer.

II. Original Song:
An original song consists of words and music, both of which are original and written specifically for the film. There must be a clearly audible, intelligible, substantive rendition (not necessarily visually presented) of both lyric and melody, used in the body of the film or as the first music cue in the end credits.

III. Original Musical:
An original musical consists of not fewer than five original songs (as defined in A.II above) by the same writer or team of writers either used as voice-overs or visually performed. Each of these songs must be substantively rendered, clearly audible, intelligible, and must further the storyline. What is simply an arbitrary group of songs unessential to the storyline of the film will not be considered eligible. The adapter (if any) or the composer of the instrumental score may be considered eligible — in this category only — if his or her contribution is deemed relevant and substantial.


B. ELIGIBILITY

1. The work must be specifically created for the eligible feature-length motion picture.

2. The work must be the result of a creative interaction between the film maker(s) and the composer(s) or songwriter(s) who have been engaged to work directly on the film.

3. The measure of the work's qualification shall be its effectiveness, craftsmanship, creative substance and relevance to the dramatic whole.

4. The work must be recorded for use in the film prior to any other usage including public performance or exploitation through any of the media whatsoever.

5. Only the principal composer(s) or song writer(s) responsible for the conception and execution of the work as a whole shall be eligible for an award. This expressly excludes from eligibility all of the following:

(a) supervisors

(b) partial contributors (e.g., any writer not responsible for the over-all design of the work)

(c) contributors working on speculation

(d) scores diluted by the use of themes tracked or other pre-existing music

(e) scores diminished in impact by the predominant use of songs

(f) scores assembled from the music of more than one composer.

6. No more than two statuettes will normally be given in the Original Song category. A third statuette may be awarded when there are three essentially equal contributors to a song.

7. The Executive Committee shall resolve all rules interpretations and all questions of eligibility.

8. It is within the sole and confidential discretion of the Board of Governors to determine what awards, if any, shall be given.

C. SUBMISSION

1. For an achievement to be eligible for nomination in any of the three music categories, an OFFICIAL SUBMISSION FORM, obtainable from the Academy, must be requested personally by the principal writer(s) who alone may make the submission.

2. The submission form must be signed by all submitting writers and must be accompanied by a complete Music Cue Sheet (listing all music cues), Vocal Lead Sheets (in the Original Song and Original Musical categories), and in the Original Song category, a DVD clip of each song showing how each song is used in the film.

3. Submissions may be made prior to the qualifying Los Angeles release opening, but must be made no later than sixty days after such opening, or Thursday, December 1, 2005, whichever comes first.

4. The Executive Committee has the right, but not the obligation, to initiate submissions in all three categories, but must do so no later than noon of December 31, 2005.

D. VOTING

1. A reminder list of works submitted in the Original Score and Original Musical categories shall be sent with a nominations ballot to all members of the Academy Music Branch who shall vote in the order of their preference for not more than five achievements in each category.

2. In the Original Score category (and Original Musical category, if activated), the five achievements in each category receiving the highest number of votes on mail ballots will become the nominations for final voting for the award.

3. In the Original Song category, Music Branch members shall meet to screen clips of the eligible songs and vote on the achievements. Following the screening of the clips, voting shall be conducted as follows:

Nominations will be determined by an averaged point system of voting using 10, 9.5, 9, 8.5, 8, 7.5, 7, 6.5 or 6. Only those songs receiving an average score of 8.25 or more shall be eligible for nomination. There may not be more than five nor fewer than three nominations.

4. If there are 25 or fewer qualified works submitted in any category, the Executive Committee may recommend to the Board of Governors that nominations be limited to three. If there are nine or fewer qualifying works submitted in any category, the Executive Committee may recommend to the Board of Governors that no award be given in that category for the current year.

5. The category of Original Musical (III) may be activated only by special request of the Music Branch Executive Committee to the Board of Governors in a year when the field of eligible submissions is determined to be of sufficient quantity and quality to justify award competition .

6. The entire active and life Academy membership shall vote for final selections in each category: ORIGINAL SCORE, ORIGINAL SONG and ORIGINAL MUSICAL.

http://www.oscars.org/78academyawards/rules/rule16.html

Cosmo

Actually... it makes sense. The category is Original Score... which is basically theme music played throughout the movie. Like the Star Wars music or the Godfather music.
'Into The Wild' is a collection of songs... like the Bee Gees 'Saturday Night Fever'. That doesn't mean there is a possibility of a best Original song nomination out there.

rhinomagic

BoSoxFan11 wrote:

I think they just have something against Eddie Vedder no nomination for...Singles...

I know you meant for the music (which still wasn't Oscar-worthy), but I can't stop laughing at the idea of him being nominated for his acting.

Does staring at a television program about bees qualify him as Supporting Actor?



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Dr. Delight

So, Ed was not nominated for Best Original Song for Film?

W.C. Carter

Wasn't Eddie the guy that told the whole world that he didn't think a Grammy meant anything AFTER WINNING ONE? I don't think he'll be too broken up about this

LanceUppercut

Does winning an oscar make the song any better? The academy only likes overly produced disney music anyway.

meme

tdub wrote:

I'm not sure what this means. I don't think it means anything. That's just how I feel.

All of a sudden Ed's take on award presentations makes sense, huh?

That's hilarious

emeraldkity

I think award shows can be fun but screwy.

Its like when I was younger and it was the kiss of death if they started playing a band you liked on the radio.

The Academy awards are very traditional- and perhaps they were afraid if Eddie won- he would put them over schedule with one of his rants.

Many composers haven't been acknowledged- Eddie has some esteemed company.

None of Bernard Herrmann's innovative and memorable scores for any of Alfred Hitchcock's thrillers won, let alone got nominated. They include "Vertigo," "North by Northwest" and "Psycho," the latter possibly the most imitated score in horror-movie history. In fact, Herrmann was overlooked for 30 years until he received two posthumous noms (in 1976) for "Obsession" and "Taxi Driver."

http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=awardcentral&jump=features&id=musicii07&articleid=VR1117959350

Mrs.Vedder78

LongRd. wrote:

The Oscars have always had some serious weird ass rules.
For example: Best Foreign Language film. Not only does the film have to be non-English but it has to be PRODUCED* outside the U.S. as well.

*Meaning that even if an American production company help financed the film outside the States, it will be ineligible as well.

and besides I think that these use of songs business is relevant only to the score, the score is the entire group of songs so they probably ruled it ineligible because Society and Hard Sun are covers.

As far as the Best Original Song category, I think that was just not nominated because they didnt feel like it deserved it, not because it was ineligible.

gozzo5058

BernardWrangle wrote:

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/index.php/2008/01/22/jonny-greenwood-disqualified-from-oscar-race-rolling-stones-may-sell-back-catalogue-snoop-collaborating-with-beckham-and-more/

Jonny Greenwood’s score for There Will Be Blood was shut out of Oscar consideration after the Academy ruled it fell under the heading of “scores diluted by the use of tracked themes or other pre-existing music,” Variety reports. Into the Wild was also ruled ineligible due to “predominant use of songs.” Check back later today for more on the Oscar nominations.

interesting, would like to find out more on this...

CitizenRick

I thought he was a favorite for the oscar's? WTF? Didn't he have 3 songs on the oscar short list a month ago?

How the fuck didn't they know about these rules back then? This whole time I thought that he was a shoe in for a best original song nomination.