because China doesnt allow discussions about this event. I'm very concerned that his internet is probably being tracked and himself watched by the Chinese authorizes. China is a fucked up place that doesnt allow freedom
So you always like to go around in circles? How about I draw a flowchart for you
1. OP mentions problems in China
2. You are concerned for his safety
3. You say the OP hinted towards jack shit
4. You are again concerned for his safety.
There are only two logical outcomes here:
1: The OP is criticizing the Chinese government and you are concerned for his safety
2: The OP hints towards jack shit and your concern is a joke.
Which is it? You cannot have half of both.
The question of age was more of a comment. Too bad you missed it.
because China doesnt allow discussions about this event. I'm very concerned that his internet is probably being tracked and himself watched by the Chinese authorizes. China is a fucked up place that doesnt allow freedom
So you always like to go around in circles? How about I draw a flowchart for you
1. OP mentions problems in China
2. You are concerned for his safety
3. You say the OP hinted towards jack shit
4. You are again concerned for his safety.
There are only two logical outcomes here:
1: The OP is criticizing the Chinese government and you are concerned for his safety
2: The OP hints towards jack shit and your concern is a joke.
Which is it? You cannot have half of both.
The question of age was more of a comment. Too bad you missed it.
like I said, the OP didnt mention any problems in China. but did an excellent job of cutting and pasting. and I am concerned for his safety. China is know to have been watching those who mention Tiananmen. its a fucked up place.
Anyway, back to the thread topic, if that's possible:
Tiananmen Square: a night of despair
A bereaved mother, pro-democracy protesters and other witnesses recall the brutal crackdown 20 years ago that claimed hundreds, possibly thousands, of Chinese lives
Anyway, back to the thread topic, if that's possible:
Tiananmen Square: a night of despair
A bereaved mother, pro-democracy protesters and other witnesses recall the brutal crackdown 20 years ago that claimed hundreds, possibly thousands, of Chinese lives
Anyway, back to the thread topic, if that's possible:
Tiananmen Square: a night of despair
A bereaved mother, pro-democracy protesters and other witnesses recall the brutal crackdown 20 years ago that claimed hundreds, possibly thousands, of Chinese lives
Surely you are not hinting towards anything in these posts. Anyway, what I did find interesting is that I was listening to an interview on the radio with the photographer who took the picture in the OP and apparently the guy standing there has never been identified or at least his identity has never been revealed.
because China doesnt allow discussions about this event. I'm very concerned that his internet is probably being tracked and himself watched by the Chinese authorizes. China is a fucked up place that doesnt allow freedom
So you always like to go around in circles? How about I draw a flowchart for you
1. OP mentions problems in China
2. You are concerned for his safety
3. You say the OP hinted towards jack shit
4. You are again concerned for his safety.
There are only two logical outcomes here:
1: The OP is criticizing the Chinese government and you are concerned for his safety
2: The OP hints towards jack shit and your concern is a joke.
Which is it? You cannot have half of both.
The question of age was more of a comment. Too bad you missed it.
like I said, the OP didnt mention any problems in China. but did an excellent job of cutting and pasting. and I am concerned for his safety. China is know to have been watching those who mention Tiananmen. its a fucked up place.
Is that the best you can do? Haha interesting to know if someone copy and pastes an article criticizing the Chinese government they aren't hinting towards anything they are just copy and pasting.
Anyway, back to the thread topic, if that's possible:
Tiananmen Square: a night of despair
A bereaved mother, pro-democracy protesters and other witnesses recall the brutal crackdown 20 years ago that claimed hundreds, possibly thousands, of Chinese lives
Surely you are not hinting towards anything in these posts. Anyway, what I did find interesting is that I was listening to an interview on the radio with the photographer who took the picture in the OP and apparently the guy standing there has never been identified or at least his identity has never been revealed.
That's right. So either he's dead or was silenced - maybe in Jail. Who knows. It's interesting though. It gives it that 'Unknown soldier' effect.
The funny thing is, I'd rather live here than In America.
me too. all countries are f'd to a certain degree, but I love my trips to China from Hong Kong.
And in 20 years, China has changed massively.
The people here are incredibly friendly. Violent crime is very low. There's also so many interesting places to see here - so much history. I love it.
Of course It has it problems though. It makes you wonder what the dinosaurs up in Beijing are so afraid of. Press freedom, and anti-corruption measures wouldn't do the country any harm.
absolutely. It is changing bit. to say China hasn't changed in 20 years isn't close to true.
It's not just the dinosaurs, it's the people of China too. When I ask my friends from China if they are upset about the news being filtered and censored. They often say it's good because it helps protect them. They don't want 1 and half billion people rebelling.
absolutely. It is changing bit. to say China hasn't changed in 20 years isn't close to true.
It's not just the dinosaurs, it's the people of China too. When I ask my friends from China if they are upset about the news being filtered and censored. They often say it's good because it helps protect them. They don't want 1 and half billion people rebelling.
I suppose those in power feel they have to control the people somehow - either by direct control, suppression, and censorship, or by using the American method of giving the illusion of freedom.
Very good article here on thought control in democratic societies for anyone interested:
"Violence is to a dictatorship what propaganda is to a democracy"
The funny thing is, I'd rather live here than In America.
Why?
Is it only because of "people are friendly"? Seriously, what are the benefits to living in China v. USA?
I speak for myself here: I'm interested in the history of the place. There's also lot's of variety here, from jungles, to deserts, to mountains e.t.c. I enjoy a better standard of living here than I've done anywhere else - including England. (Especially England) And as I said above, it's a safe place to live; I can walk anywhere at any time and feel no fear of being mugged e.t.c. Those are just the first things to spring to mind
Edit: the only thing I couldn't access on the internet was Youtube, but I've just found a way around that. And I do miss the food in England. The food here isn't all that. And I miss watching Premiership football games, but that's just because I live in a fairly small city. And I can always buy a satellite dish.
Low crime
great history
great culture
great food
VERY low crime
and hot chicks!
I forgot to mention the hot chicks. Yeah, I love Asian girls.
And you can get some really nice food here, but I still miss an English breakfast and Sunday roast dinner.
Low crime
great history
great culture
great food
VERY low crime
and hot chicks!
I forgot to mention the hot chicks. Yeah, I love Asian girls.
And you can get some really nice food here, but I still miss an English breakfast and Sunday roast dinner.
I miss cheese.....and Mexican food. When I get Nachos at a bar it is always disappointing when they are made with doritos.
The funny thing is, I'd rather live here than In America.
Why?
Is it only because of "people are friendly"? Seriously, what are the benefits to living in China v. USA?
He already said some of it.
Low crime
great history
great culture
great food
VERY low crime
and hot chicks!
Yeah, I saw what he wrote, I figured there was more.
I'll just say this, there are plenty of nice, friendly places with low crime in the US as well. Some great food and certainly hot chicks (of all ethnicities )...now history, not so much, too young for a lot of great history.
I've nto been to China, my wife has for a shorter trip. Though, I don't have a whole lot of interest in going either. I guess what I mean to say, is it's low on my list and my list is long, I would love to see everywhere and everything, but that ain't going to happen.
Low crime
great history
great culture
great food
VERY low crime
and hot chicks!
I forgot to mention the hot chicks. Yeah, I love Asian girls.
And you can get some really nice food here, but I still miss an English breakfast and Sunday roast dinner.
I miss cheese.....and Mexican food. When I get Nachos at a bar it is always disappointing when they are made with doritos.
Yeah, Mexican food is my favourite food.
The best Chinese food is in the south. Where I am - Taizhou, Zhejiang (the place mentioned in the Guardian article Jlew posted) the food is mostly seafood, which I'm not a big fan of.
I'll just say this, there are plenty of nice, friendly places with low crime in the US as well. Some great food and certainly hot chicks (of all ethnicities )...now history, not so much, too young for a lot of great history.
I've nto been to China, my wife has for a shorter trip. Though, I don't have a whole lot of interest in going either. I guess what I mean to say, is it's low on my list and my list is long, I would love to see everywhere and everything, but that ain't going to happen.
Don't get me wrong, I love America too. I've been all across the U.S and will travel across it again one day.
The thing that excites me about being here now though is that I can get to see so many interesting places. I have a big hard on for traveling right now...and taking photo's of these places.
Next month I'm going to the West lake in Hangzhou to witness a total solar eclipse. The following weekend I'm off to Xi'an to see the Terracotta army. Then In October I may go up to Beijing or to Yunnan province in the south. I also plan to take a boat down the Yangtze river next year, e.t.c, e.t.c.
Haha interesting to know if someone copy and pastes an article criticizing the Chinese government they aren't hinting towards anything they are just copy and pasting.
having the humility to admit that other people may have already researched a topic to much greater depth than oneself, and may have come to a conclusion that relates closely to ones already informed opinions on said topic, is not a bad thing. either is the odd lazy spell
I LIKE it when people post articles/vids here, and it annoys me when people criticize it...what can a little extra info hurt? :roll:
absolutely. It is changing bit. to say China hasn't changed in 20 years isn't close to true.
It's not just the dinosaurs, it's the people of China too. When I ask my friends from China if they are upset about the news being filtered and censored. They often say it's good because it helps protect them. They don't want 1 and half billion people rebelling.
you mean it's possible for people to just plain think differently than us? They must be fucked up!
k, timeout for me.....topical comments:
Watching this unfold on tv was an eye opener for me...old enough to remember vividly, but young and naive enough to be completely shocked by it...news coverage was a bit different back then. I don't recall the last time I've seen a head being crushed by a tank on prime-time...in a sickly realistic way, I think it would be beneficial if we still did...of course I don't remember the exact news commentary of the day, more just the images, but I'm sure it was something along the lines of 'what a fucked up place china is - lets watch them kill these students'...that mentality never seems to change.
while I'm sure many were innocent victims, some of those students were the ultimate dissidents.... not to sound too cheesy-american or anything ( ), but any politically minded, freedom-lovin, TRUE patriot should be paying homage to these people today. undeniable courage.
Watching this unfold on tv was an eye opener for me...old enough to remember vividly,
I remember going to a Fields of The Nephilim concert about two days after the Tienanmen Square massacre. The feeling of what had just happened was still very much in the air/the atmosphere of the gig. It was the best concert I've ever been to.
I lived in the US for 32 years so I am well aware of what it is like. Living and traveling in Asia has been the best so far. Hong Kong is a fantastic to place to live and good hub for travel to anywhere is SE Asia and up to China, Japan, Korea....
Only bad part is no Mexican food and no Pearl Jam. :(
I lived in the US for 32 years so I am well aware of what it is like. Living and traveling in Asia has been the best so far. Hong Kong is a fantastic to place to live and good hub for travel to anywhere is SE Asia and up to China, Japan, Korea....
Only bad part is no Mexican food and no Pearl Jam. :(
You can't get Mexican food in HK?
Pearl Jam should definitely play Hong Kong. That would be fucking great.
Watching this unfold on tv was an eye opener for me...old enough to remember vividly,
I remember going to a Fields of The Nephilim concert about two days after the Tienanmen Square massacre. The feeling of what had just happened was still very much in the air/the atmosphere of the gig. It was the best concert I've ever been to.
yes, man, yes...
I think I can relate, to some degree...I saw PJ four times while Katrina was happening... it was a really helpless feeling to sit and watch that for hours on end....at the shows, there was some uneasiness to the vibe, imo -.....but to be able to both reflect AND forget, and get away from the fucking tv, was a beautiful thing..... the perfect ending to my mini-tour in Saskatoon, row 2, filming for the Katrina benefit....very cathartic.
I guess I didn't choose my words that well - I don't remember THAT vividly, but seeing the image in the OP gives me a feeling similar to what I feel when I see 9/11 footage...just such a sad mix of emotion :(
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So you always like to go around in circles? How about I draw a flowchart for you
1. OP mentions problems in China
2. You are concerned for his safety
3. You say the OP hinted towards jack shit
4. You are again concerned for his safety.
There are only two logical outcomes here:
1: The OP is criticizing the Chinese government and you are concerned for his safety
2: The OP hints towards jack shit and your concern is a joke.
Which is it? You cannot have half of both.
The question of age was more of a comment. Too bad you missed it.
Perhaps after reading through this thread now will shed some light on your question.
like I said, the OP didnt mention any problems in China. but did an excellent job of cutting and pasting. and I am concerned for his safety. China is know to have been watching those who mention Tiananmen. its a fucked up place.
Tiananmen Square: a night of despair
A bereaved mother, pro-democracy protesters and other witnesses recall the brutal crackdown 20 years ago that claimed hundreds, possibly thousands, of Chinese lives
Video:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/video/2 ... men-square
Like I said, feel free not to post in threads that don't interest you.
so sad. what a fucked up place...and just about nothing has changed 20 years later
The funny thing is, I'd rather live here than In America.
Surely you are not hinting towards anything in these posts. Anyway, what I did find interesting is that I was listening to an interview on the radio with the photographer who took the picture in the OP and apparently the guy standing there has never been identified or at least his identity has never been revealed.
Thanks for your contribution to this thread.
Is that the best you can do? Haha interesting to know if someone copy and pastes an article criticizing the Chinese government they aren't hinting towards anything they are just copy and pasting.
That's right. So either he's dead or was silenced - maybe in Jail. Who knows. It's interesting though. It gives it that 'Unknown soldier' effect.
The exact same comment could have been posted in the Panama thread.
me too. all countries are f'd to a certain degree, but I love my trips to China from Hong Kong.
And in 20 years, China has changed massively.
The people here are incredibly friendly. Violent crime is very low. There's also so many interesting places to see here - so much history. I love it.
Of course It has it problems though. It makes you wonder what the dinosaurs up in Beijing are so afraid of. Press freedom, and anti-corruption measures wouldn't do the country any harm.
It's not just the dinosaurs, it's the people of China too. When I ask my friends from China if they are upset about the news being filtered and censored. They often say it's good because it helps protect them. They don't want 1 and half billion people rebelling.
I suppose those in power feel they have to control the people somehow - either by direct control, suppression, and censorship, or by using the American method of giving the illusion of freedom.
Very good article here on thought control in democratic societies for anyone interested:
"Violence is to a dictatorship what propaganda is to a democracy"
http://infowar.tribe.net/thread/4fad2ba ... e4730463e3
Why?
Is it only because of "people are friendly"? Seriously, what are the benefits to living in China v. USA?
I speak for myself here: I'm interested in the history of the place. There's also lot's of variety here, from jungles, to deserts, to mountains e.t.c. I enjoy a better standard of living here than I've done anywhere else - including England. (Especially England) And as I said above, it's a safe place to live; I can walk anywhere at any time and feel no fear of being mugged e.t.c. Those are just the first things to spring to mind
Edit: the only thing I couldn't access on the internet was Youtube, but I've just found a way around that. And I do miss the food in England. The food here isn't all that. And I miss watching Premiership football games, but that's just because I live in a fairly small city. And I can always buy a satellite dish.
He already said some of it.
Low crime
great history
great culture
great food
VERY low crime
and hot chicks!
I forgot to mention the hot chicks. Yeah, I love Asian girls.
And you can get some really nice food here, but I still miss an English breakfast and Sunday roast dinner.
I miss cheese.....and Mexican food. When I get Nachos at a bar it is always disappointing when they are made with doritos.
Yeah, I saw what he wrote, I figured there was more.
I'll just say this, there are plenty of nice, friendly places with low crime in the US as well. Some great food and certainly hot chicks (of all ethnicities
I've nto been to China, my wife has for a shorter trip. Though, I don't have a whole lot of interest in going either. I guess what I mean to say, is it's low on my list and my list is long, I would love to see everywhere and everything, but that ain't going to happen.
Yeah, Mexican food is my favourite food.
The best Chinese food is in the south. Where I am - Taizhou, Zhejiang (the place mentioned in the Guardian article Jlew posted) the food is mostly seafood, which I'm not a big fan of.
Don't get me wrong, I love America too. I've been all across the U.S and will travel across it again one day.
The thing that excites me about being here now though is that I can get to see so many interesting places. I have a big hard on for traveling right now...and taking photo's of these places.
Next month I'm going to the West lake in Hangzhou to witness a total solar eclipse. The following weekend I'm off to Xi'an to see the Terracotta army. Then In October I may go up to Beijing or to Yunnan province in the south. I also plan to take a boat down the Yangtze river next year, e.t.c, e.t.c.
I LIKE it when people post articles/vids here, and it annoys me when people criticize it...what can a little extra info hurt? :roll:
you mean it's possible for people to just plain think differently than us? They must be fucked up!
k, timeout for me.....topical comments:
Watching this unfold on tv was an eye opener for me...old enough to remember vividly, but young and naive enough to be completely shocked by it...news coverage was a bit different back then. I don't recall the last time I've seen a head being crushed by a tank on prime-time...in a sickly realistic way, I think it would be beneficial if we still did...of course I don't remember the exact news commentary of the day, more just the images, but I'm sure it was something along the lines of 'what a fucked up place china is - lets watch them kill these students'...that mentality never seems to change.
while I'm sure many were innocent victims, some of those students were the ultimate dissidents.... not to sound too cheesy-american or anything (
I remember going to a Fields of The Nephilim concert about two days after the Tienanmen Square massacre. The feeling of what had just happened was still very much in the air/the atmosphere of the gig. It was the best concert I've ever been to.
Only bad part is no Mexican food and no Pearl Jam. :(
You can't get Mexican food in HK?
Pearl Jam should definitely play Hong Kong. That would be fucking great.
I think I can relate, to some degree...I saw PJ four times while Katrina was happening... it was a really helpless feeling to sit and watch that for hours on end....at the shows, there was some uneasiness to the vibe, imo -.....but to be able to both reflect AND forget, and get away from the fucking tv, was a beautiful thing..... the perfect ending to my mini-tour in Saskatoon, row 2, filming for the Katrina benefit....very cathartic.
I guess I didn't choose my words that well - I don't remember THAT vividly, but seeing the image in the OP gives me a feeling similar to what I feel when I see 9/11 footage...just such a sad mix of emotion :(