Tiananmen Square - 20 Years Ago Today

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  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Smellyman wrote:
    I lived in the US for 32 years so I am well aware of what it is like. Living and traveling in Asia has been the best so far. Hong Kong is a fantastic to place to live and good hub for travel to anywhere is SE Asia and up to China, Japan, Korea....

    Only bad part is no Mexican food and no Pearl Jam. :(

    You can't get Mexican food in HK?

    Pearl Jam should definitely play Hong Kong. That would be fucking great.

    there are couple of places, taco Loco and coyotes, but it is more like really bad tex mex. Usually consists of just chicken or beef wrapped in a tortilla. Usually dry with not much flavor or cheese.

    It is the equivalent to eating Chinese food in the US. It isn't remotely close to the real thing. Chinese food has so many different varieties and is outstanding, but what passes in the US is pretty bad.
  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    Frontline did a pretty good documentary called tankman

    Watch the full episode here.
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/
  • NoKNoK Posts: 824
    having the humility to admit that other people may have already researched a topic to much greater depth than oneself, and may have come to a conclusion that relates closely to ones already informed opinions on said topic, is not a bad thing. either is the odd lazy spell ;)
    I LIKE it when people post articles/vids here, and it annoys me when people criticize it...what can a little extra info hurt? :roll:

    I think he's just trying to stir shit up or "be argumentative" to put it more nicely. I find the topic interesting especially after several reports of possible Chinese espionage activity in Australia came out. I'm not quite sure what exactly they were hoping to get from spying on us haha
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    Byrnzie wrote:
    jlew24asu wrote:
    so sad. what a fucked up place...

    The funny thing is, I'd rather live here than In America.

    good for you. personally, I could never live in a place that doesn't embrace or allow freedom. although China does have amazing history, I'll give ya that
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,500
    Byrnzie wrote:
    I'll just say this, there are plenty of nice, friendly places with low crime in the US as well. Some great food and certainly hot chicks (of all ethnicities ;))...now history, not so much, too young for a lot of great history.

    I've nto been to China, my wife has for a shorter trip. Though, I don't have a whole lot of interest in going either. I guess what I mean to say, is it's low on my list and my list is long, I would love to see everywhere and everything, but that ain't going to happen.

    Don't get me wrong, I love America too. I've been all across the U.S and will travel across it again one day.

    The thing that excites me about being here now though is that I can get to see so many interesting places. I have a big hard on for traveling right now...and taking photo's of these places.
    Next month I'm going to the West lake in Hangzhou to witness a total solar eclipse. The following weekend I'm off to Xi'an to see the Terracotta army. Then In October I may go up to Beijing or to Yunnan province in the south. I also plan to take a boat down the Yangtze river next year, e.t.c, e.t.c.

    Yep, I know what you mean. Have a blast!
    hippiemom = goodness
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Smellyman wrote:
    Frontline did a pretty good documentary called tankman

    Watch the full episode here.
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/

    Cheers, I'll check it out.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    NoK wrote:
    I think he's just trying to stir shit up or "be argumentative" to put it more nicely.

    No shit? :o
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    It's kind of ironic that the same year Chinese tanks were crushing civilians in Tienanmen Square American tanks were crushing civilians in Panama.

    And talking of press freedom and suppressing past events, how many Americans are even aware of what happened in Panama?
  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 16,500
    Byrnzie wrote:
    It's kind of ironic that the same year Chinese tanks were crushing civilians in Tienanmen Square American tanks were crushing civilians in Panama.

    And talking of press freedom and suppressing past events, how many Americans are even aware of what happened in Panama?

    Just you....wait...are you American? Maybe no Americans know.

    But I'm sure you'll post a link. ;)

    EDIT: Oh hell, I didn't notice your thread and your previous links. ;)
    hippiemom = goodness
  • I'm American and I surprised myself because I actually know about it. I only learned it recently though while reading this:

    http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secrets-Dy ... 584&sr=8-1

    I do think that many people in my age range that live in the area I live in do not know about it though...
  • jlew24asujlew24asu Posts: 10,118
    I'm American and I surprised myself because I actually know about it. I only learned it recently though while reading this:

    http://www.amazon.com/Family-Secrets-Dy ... 584&sr=8-1

    I do think that many people in my age range that live in the area I live in do not know about it though...

    how old are you?
  • g under pg under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,200
    An excellent interviews today on Tiananmen Square with those who were there to take pictures, involved and arrested in the uprising.


    20 Years Later, Chinese Dissident Wang Juntao and US Journalist Philip Cunningham Look Back on Tiananmen Square Uprising
    Twenty years ago, the Chinese military gunned down student protesters in Tiananmen Square. As twentieth anniversary events are held around the world, we speak with Wang Juntao, a prominent Chinese dissident who was sentenced to thirteen years imprisonment and now lives in exile in the United States, and Philip Cunningham, an American journalist who marched with the students and is author of a new book Tiananmen Moon: Inside the Chinese Student Uprising of 1989.

    Peace
    *We CAN bomb the World to pieces, but we CAN'T bomb it into PEACE*...Michael Franti

    *MUSIC IS the expression of EMOTION.....and that POLITICS IS merely the DECOY of PERCEPTION*
    .....song_Music & Politics....Michael Franti

    *The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite INSANE*....Nikola Tesla(a man who shaped our world of electricity with his futuristic inventions)


  • SmellymanSmellyman Asia Posts: 4,524
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Smellyman wrote:
    Frontline did a pretty good documentary called tankman

    Watch the full episode here.
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/

    Cheers, I'll check it out.

    Just curious, were you allowed to view this in China?
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    Smellyman wrote:
    Byrnzie wrote:
    Smellyman wrote:
    Frontline did a pretty good documentary called tankman

    Watch the full episode here.
    http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/tankman/

    Cheers, I'll check it out.

    Just curious, were you allowed to view this in China?

    No. I viewed with a proxy though.
  • soulsingingsoulsinging Posts: 13,202
    Byrnzie wrote:
    It's kind of ironic that the same year Chinese tanks were crushing civilians in Tienanmen Square American tanks were crushing civilians in Panama.

    And talking of press freedom and suppressing past events, how many Americans are even aware of what happened in Panama?

    There's a difference between not knowing because you're not allowed to read about it (China, unless you break the law and use proxies to see it) and not knowing because you and most of your fellow citizens couldn't care less (America). We could argue all day about which is worse, but the fact is you can't equate them. It's sad how unaware Americans are of the world around them, but that's not because the information is unavailable. Not the same issues.
  • ByrnzieByrnzie Posts: 21,037
    There's a difference between not knowing because you're not allowed to read about it (China, unless you break the law and use proxies to see it) and not knowing because you and most of your fellow citizens couldn't care less (America). We could argue all day about which is worse, but the fact is you can't equate them. It's sad how unaware Americans are of the world around them, but that's not because the information is unavailable. Not the same issues.

    You've just demonstrated perfectly how the American propaganda system works. It has nothing to do with Americans not caring. They were lied to about what happened. Watch the documentary 'The Panama Deception' if you're interested in seeing what Americans were told at the time.
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