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vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,426
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I've trying to avoid starting a thread about this guy, but i can't hold back any longer.  this guy really angers me

https://theintercept.com/2017/10/21/it-didnt-just-start-now-john-kelly-has-always-been-a-hard-right-bully/

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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,300
    I feel for his family having paid the ultimate price in the death of his son , but he still can be scrutinized for the job he holds and he should of been accurate on his description of senator Wilsons speech ! 
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    JimmyVJimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 18,921
    josevolution said:
    I feel for his family having paid the ultimate price in the death of his son , but he still can be scrutinized for the job he holds and he should of been accurate on his description of senator Wilsons speech ! 

    Exactly.
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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,426
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    "women are sacred".  Who says that and what was the relevance of that remark? 
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    Who PrincessWho Princess out here in the fields Posts: 7,305
    vaggar99 said:
    "women are sacred".  Who says that and what was the relevance of that remark? 
    Apparently he's not familiar with the concept of irony.
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    LizardLizard So Cal Posts: 12,073
    vaggar99 said:
    I've trying to avoid starting a thread about this guy, but i can't hold back any longer.  this guy really angers me

    https://theintercept.com/2017/10/21/it-didnt-just-start-now-john-kelly-has-always-been-a-hard-right-bully/
    wow.. that is a disturbing article.....
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    tbergstbergs Posts: 9,244
    This probably fits here better than anywhere else. I really can't stand Sarah Huckabee-Sanders. They have a gang mentality at the core. Double down on your mistakes and inaccuracies even in the face of the truth.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/10/22/lets-not-staff-a-white-house-with-generals-ever-again/
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,540
    I will play devil's advocate.   In order for Mattis, Tillerson, Kelly and McMaster to protect us from Trump they have to stay in their posts. To do that, they may have to say some stupid things in order to stay in Trump's (major idiot) good graces.  These people may not be perfect but they are the only thing in between the world and Trump's lunacy. 
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    BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 10,547
    tbergs said:
    This probably fits here better than anywhere else. I really can't stand Sarah Huckabee-Sanders. They have a gang mentality at the core. Double down on your mistakes and inaccuracies even in the face of the truth.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/wp/2017/10/22/lets-not-staff-a-white-house-with-generals-ever-again/
    Just so you know  you are using the wrong terms.
    Rather then using "mistakes and inaccuracies" the current ruling  government much prefers yhat yiu use the terms "fake news" and "alternative facts".
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,300
    bootlegger10 said:
    I will play devil's advocate.   In order for Mattis, Tillerson, Kelly and McMaster to protect us from Trump they have to stay in their posts. To do that, they may have to say some stupid things in order to stay in Trump's (major idiot) good graces.  These people may not be perfect but they are the only thing in between the world and Trump's lunacy. 
    Just the fact that you have to put the words protect us from our president is disturbing, let me ask did you ever feel like you had to be protected from Obama at any time during his two terms ? I can honestly say No never felt like I feel today about the current resident of WH ..
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,540
    josevolution said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    I will play devil's advocate.   In order for Mattis, Tillerson, Kelly and McMaster to protect us from Trump they have to stay in their posts. To do that, they may have to say some stupid things in order to stay in Trump's (major idiot) good graces.  These people may not be perfect but they are the only thing in between the world and Trump's lunacy. 
    Just the fact that you have to put the words protect us from our president is disturbing, let me ask did you ever feel like you had to be protected from Obama at any time during his two terms ? I can honestly say No never felt like I feel today about the current resident of WH ..
    Nope.  I didn't agree with every Obama policy but never thought he was a lunatic like our current president.  I think Mattis, Tillerson, Kelly and McMaster will all deserve medals of honor for letting their reputations and careers get drug down into the mud in order to protect this country. 
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,300
    I agree ^^
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,609
    bootlegger10 said:
    josevolution said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    I will play devil's advocate.   In order for Mattis, Tillerson, Kelly and McMaster to protect us from Trump they have to stay in their posts. To do that, they may have to say some stupid things in order to stay in Trump's (major idiot) good graces.  These people may not be perfect but they are the only thing in between the world and Trump's lunacy. 
    Just the fact that you have to put the words protect us from our president is disturbing, let me ask did you ever feel like you had to be protected from Obama at any time during his two terms ? I can honestly say No never felt like I feel today about the current resident of WH ..
    Nope.  I didn't agree with every Obama policy but never thought he was a lunatic like our current president.  I think Mattis, Tillerson, Kelly and McMaster will all deserve medals of honor for letting their reputations and careers get drug down into the mud in order to protect this country.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,609
    bootlegger10 said:
    josevolution said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    I will play devil's advocate.   In order for Mattis, Tillerson, Kelly and McMaster to protect us from Trump they have to stay in their posts. To do that, they may have to say some stupid things in order to stay in Trump's (major idiot) good graces.  These people may not be perfect but they are the only thing in between the world and Trump's lunacy. 
    Just the fact that you have to put the words protect us from our president is disturbing, let me ask did you ever feel like you had to be protected from Obama at any time during his two terms ? I can honestly say No never felt like I feel today about the current resident of WH ..
    Nope.  I didn't agree with every Obama policy but never thought he was a lunatic like our current president.  I think Mattis, Tillerson, Kelly and McMaster will all deserve medals of honor for letting their reputations and careers get drug down into the mud in order to protect this country. 
    If they had any self respect or a soul, every single last one of them, all of them who serve this piece of shit president, would either resign or just stop taking Trump’s calls or orders until he fired them or went insane. Claiming their saving us from him really means their giving the junky the juice. Let him implode, turn your back on this piece of shit president and have some pride and self worth. You’d better serve the country if you did. And you just might not go to hell.
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,798
         https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2017/10/23/john-kelly-is-not-living-up-to-marine-corps-values/?tid=sm_fb&utm_term=.c4a4deb101b6

    By Colbert I. King October 23 at 5:42 PM Loaded in 1.7 seconds


    It should not have to fall to newspaper editorials, members of Congress or even Rep. Frederica S. Wilson (D-Fla.) to call for an apology from White House Chief of Staff John F. Kelly for his false statements about the congresswoman’s remarks and behavior at the dedication of an FBI building in memory of two FBI agents slain in the line of duty. His name-calling and derisive remarks from the White House briefing room about Wilson last Thursday were also beneath the dignity of a retired four-star Marine Corps general.

    Most disappointing of all is Kelly’s continued failure to acknowledge his misrepresentations and disrespectful conduct toward a member of Congress. In doing so, Kelly is not living up to the Marine Corps values, the first of which is honor.

    It bears repeating: “Honor. This is the bedrock of our character. It is the quality that empowers Marines to exemplify the ultimate in ethical and moral behavior: to never lie, cheat, or steal; to abide by an uncompromising code of integrity; to respect human dignity, and to have respect and concern for each other.”

    There is more at stake than the sensibilities of those offended by Kelly’s behavior. The heart of the Marine Corps’ core values, we are told, is Courage, including “the moral strength to do what is right, adhering to a higher standard of personal conduct.”

    If we ever did, much of the nation no longer expects displays of honor and courage from President Trump.

    More was expected of Gen. John F. Kelly. That, perhaps, is the greatest disappointment of all.


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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,426
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    josevolution said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    I will play devil's advocate.   In order for Mattis, Tillerson, Kelly and McMaster to protect us from Trump they have to stay in their posts. To do that, they may have to say some stupid things in order to stay in Trump's (major idiot) good graces.  These people may not be perfect but they are the only thing in between the world and Trump's lunacy. 
    Just the fact that you have to put the words protect us from our president is disturbing, let me ask did you ever feel like you had to be protected from Obama at any time during his two terms ? I can honestly say No never felt like I feel today about the current resident of WH ..
    Nope.  I didn't agree with every Obama policy but never thought he was a lunatic like our current president.  I think Mattis, Tillerson, Kelly and McMaster will all deserve medals of honor for letting their reputations and careers get drug down into the mud in order to protect this country. 
    If they had any self respect or a soul, every single last one of them, all of them who serve this piece of shit president, would either resign or just stop taking Trump’s calls or orders until he fired them or went insane. Claiming their saving us from him really means their giving the junky the juice. Let him implode, turn your back on this piece of shit president and have some pride and self worth. You’d better serve the country if you did. And you just might not go to hell.
    John Kelly just demonstrated that he has no soul.  He's likely a white supremacist like the rest of them.  He's Colonel Nathan R Jessep.
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    bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 15,540
    Halifax2TheMax said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    josevolution said:
    bootlegger10 said:
    I will play devil's advocate.   In order for Mattis, Tillerson, Kelly and McMaster to protect us from Trump they have to stay in their posts. To do that, they may have to say some stupid things in order to stay in Trump's (major idiot) good graces.  These people may not be perfect but they are the only thing in between the world and Trump's lunacy. 
    Just the fact that you have to put the words protect us from our president is disturbing, let me ask did you ever feel like you had to be protected from Obama at any time during his two terms ? I can honestly say No never felt like I feel today about the current resident of WH ..
    Nope.  I didn't agree with every Obama policy but never thought he was a lunatic like our current president.  I think Mattis, Tillerson, Kelly and McMaster will all deserve medals of honor for letting their reputations and careers get drug down into the mud in order to protect this country. 
    If they had any self respect or a soul, every single last one of them, all of them who serve this piece of shit president, would either resign or just stop taking Trump’s calls or orders until he fired them or went insane. Claiming their saving us from him really means their giving the junky the juice. Let him implode, turn your back on this piece of shit president and have some pride and self worth. You’d better serve the country if you did. And you just might not go to hell.
    What good are they if they aren't still in their positions?  How can they keep Trump from attacking NK or Iran if they aren't in their positions?    Until Congress impeaches the President these people need to do whatever they can to stay in their positions to keep Trump from doing something really stupid.   Would you rather he fill his staff with inexperienced Bannon types?   
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    vaggar99vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,426
    he certainly has the cold dead look of a Nazi in his eyes
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/10/31/john-kelly-calls-robert-e-lee-an-honorable-man-and-says-lack-of-compromise-caused-the-civil-war/?utm_term=.bf9de6f239d4
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,609
    Funny how the republicans in congress aren’t calling for him to resign or Trump to fire him. Complicit in the rot and stench of this administration. Untenable.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,161
    Kelly embarrassed himself yesterday stating that the civil war was due to the lack of being able to compromise.

    This man was a GENERAL. generals should have the basic concepts of military history. i am no general, never served, and i know he was full of shit in this situation.
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    rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    Well technically he was right, the Union DID refuse to compromise on owning people as property.
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    jeffbrjeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    And technically, there were some compromises. The Missouri Compromise comes to mind. Let one of our northern states into the union, and we'll let one of your slave holding states in to maintain balance of power. Draw a line and north of the line (Missouri excluded) was forbidden to have slaves. South of the line could continue to be racist fucks. Not a great compromise, but it was an attempt. It ultimately didn't solve anything. But Kelly is dead fucking wrong about the cause of the civil war, and his stated cause wasn't even accurate. I guess that means he's double dead fucking wrong.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,161
    jeffbr said:
    And technically, there were some compromises. The Missouri Compromise comes to mind. Let one of our northern states into the union, and we'll let one of your slave holding states in to maintain balance of power. Draw a line and north of the line (Missouri excluded) was forbidden to have slaves. South of the line could continue to be racist fucks. Not a great compromise, but it was an attempt. It ultimately didn't solve anything. But Kelly is dead fucking wrong about the cause of the civil war, and his stated cause wasn't even accurate. I guess that means he's double dead fucking wrong.
    this is part of the republican effort to whitewash the causes of the civil war. to try to humanize traitors. to try to blame lincoln, which is ironic because lincoln was a republican and that fact is one of the things republicans cling to.
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    Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 36,609
    gimmesometruth27 said:
    jeffbr said:
    And technically, there were some compromises. The Missouri Compromise comes to mind. Let one of our northern states into the union, and we'll let one of your slave holding states in to maintain balance of power. Draw a line and north of the line (Missouri excluded) was forbidden to have slaves. South of the line could continue to be racist fucks. Not a great compromise, but it was an attempt. It ultimately didn't solve anything. But Kelly is dead fucking wrong about the cause of the civil war, and his stated cause wasn't even accurate. I guess that means he's double dead fucking wrong.
    this is part of the republican effort to whitewash the causes of the civil war. to try to humanize traitors. to try to blame lincoln, which is ironic because lincoln was a republican and that fact is one of the things republicans cling to.
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