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Who decided to change the Speed of Sound ???

cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,640
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I want to speak to him or her.  :lol:
Man, make a Cd version of Backspacer and replace the album version with the demo and it transforms the identity of the album.  Becomes a foundation of three or four great arena tunes and three great Eddie ballads.  Still my favorite 21st century PJ album but what a missed opportunity. 

The demo is so powerful.  

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    2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,143
    Bob
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    cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,640
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    Bob
    That was my initial suspect too  
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Same story with Gone...
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    lastexitlondonlastexitlondon Posts: 11,962
    I dislike b.o.b, ruins shit
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,018
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    Bob
    Is that confirmed?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    Dr.Teeth and the Electric MayhDr.Teeth and the Electric Mayh Posts: 1,177
    Yeah for the span from binaural to avocado, I always wished Brendan would come back. Now it seems he's hell bent on making grammy albums that have a lot of variety. I like the variety aspect, but it has to come naturally from the band. For the life of me, I can't see any of the band members transforming that demo to what it became. Shame (bell ringing). 
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    cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,640
    The lyrics are more powerful on the demo and that ebow or delay effect is killer. 

    Oh man those bells on the studio version. Cringe
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,018
    When I heard the drums kicking in on Backspacer, after hearing the demo version


    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,143
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    2-feign-reluctance said:
    Bob
    Is that confirmed?
    Just what I remember reading about back in 2010.
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    stuckinlinestuckinline Posts: 3,359
    The Backspacer version sounds over produced.
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    2-feign-reluctance2-feign-reluctance TigerTown, USA Posts: 23,143
    stuckinline said:
    The Backspacer version sounds over produced.
    The demo though is very.....demo-like. Haha! I put both recordings on opposite ends of the spectrum. Where's that happy middle spot?
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    cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,640
    edited January 2018
    Yeah man a studio version of the demo is what we all need
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    The solo demo of Gone is better than the full band album version on Avocado... but to be fair, I think it comes down to not having too many EV solo songs on an album, so they make them full band songs... Backspacer is only 30 minutes long and already has EV solo classics with Just Breathe & The End... I agree SOS demo version is better, but I see the issue they faced
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,018
    my2hands said:
    The solo demo of Gone is better than the full band album version on Avocado... but to be fair, I think it comes down to not having too many EV solo songs on an album, so they make them full band songs... Backspacer is only 30 minutes long and already has EV solo classics with Just Breathe & The End... I agree SOS demo version is better, but I see the issue they faced
    Then replace The End with it, and throw in a studio version of Falling Down. PROBLEM SOLVED.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    SaravaSarava Naperville, IL Posts: 1,998
    If you're going to dump any songs from Backspacer, it should be The Fixer IMO.
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,018
    Sarava said:
    If you're going to dump any songs from Backspacer, it should be The Fixer IMO.
    Cameron Crowes The Fixer music video or David Finchers Freeom'90 music video. Which one is the most iconic?
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    cp3iversoncp3iverson Posts: 8,640
    How you feel about the Fixer probably defines how you feel about Backspacer as a whole :lol:
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    AndySlashAndySlash Posts: 3,205
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    Sarava said:
    If you're going to dump any songs from Backspacer, it should be The Fixer IMO.
    Cameron Crowes The Fixer music video or David Finchers Freeom'90 music video. Which one is the most iconic?
    Yes.
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    my2hands said:
    The solo demo of Gone is better than the full band album version on Avocado... but to be fair, I think it comes down to not having too many EV solo songs on an album, so they make them full band songs... Backspacer is only 30 minutes long and already has EV solo classics with Just Breathe & The End... I agree SOS demo version is better, but I see the issue they faced
    Then replace The End with it, and throw in a studio version of Falling Down. PROBLEM SOLVED.
    The End is the best PJ album closer since 1993 my friend... no way that should be chopped for anything 
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    drummerboy_73drummerboy_73 Las Vegas, NV Posts: 2,011
    edited January 2018
    Not sure if non-musicians will quite understand this, but when I first heard the demo of Speed of Sound, I felt that the time signature was 6/4, which would give it a waltzy/swingy kind of feel, and I always used to feel that groove when I listened to it. Later, when I heard the Backspacer version, and the drums kick in on a standard 4/4 pattern, it completely ruined the feel of the song for me. One of these days, I want to record some drums and bass over the original demo, and when I do, will share and hopefully illustrate what I mean...
    Post edited by drummerboy_73 on
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    HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,418
    I like both versions of SOS, but there definitely is a raw eeriness about the demo that could've transcended Backspacer to new heights.
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    HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,418
    my2hands said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    my2hands said:
    The solo demo of Gone is better than the full band album version on Avocado... but to be fair, I think it comes down to not having too many EV solo songs on an album, so they make them full band songs... Backspacer is only 30 minutes long and already has EV solo classics with Just Breathe & The End... I agree SOS demo version is better, but I see the issue they faced
    Then replace The End with it, and throw in a studio version of Falling Down. PROBLEM SOLVED.
    The End is the best PJ album closer since 1993 my friend... no way that should be chopped for anything 
    Idk, I'm with Chaos on this one.  The End is one of two PJ originals I don't like.
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,018
    drummerboy_73 said:
    Not sure if non-musicians will quite understand this, but when I first heard the demo of Gone, I felt that the time signature was 6/4, which would give it a waltzy/swingy kind of feel, and I always used to feel that groove when I listened to it. Later, when I heard the Backspacer version, and the drums kick in on a standard 4/4 pattern, it completely ruined the feel of the song for me. One of these days, I want to record some drums and bass over the original demo, and when I do, will share and hopefully illustrate what I mean...
    DO IT NOW!
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,018

    my2hands said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    my2hands said:
    The solo demo of Gone is better than the full band album version on Avocado... but to be fair, I think it comes down to not having too many EV solo songs on an album, so they make them full band songs... Backspacer is only 30 minutes long and already has EV solo classics with Just Breathe & The End... I agree SOS demo version is better, but I see the issue they faced
    Then replace The End with it, and throw in a studio version of Falling Down. PROBLEM SOLVED.
    The End is the best PJ album closer since 1993 my friend... no way that should be chopped for anything 

    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 35,833
    drummerboy_73 said:
    Not sure if non-musicians will quite understand this, but when I first heard the demo of Gone, I felt that the time signature was 6/4, which would give it a waltzy/swingy kind of feel, and I always used to feel that groove when I listened to it. Later, when I heard the Backspacer version, and the drums kick in on a standard 4/4 pattern, it completely ruined the feel of the song for me. One of these days, I want to record some drums and bass over the original demo, and when I do, will share and hopefully illustrate what I mean...
    backspacer version of Gone? I'm not following......
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,018
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    drummerboy_73 said:
    Not sure if non-musicians will quite understand this, but when I first heard the demo of Gone, I felt that the time signature was 6/4, which would give it a waltzy/swingy kind of feel, and I always used to feel that groove when I listened to it. Later, when I heard the Backspacer version, and the drums kick in on a standard 4/4 pattern, it completely ruined the feel of the song for me. One of these days, I want to record some drums and bass over the original demo, and when I do, will share and hopefully illustrate what I mean...
    backspacer version of Gone? I'm not following......
    Japanese tour edition.
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
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    my2handsmy2hands Posts: 17,117
    HesCalledDyer said:
    my2hands said:
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    my2hands said:
    The solo demo of Gone is better than the full band album version on Avocado... but to be fair, I think it comes down to not having too many EV solo songs on an album, so they make them full band songs... Backspacer is only 30 minutes long and already has EV solo classics with Just Breathe & The End... I agree SOS demo version is better, but I see the issue they faced
    Then replace The End with it, and throw in a studio version of Falling Down. PROBLEM SOLVED.
    The End is the best PJ album closer since 1993 my friend... no way that should be chopped for anything 
    Idk, I'm with Chaos on this one.  The End is one of two PJ originals I don't like.
    You guys need to clean your ears :)
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    drummerboy_73drummerboy_73 Las Vegas, NV Posts: 2,011
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    drummerboy_73 said:
    Not sure if non-musicians will quite understand this, but when I first heard the demo of Gone, I felt that the time signature was 6/4, which would give it a waltzy/swingy kind of feel, and I always used to feel that groove when I listened to it. Later, when I heard the Backspacer version, and the drums kick in on a standard 4/4 pattern, it completely ruined the feel of the song for me. One of these days, I want to record some drums and bass over the original demo, and when I do, will share and hopefully illustrate what I mean...
    backspacer version of Gone? I'm not following......
    Oops! Meant 'Speed of Sound'...got sidetracked reading another post! :)
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