"pearl jam" revisited, 2 yrs later.

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  • Gmoney
    Gmoney Posts: 1,618
    Flagg wrote:
    No, I think it has more of a theme than any of the others. That being the war in Iraq and how it affects people's lives and what it is like to live in America these days. Songs like WWS, Marker in the Sand, Army Wives, Come Back, Unemployable, Gone are all related to that idea.
    See I think avocado didnt live up to being an "anti war album". WWS, and Army Reserve are the only songs that strike a nerve for me. I know other songs are indirectly related to the topic, but to me, it's not very anti war. My friends who are more casual pj fans only credit wws with being anti war...
    Further back and forth a wave will break on me, today...
  • QuarterToTen
    QuarterToTen Cincinnati, Ohio Posts: 3,649
    sorry to say, but the avocado disappoints me as much today
    as it did 2 years ago. it's just lacking a certain....something.

    as much as i want to love it, i just don't.
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  • pjsteelerfan
    pjsteelerfan Maryland Posts: 9,905
    was avacado supposed to be anti war? I agree, I only think WWS and AR fit into that theme.
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  • Flagg
    Flagg Posts: 5,856
    Gmoney wrote:
    See I think avocado didnt live up to being an "anti war album". WWS, and Army Reserve are the only songs that strike a nerve for me. I know other songs are indirectly related to the topic, but to me, it's not very anti war. My friends who are more casual pj fans only credit wws with being anti war...


    Did I actually write "Army Wives"? Hahaha - I meant Army Reserve. Army Wives is that Lifetime show. What a dork!


    I see what you are saying though.
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  • Carlos D
    Carlos D Posts: 638
    The production was awful,the songs sounded good in the AOL sessions but whatever way they did Ed's voice on it it's just distressing.This whole thing of bands like REM,U2 an Pj 'going back to their roots' by dumbing down their music and shouting when people don't like their new stuff can't be doing anyone any favours.

    Also, they shouldn't allow anyone other than Ed write the songs.Yes Mike wrote Inside Job but the other guys are really losing it as far as songwriting goes on the last few albums(Big Wave?Get Right?Evacuation?)
    I personally loved Binaural and Riot Act but I'd like to see them go a different direction,something Bruce Springsteeny or Neil Youngish would be great....or they could be really brave and make a techno album.
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  • Gmoney
    Gmoney Posts: 1,618
    Flagg wrote:
    Did I actually write "Army Wives"? Hahaha - I meant Army Reserve. Army Wives is that Lifetime show. What a dork!


    I see what you are saying though.
    hahahha. i like army wives better ;)
    Further back and forth a wave will break on me, today...
  • SENROCK
    SENROCK Posts: 10,736
    got me a BIG WAVE ride me a big wave got me a big WAAAAAAAVE!!!!
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  • gregkitefan
    gregkitefan Posts: 1,122
    I love it.
    The songs sounded great live.
    Much better than Riot Act.
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  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    Crazy Breed wrote:
    i think it is/was a great album though.Better than Riot Act for sure (sorry Yosi)

    I didn't realize that people really know me as the Riot Act loving guy :D

    I think that Avocado is good, but definitely not their best. My 3 favorite PJ albums are RA, Binaural and Yield. They really kept evolving in a good direction but missed something with Avocado.

    To me, all the songs are good, but I think they don't work as a studio album. The songs really capture a live feeling, but not this feeling of cohesion that everyone keeps mentioning. I don't know. Just rambling...
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  • giventofly0812
    giventofly0812 Posts: 218
    the songs are amazing live, i personally saw come back live, and i dont go a day without listening to the recording
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  • tschav
    tschav Posts: 2,899
    I overdosed on the avocado album - it was the only cd in my car the summer of 2006. Since I wasn't a huge fan of Binaural and Riot Act, this album just struck the right chord.

    Over a year later, though, I've been hooked on the bootlegs, especially the Vic show and the Gorge box set - the studio album doesn't sound as strong.
  • hopethatuchoke
    hopethatuchoke Posts: 2,927
    Sexy2aFault wrote:
    I contend that this is there most relevent album since the VS-Vitalogy days.


    I equate relevance in albums to it's influence on other musicians and it's continued popularity long after release. This album doesn't come close to Vs. and Vitalogy in either area. I enjoy the album but it doesn't stick out amongst other good albums from other artists the past 2 years. Maybe we have different views on what relevance means.
  • Cropduster84
    Cropduster84 Posts: 1,283
    yosi wrote:
    I think that Avocado is good, but definitely not their best. My 3 favorite PJ albums are RA, Binaural and Yield. They really kept evolving in a good direction but missed something with Avocado.




    I agree 100% with this.....


    Nice one Yosi..... :)


    If anything, on Avocado I prefer the second half of the album, i LOVE Big Wave, Army Reserve and Unemployable.....
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  • Dogman3
    Dogman3 Posts: 330
    Whats with all this theme bullshit? Not all albums need a theme.

    I love it. Better than Binaural too. Its hard to believe its been 2 years already. We need a new album!
  • Cropduster84
    Cropduster84 Posts: 1,283
    Dogman3 wrote:
    Its hard to believe its been 2 years already. We need a new album!

    Reckon it'll be another year at least..... :(
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  • Dogman3
    Dogman3 Posts: 330
    They're becoming like damn U2. I love U2, but its like, damn, 4 years between each album?
  • Sexy2aFault
    Sexy2aFault Posts: 388
    hopethatuchoke wrote:
    I equate relevance in albums to it's influence on other musicians and it's continued popularity long after release. This album doesn't come close to Vs. and Vitalogy in either area. I enjoy the album but it doesn't stick out amongst other good albums from other artists the past 2 years. Maybe we have different views on what relevance means.


    I wouldn't say "as" relevent, but the most relevent "since". The Relevence ratio to me is Content x Buzz. Why do you have buzz, in this case, because it was politically relevent and had the best reviews in a decade. Also, since it's release it is "OK" to like PJ again amongst the indie folk. The Strokes, Interpol, the Killers and many other newer bands have gotten people past the Creed sounds like PJ backlash the band had to endure in the early 2000's. The killed at Lollapalooza and will kill at Bonnaroo watch.

    I am also aware that what I said above makes little sense. Who farted?
  • U R A Crazy Breed
    U R A Crazy Breed Posts: 8,370
    yosi wrote:

    To me, all the songs are good, but I think they don't work as a studio album. The songs really capture a live feeling, but not this feeling of cohesion that everyone keeps mentioning.


    you make an excellent point.They are much better live.more so than their other albums. (as far as the difference between the two is concerned.)
  • LloydChristmas
    LloydChristmas Posts: 224
    QuarterToTen wrote:
    sorry to say, but the avocado disappoints me as much today
    as it did 2 years ago. it's just lacking a certain....something.

    as much as i want to love it, i just don't.

    Finally, someone I can agree with. Many past albums grew on me as I listened to them but Avocado has not. I gave it so many trys forcing myself to listen to it but I can't get into. I've been craving a new album since Riot Act bc I can't listen to this one. I can't even get into one song. Sorry PJ fans!
  • No_ones_rival
    No_ones_rival Posts: 385
    Cropduster84 wrote:
    I agree 100% with this.....


    Nice one Yosi..... :)


    If anything, on Avocado I prefer the second half of the album, i LOVE Big Wave, Army Reserve and Unemployable.....

    my thoughts exactly.
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