Not a fan of crowdfunding at all obviously, nor of this particular effort because of the venue and the unusual PR campaign that is rubbing a lot of people the wrong way, but I think fears that theft of the funds might occur are unfounded.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
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1998: Cleveland
2000: Cincinnati, Columbus
2003: Cleveland, Columbus
2004: Toledo
2006: Cleveland, Cincinnati, Gorge Night 1
2008: Washington D.C.
2009: Chicago Night 1, Seattle Night 1, Philadelphia Night 3, Philadelphia Night 4
2010: Columbus, Indianapolis, Cleveland
2011: Detroit EV, Chicago 1 EV
2012: Atlanta
2013: Chicago, Pittsburgh
2014: Cincinnati
I don't know if it is not right. It is an interesting idea with the potential to produce a very cool event. The problem is that this campaign was begun dishonestly. Hard to put your faith in someone who knowingly and willingly misrepresented who they were in an attempt to solicit funds.
If there ever was any potential for a crowdsourced show (and I'm not convinced there was, but if) and the missteps from this campaign serve only to prevent that from happening someday, it will be a shame.
I know Dan has apologized for the way this was launched and I do believe he has the best of intentions. I just don't think the early damage is repairable at this point.
1998: Cleveland
2000: Cincinnati, Columbus
2003: Cleveland, Columbus
2004: Toledo
2006: Cleveland, Cincinnati, Gorge Night 1
2008: Washington D.C.
2009: Chicago Night 1, Seattle Night 1, Philadelphia Night 3, Philadelphia Night 4
2010: Columbus, Indianapolis, Cleveland
2011: Detroit EV, Chicago 1 EV
2012: Atlanta
2013: Chicago, Pittsburgh
2014: Cincinnati
I don't know if it is not right. It is an interesting idea with the potential to produce a very cool event. The problem is that this campaign was begun dishonestly. Hard to put your faith in someone who knowingly and willingly misrepresented who they were in an attempt to solicit funds.
If there ever was any potential for a crowdsourced show (and I'm not convinced there was, but if) and the missteps from this campaign serve only to prevent that from happening someday, it will be a shame.
I know Dan has apologized for the way this was launched and I do believe he has the best of intentions. I just don't think the early damage is repairable at this point.
I don't know if it is not right. It is an interesting idea with the potential to produce a very cool event. The problem is that this campaign was begun dishonestly. Hard to put your faith in someone who knowingly and willingly misrepresented who they were in an attempt to solicit funds.
If there ever was any potential for a crowdsourced show (and I'm not convinced there was, but if) and the missteps from this campaign serve only to prevent that from happening someday, it will be a shame.
I know Dan has apologized for the way this was launched and I do believe he has the best of intentions. I just don't think the early damage is repairable at this point.
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Thanks.....we are trying our best here, we are not perfect and 100000% doing this for the fans. I'm sorry we haven't run the campaign to some's liking or they haven't gotten what we are doing. Band has the final say. We feed off our critics. We'll just keep working harder, very easy to put in negative 2 cents.
" In New York as they say how the f*** ya doin'?" -Ed MSG 1 03
haha! DERAIL: transitive verb 1: to cause to run off the rails 2 a : to obstruct the progress of : frustrate b : to upset the stability or composure of intransitive verb : to leave the rails
Thanks.....we are trying our best here, we are not perfect and 100000% doing this for the fans. I'm sorry we haven't run the campaign to some's liking or they haven't gotten what we are doing. Band has the final say. We feed off our critics. We'll just keep working harder, very easy to put in negative 2 cents.
So if I give you my credit card number what precautions are you using to make sure my numbers are safe? And how is seating determined? Is it all ga?
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Thanks.....we are trying our best here, we are not perfect and 100000% doing this for the fans. I'm sorry we haven't run the campaign to some's liking or they haven't gotten what we are doing. Band has the final say. We feed off our critics. We'll just keep working harder, very easy to put in negative 2 cents.
So if I give you my credit card number what precautions are you using to make sure my numbers are safe? And how is seating determined? Is it all ga?
Hopefully there will be some GA. Seating will be together, however no senority or rules like that. If Pearl Jam wants another system we will be happy to do it their way, we want to make this as fair for everyone.
" In New York as they say how the f*** ya doin'?" -Ed MSG 1 03
haha! DERAIL: transitive verb 1: to cause to run off the rails 2 a : to obstruct the progress of : frustrate b : to upset the stability or composure of intransitive verb : to leave the rails
Thanks.....we are trying our best here, we are not perfect and 100000% doing this for the fans. I'm sorry we haven't run the campaign to some's liking or they haven't gotten what we are doing. Band has the final say. We feed off our critics. We'll just keep working harder, very easy to put in negative 2 cents.
10000% for the fans, but yet the show is in your town at a venue no one outside of your town has probably heard of. I don't care about this anymore but that for the fans comment was funny.
haha! DERAIL: transitive verb 1: to cause to run off the rails 2 a : to obstruct the progress of : frustrate b : to upset the stability or composure of intransitive verb : to leave the rails
Thanks.....we are trying our best here, we are not perfect and 100000% doing this for the fans. I'm sorry we haven't run the campaign to some's liking or they haven't gotten what we are doing. Band has the final say. We feed off our critics. We'll just keep working harder, very easy to put in negative 2 cents.
10000% for the fans, but yet the show is in your town at a venue no one outside of your town has probably heard of. I don't care about this anymore but that for the fans comment was funny.
I don't live in Forest Hills, We could have picked any venue, can't make everyone happy. I've traveled all over to see Pearl Jam, no complaints, not sure why we are complaining now huh?
" In New York as they say how the f*** ya doin'?" -Ed MSG 1 03
haha! DERAIL: transitive verb 1: to cause to run off the rails 2 a : to obstruct the progress of : frustrate b : to upset the stability or composure of intransitive verb : to leave the rails
Thanks.....we are trying our best here, we are not perfect and 100000% doing this for the fans. I'm sorry we haven't run the campaign to some's liking or they haven't gotten what we are doing. Band has the final say. We feed off our critics. We'll just keep working harder, very easy to put in negative 2 cents.
As some have said in a "non negative" way, how this was initially presented - not to mention your reactions to questions posed - left a bad taste in the mouths of many. To say so isn't being negative or a hater (such a silly term in this situation, no?).
Speaking of negativity, instead of feeding off your critics, how about not dismissing what has been mostly constructive input and show a bit of grace?
haha! DERAIL: transitive verb 1: to cause to run off the rails 2 a : to obstruct the progress of : frustrate b : to upset the stability or composure of intransitive verb : to leave the rails
Thanks.....we are trying our best here, we are not perfect and 100000% doing this for the fans. I'm sorry we haven't run the campaign to some's liking or they haven't gotten what we are doing. Band has the final say. We feed off our critics. We'll just keep working harder, very easy to put in negative 2 cents.
As some have said in a "non negative" way, how this was initially presented - not to mention your reactions to questions posed - left a bad taste in the mouths of many. To say so isn't being negative or a hater (such a silly term in this situation, no?).
Speaking of negativity, instead of feeding off your critics, how about not dismissing what has been mostly constructive input and show a bit of grace?
We most certainly will. A lot of criticism has not been genuine but similar to "trolling". We'll take help from anyone.
" In New York as they say how the f*** ya doin'?" -Ed MSG 1 03
This thread needs locked already and people need to move on.
1998: Cleveland
2000: Cincinnati, Columbus
2003: Cleveland, Columbus
2004: Toledo
2006: Cleveland, Cincinnati, Gorge Night 1
2008: Washington D.C.
2009: Chicago Night 1, Seattle Night 1, Philadelphia Night 3, Philadelphia Night 4
2010: Columbus, Indianapolis, Cleveland
2011: Detroit EV, Chicago 1 EV
2012: Atlanta
2013: Chicago, Pittsburgh
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Thanks.....we are trying our best here, we are not perfect and 100000% doing this for the fans. I'm sorry we haven't run the campaign to some's liking or they haven't gotten what we are doing. Band has the final say. We feed off our critics. We'll just keep working harder, very easy to put in negative 2 cents.
As some have said in a "non negative" way, how this was initially presented - not to mention your reactions to questions posed - left a bad taste in the mouths of many. To say so isn't being negative or a hater (such a silly term in this situation, no?).
Speaking of negativity, instead of feeding off your critics, how about not dismissing what has been mostly constructive input and show a bit of grace?
We most certainly will. A lot of criticism has not been genuine but similar to "trolling". We'll take help from anyone.
That's nice, but "will" doesn't mean "have been". You could ignore what you perceive as trolling; I mean, c'mon, you posted some pretty rude comments to others as well (and similarly refused an offered donation).
The high road's not THAT high; doesn't hurt to try and take it, even if the footpaths are different.
haha! DERAIL: transitive verb 1: to cause to run off the rails 2 a : to obstruct the progress of : frustrate b : to upset the stability or composure of intransitive verb : to leave the rails
Thanks.....we are trying our best here, we are not perfect and 100000% doing this for the fans. I'm sorry we haven't run the campaign to some's liking or they haven't gotten what we are doing. Band has the final say. We feed off our critics. We'll just keep working harder, very easy to put in negative 2 cents.
As some have said in a "non negative" way, how this was initially presented - not to mention your reactions to questions posed - left a bad taste in the mouths of many. To say so isn't being negative or a hater (such a silly term in this situation, no?).
Speaking of negativity, instead of feeding off your critics, how about not dismissing what has been mostly constructive input and show a bit of grace?
We most certainly will. A lot of criticism has not been genuine but similar to "trolling". We'll take help from anyone.
That's nice, but "will" doesn't mean "have been". You could ignore what you perceive as trolling; I mean, c'mon, you posted some pretty rude comments to others as well (and similarly refused an offered donation).
The high road's not THAT high; doesn't hurt to try and take it, even if the footpaths are different.
Duly noted. We will keep taking rude comments directed at us and not say anything. This board can be very toxic, hard not to get sucked into it. Much more positive on other message boards. We will try to do a better job and being understanding.
" In New York as they say how the f*** ya doin'?" -Ed MSG 1 03
You're obviously going to do what you want (and rightly so).... but if it were me in your position I wouldn't be posting in this thread at all, or any other thread like it in this forum. Doing so seems to be consistently making things worse.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
You're obviously going to do what you want (and rightly so).... but if it were me in your position I wouldn't be posting in this thread at all, or any other thread like it in this forum. Doing so seems to be consistently making things worse.
I agree.....carry on :-)
" In New York as they say how the f*** ya doin'?" -Ed MSG 1 03
Hmmm....seems that another board member who was doing some crowdfunding for their new album offered to donate some of their funds to your project...but you told them you didn't want their money. Quite rudely as well I might add.
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2000: Cincinnati, Columbus
2003: Cleveland, Columbus
2004: Toledo
2006: Cleveland, Cincinnati, Gorge Night 1
2008: Washington D.C.
2009: Chicago Night 1, Seattle Night 1, Philadelphia Night 3, Philadelphia Night 4
2010: Columbus, Indianapolis, Cleveland
2011: Detroit EV, Chicago 1 EV
2012: Atlanta
2013: Chicago, Pittsburgh
2014: Cincinnati
If there ever was any potential for a crowdsourced show (and I'm not convinced there was, but if) and the missteps from this campaign serve only to prevent that from happening someday, it will be a shame.
I know Dan has apologized for the way this was launched and I do believe he has the best of intentions. I just don't think the early damage is repairable at this point.
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
This thread is a broken record. Move on.
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2004: Toledo
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2008: Washington D.C.
2009: Chicago Night 1, Seattle Night 1, Philadelphia Night 3, Philadelphia Night 4
2010: Columbus, Indianapolis, Cleveland
2011: Detroit EV, Chicago 1 EV
2012: Atlanta
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2014: Cincinnati
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Hopefully there will be some GA. Seating will be together, however no senority or rules like that. If Pearl Jam wants another system we will be happy to do it their way, we want to make this as fair for everyone.
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Speaking of negativity, instead of feeding off your critics, how about not dismissing what has been mostly constructive input and show a bit of grace?
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MSG 1 '98 - MSG 1+2 '03 - Reading,PA '04 - Borgata 1 '05 - Continental Arena 1+2 '06 - Lollapalooza Chicago,IL '07-MSG 1+2 08, Mansfield 1 08, Beacon Theatre 08. MSG 1 10,PJ20 Alpine Valley, Atlanta 2012, Brooklyn 1+2 2013, Hartford 2013, Seattle 2013, Memphis 2014
2000: Cincinnati, Columbus
2003: Cleveland, Columbus
2004: Toledo
2006: Cleveland, Cincinnati, Gorge Night 1
2008: Washington D.C.
2009: Chicago Night 1, Seattle Night 1, Philadelphia Night 3, Philadelphia Night 4
2010: Columbus, Indianapolis, Cleveland
2011: Detroit EV, Chicago 1 EV
2012: Atlanta
2013: Chicago, Pittsburgh
2014: Cincinnati
The high road's not THAT high; doesn't hurt to try and take it, even if the footpaths are different.
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MSG 1 '98 - MSG 1+2 '03 - Reading,PA '04 - Borgata 1 '05 - Continental Arena 1+2 '06 - Lollapalooza Chicago,IL '07-MSG 1+2 08, Mansfield 1 08, Beacon Theatre 08. MSG 1 10,PJ20 Alpine Valley, Atlanta 2012, Brooklyn 1+2 2013, Hartford 2013, Seattle 2013, Memphis 2014
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