RVCJJ3J wrote:If it weren't for unions we'd all be making less than minimum wage. Right to Work laws have historically been a way to undermine union membership and lower prevailing wages for the particular state that they are passed in. When unions are weakened, every worker union or not loses. Lower wages and a disregard for a safe work place are only a couple of things that right-to-work-for-less take away.
Cosmo wrote:I think there are good and bad that co-exist in everything. For the Unions, it is hard to deny that their idea of strength in numbers have lead to things such as safe work environments and fair wages. But, there are also those bad things, such as job retention due to seniority, rather than work performance and having to get an Act of Congress to fire someone.
As for the 'Right to Work' laws... I think they are a good thing... as long as the person who is not in the Union, does not get any of the benefits of being in the Union, such as Union negotiated holidays, wage increases and overtime pay rates. It lets the employee make the decision... not the Union or the Employer.
cincybearcat wrote:The reality is all employees are covered by the same contract. The only difference is if the company moves to discipline or even fire an employee that is not a due paying member, they will not receive any support.
It's funny, most of the time its tough to tell who is a due paying member and who isn't (other than the ones that wear the shirts all the time). But, when someone violates a safety policy, it becomes very easy. If it's a due paying member, the union comes to fight their cause and blame the company for everything. If it's not a due paying member, the union stewards are the first in the Safety Manager and HR managers offices trying to get that employee in as much trouble as possible. Petty really.
youngster wrote:I am a member of a labor union in Boston. I don't understand why the majority of this country is so anti-union. I make a good wage, pay taxes, and work hard for my pay. No one put a gun to my head and forced me to join the union. If I get laid off, when I do get back to work I don't have to take a pay cut. I don't have to go back to school and pay more money to learn a new skill. I don't have to type resumes and go to job interviews to get hired. There is a lot to back me up as a worker. If I am not perfroming up to the standards of the union and the company I work for, I will be laid off. Believe me, word gets around fast who does shitty work and doesn't show up on time etc. It is hard to stay working if you have a bad name in the union. Yes, I pay dues to my local union, but it's like buying an insurance policy. No one boss is going to cut my pay because the company is in the red for the year, or gotta cut back on your days cause there isn't enough work.
There is still a need for unions in this country. Fire Depts, police, athletes, actors, writers, mostly all of them belong to a union. It's not really a bad thing. People get all hung up on paying union dues. If you saw what I made per week after my dues were taken out, you'd be surprised. The dues are almost inconsequential.
youngster wrote:I am a member of a labor union in Boston. I don't understand why the majority of this country is so anti-union. I make a good wage, pay taxes, and work hard for my pay. No one put a gun to my head and forced me to join the union. If I get laid off, when I do get back to work I don't have to take a pay cut. I don't have to go back to school and pay more money to learn a new skill. I don't have to type resumes and go to job interviews to get hired. There is a lot to back me up as a worker. If I am not perfroming up to the standards of the union and the company I work for, I will be laid off. Believe me, word gets around fast who does shitty work and doesn't show up on time etc. It is hard to stay working if you have a bad name in the union. Yes, I pay dues to my local union, but it's like buying an insurance policy. No one boss is going to cut my pay because the company is in the red for the year, or gotta cut back on your days cause there isn't enough work.
There is still a need for unions in this country. Fire Depts, police, athletes, actors, writers, mostly all of them belong to a union. It's not really a bad thing. People get all hung up on paying union dues. If you saw what I made per week after my dues were taken out, you'd be surprised. The dues are almost inconsequential.
Cosmo wrote:I think there are good and bad that co-exist in everything. For the Unions, it is hard to deny that their idea of strength in numbers have lead to things such as safe work environments and fair wages. But, there are also those bad things, such as job retention due to seniority, rather than work performance and having to get an Act of Congress to fire someone.
As for the 'Right to Work' laws... I think they are a good thing... as long as the person who is not in the Union, does not get any of the benefits of being in the Union, such as Union negotiated holidays, wage increases and overtime pay rates. It lets the employee make the decision... not the Union or the Employer.
fear4freedom wrote:youngster wrote:I am a member of a labor union in Boston. I don't understand why the majority of this country is so anti-union. I make a good wage, pay taxes, and work hard for my pay. No one put a gun to my head and forced me to join the union. If I get laid off, when I do get back to work I don't have to take a pay cut. I don't have to go back to school and pay more money to learn a new skill. I don't have to type resumes and go to job interviews to get hired. There is a lot to back me up as a worker. If I am not perfroming up to the standards of the union and the company I work for, I will be laid off. Believe me, word gets around fast who does shitty work and doesn't show up on time etc. It is hard to stay working if you have a bad name in the union. Yes, I pay dues to my local union, but it's like buying an insurance policy. No one boss is going to cut my pay because the company is in the red for the year, or gotta cut back on your days cause there isn't enough work.
There is still a need for unions in this country. Fire Depts, police, athletes, actors, writers, mostly all of them belong to a union. It's not really a bad thing. People get all hung up on paying union dues. If you saw what I made per week after my dues were taken out, you'd be surprised. The dues are almost inconsequential.
Its not just about the dues, its about the unions using their money and power to back politicians and political agendas on the left! Its a gigantic lobbying force that is "in the tank" for Obama and the social values of the left. Another main problem.....they use the money their workers give them for politics! Its ugly if you knew the inner workings!
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