The Tea Party's Libertarian Paradise!!

Prince Of Dorkness · June 2011

Jason P wrote:

I don't believe that Somalia follows these three core mantras of the Tea Party:

Fiscal Responsibility
Constitutionally Limited Government
Free Markets

I know those are some pretty far-right extremist ideas, but take them for what you will.

Ok but even the tea party doesn't really want that.

Fiscal responsibility? Since when? They support tax breaks for billionaires, wars we can't afford...

Limited government? Hardly. forcing rape victims to look at ultra sounds of their fetuses, forcing gay couples into a second class citizen status, trying to mandate schools teach bible fairy tales...

Free markets? Few even know what that means. "free" sounds like such a great word. But what it's going to mean isn't what they think they'll get.

Jeanwah · June 2011

Parachute wrote:

You are a funny dude.

But not much of an intellectual.

Leave my hard earned money alone.

http://gawker.com/5812604/educated-snob ... ood-reason

Sorry, but this is what comes to mind when one speaks about 'being an intellectual', taken from another thread.

Prince Of Dorkness · June 2011

Electric_Delta wrote:

Your generalizations are ignorant and you have proven your intolerance.

You're very right.

I find it very hard to tolerate people in the tea party with their over-simplified, unworkable solutions to complex problems they don't understand.

gimmesometruth27 · June 2011

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I don't believe that Somalia follows these three core mantras of the Tea Party:

Fiscal Responsibility
Constitutionally Limited Government
Free Markets

I know those are some pretty far-right extremist ideas, but take them for what you will.

Ok but even the tea party doesn't really want that.

Fiscal responsibility? Since when? They support tax breaks for billionaires, wars we can't afford...

Limited government? Hardly. forcing rape victims to look at ultra sounds of their fetuses, forcing gay couples into a second class citizen status, trying to mandate schools teach bible fairy tales...

Free markets? Few even know what that means. "free" sounds like such a great word. But what it's going to mean isn't what they think they'll get.

in a way i hope the tea party gets what it wants....then they might think for a second "oh my god, what have we done??"

Electric_Delta · June 2011

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Electric_Delta wrote:

Your generalizations are ignorant and you have proven your intolerance.

You're very right.

I find it very hard to tolerate people in the tea party with their over-simplified, unworkable solutions to complex problems they don't understand.

You just did it again. You seem to take on this elitist attitude...everyone in the Tea-Party is a gun-toting, backey-spittin' redneck.

Are you suggesting those with conservative values are immediately stupid? In this country, at this moment in history, I would say our problems affect those with leftist and conservative ideals equally. Instead of making these incredibly angry and bigoted generalizations, why not bring something useful to the table?

Prince Of Dorkness · June 2011

Electric_Delta wrote:

You just did it again. You seem to take on this elitist attitude...everyone in the Tea-Party is a gun-toting, backey-spittin' redneck.

I didn't mention guns or tobacco. But nice imagery.

Are you suggesting those with conservative values are immediately stupid?

No, but not everyone with conservative values is a tea bagger, either.

Instead of making these incredibly angry and bigoted generalizations,

Wait.... bigoted? Tea Party is a race?

Are people at the Bagger rallies now going to burst into choruses of "Born This Way?"

Prince Of Dorkness · June 2011

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

in a way i hope the tea party gets what it wants....then they might think for a second "oh my god, what have we done??"

It's happening in Wisconsin and Florida, really.

In Wisconsin, tens of thousands of people are having their health care taken away because of the clumsy attempt to stop abortions... instead, they closed down a lot of smaller Planned Parenthood clinics where they don't perform abortions and they accidentally made cancer screening illegal.

And in Florida, their governor refused a huge high-speed rail system that would have created thousands of jobs, brought billions into the state and boosted tourism in a state that depends on tourist dollars to survive.

Jason P · June 2011

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I don't believe that Somalia follows these three core mantras of the Tea Party:

Fiscal Responsibility
Constitutionally Limited Government
Free Markets

I know those are some pretty far-right extremist ideas, but take them for what you will.

Ok but even the tea party doesn't really want that.

Fiscal responsibility? Since when? They support tax breaks for billionaires, wars we can't afford...

Limited government? Hardly. forcing rape victims to look at ultra sounds of their fetuses, forcing gay couples into a second class citizen status, trying to mandate schools teach bible fairy tales...

Free markets? Few even know what that means. "free" sounds like such a great word. But what it's going to mean isn't what they think they'll get.

That's the far-left depiction of the Tea Party's goals.

That is the biggest challenge that Democrats face in taking down the Tea Party ... there is no official leadership, just three core ideas. There are politicians who have tried to herd demographics of the tea party for their political advantage, but they are not figureheads. It drives liberal leadership nuts that the Tea Party is truly a large grass roots organization so their strategy is to label everyone as a white, dumb, and racist. Perhaps a better goal would have been to reach out and try to appeal to the group in the early stages. Too late now.

In regards to fiscal responsibility, that to do with more responsible spending and budgeting (versus generating more money via the common citizen to cover irresponsible spending and budgeting). The Tea Party does support giving billionaires tax breaks. It also supports giving the middle class and poor tax breaks as well.

Also, abortion, gay rights, and other social issues are not on the true Tea Party agenda.

mikepegg44 · June 2011

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

gimmesometruth27 wrote:

in a way i hope the tea party gets what it wants....then they might think for a second "oh my god, what have we done??"

It's happening in Wisconsin and Florida, really.

In Wisconsin, tens of thousands of people are having their health care taken away because of the clumsy attempt to stop abortions... instead, they closed down a lot of smaller Planned Parenthood clinics where they don't perform abortions and they accidentally made cancer screening illegal.

And in Florida, their governor refused a huge high-speed rail system that would have created thousands of jobs, brought billions into the state and boosted tourism in a state that depends on tourist dollars to survive.

link to the wisconsin story? I would be interested to read that

Prince Of Dorkness · June 2011

Jason P wrote:

That's the far-left depiction of the Tea Party's goals.

Well no... that's just what has become clearly obvious from watching them.

That is the biggest challenge that Democrats face in taking down the Tea Party ...

Ok, but I don't want to "take down" anyone. That's more of a conservative idea... the "we win/you lose" scenario. Liberals are more a "let's find a solution that works for everyone" slant.

It drives liberal leadership nuts that the Tea Party is truly a large grass roots organization so their strategy is to label everyone as a white, dumb, and racist.

Grass Roots? Please. they're mostly just sheep being lead by phony dummy groups created by corporations and billionaires. That's the real problem. People think this is "moms and dads and concerned citizens" but all those mega rallies in the center of DC... who do you think foots the bill for that?

The Tea Party does support giving billionaires tax breaks. It also supports giving the middle class and poor tax breaks as well.

I have seen little evidence of that.

Also, abortion, gay rights, and other social issues are not on the true Tea Party agenda.

Really? So how come all those Tea Party-supported candidates didn't really do much about cutting spending but instead went right for Planned Parenthood, made it illegal to say "gay" in schools and fought anti-bullying programs as a top priority?

Prince Of Dorkness · June 2011

mikepegg44 wrote:

link to the wisconsin story? I would be interested to read that

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/2 ... 81504.html

mikepegg44 · June 2011

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

mikepegg44 wrote:

link to the wisconsin story? I would be interested to read that

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/2 ... 81504.html

thanks

but, as I suspected, saying that thousands are going to lose their healthcare as a certainty isn't true...some "fear" that...same thing was said when GAMC ended in minnesota in its current form and things have worked out ok. If you have ever sat in on any government policy meetings you will know that people have a fear of the worst in no matter what the topic...
A few years ago, the Red Door Clinic in minneapolis was forced to move to a new location....you would have thought the entire world was ending by the way people reacted. The new space, a brand new clinic built specifically to expand their services, is utilized to the fullest and has worked out great...I can tell you that most people don't even remember how difficult they were before the move. A simple anecdote of my personal experience isn't enough to convince you that things probably won't get that bad, but the huffington post makes it sound like 57,000 people will simply lose their health care...that isn't the case...and they didn't make cancer screening illegal...again an overstatement to make things sound worse than they are.
I think we can all agree that healthcare is fucked up in this country, what we don't agree on is the solution...Personally I think the only way to change it is to get rid of health insurance in general and go with a single payor system, but you cannot get there without eliminating a HUGE portion of the economy, so quick steps probably shouldn't be taken...in the mean time unfortunately we have people who need help caught in the middle of a partisan argument.

Jason P · June 2011

Well, to P.O.D., you seem very set in your preconceived notions and depictions of certain groups and demographics so I guess it doesn't make sense to debate any further. My advice is to be more open-minded in the future.

Prince Of Dorkness · June 2011

mikepegg44 wrote:

Personally I think the only way to change it is to get rid of health insurance in general and go with a single payor system, but you cannot get there without eliminating a HUGE portion of the economy, so quick steps probably shouldn't be taken...in the mean time unfortunately we have people who need help caught in the middle of a partisan argument.

OK I agree with that.

But I can assure you that targeting women's health, closing Planned Parenthood and -probably- ending cancer screenings for a lot of people isn't the first step on the way to Wisconsin going with a single-payer health care system.

Parachute · June 2011

Jason P wrote:

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

Jason P wrote:

I don't believe that Somalia follows these three core mantras of the Tea Party:

Fiscal Responsibility
Constitutionally Limited Government
Free Markets

I know those are some pretty far-right extremist ideas, but take them for what you will.

Ok but even the tea party doesn't really want that.

Fiscal responsibility? Since when? They support tax breaks for billionaires, wars we can't afford...

Limited government? Hardly. forcing rape victims to look at ultra sounds of their fetuses, forcing gay couples into a second class citizen status, trying to mandate schools teach bible fairy tales...

Free markets? Few even know what that means. "free" sounds like such a great word. But what it's going to mean isn't what they think they'll get.

That's the far-left depiction of the Tea Party's goals.

That is the biggest challenge that Democrats face in taking down the Tea Party ... there is no official leadership, just three core ideas. There are politicians who have tried to herd demographics of the tea party for their political advantage, but they are not figureheads. It drives liberal leadership nuts that the Tea Party is truly a large grass roots organization so their strategy is to label everyone as a white, dumb, and racist. Perhaps a better goal would have been to reach out and try to appeal to the group in the early stages. Too late now.

In regards to fiscal responsibility, that to do with more responsible spending and budgeting (versus generating more money via the common citizen to cover irresponsible spending and budgeting). The Tea Party does support giving billionaires tax breaks. It also supports giving the middle class and poor tax breaks as well.

Also, abortion, gay rights, and other social issues are not on the true Tea Party agenda.

THIS.

Prince Of Dorkness · June 2011

Parachute wrote:

THIS.

that.. viewtopic.php?f=13&t=161390&start=30#p3732527

Sludge Factory · June 2011

Go Beavers wrote:

If any leader of the tea party has outlined where they'd like to cut the budget (which programs and how much would be saved), where they'd cut taxes, and how that would affect revenue I'd like to see it. Is there a link?

As requested. Though I don't believe this touches on tax cuts.

campaignforliberty.com/materials/RandBudget.pdf

LikeAnOcean · June 2011

Prince Of Dorkness wrote:

If they don't personally gain from it, they're going to stop it at any costs... take gay marriage just as an example... it helps people other than them... has zero impact on them personally.. but most are donating money to stop it. .

I thought libertarians are socially liberal?

Prince Of Dorkness · June 2011

Gob wrote:

I thought libertarians are socially liberal?

Doesn't everyone say they are?

I mean, I hear Republicans saying their core values are "equality for all" and even the most conservative people will say things like "I'm very live and let live."

The Tea Party's Libertarian Paradise!!

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