** THE IMPENDING IMPEACHMENT OR RESIGNATION OF DONALD J TRUMP **

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 13,797
    edited June 21
    And back in reality:

    “Coincidence Number 395”: The N.R.A. Spent $30 Million to Elect Trump. Was It Russian Money? - Vanity Fair https://apple.news/A7nPTIc3ZSmKQhffgfSMKbg

    Follow the money from Russia with love and a PTape all the way to impeachment.

    WHAT ARE THEY HIDING? WHAT DON'T THEY WANT YOU TO KNOW? Did Russian money also fund republican senate and house seats? Remember the nervous laughter about where certian politicians get their money? Remember that? Buh, buh, buh Hillary, CGF, Uranium 1. Why won't the NRA come clean with its foreign donors list?
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 13,797
    Coincidence? I think not. Dots being connected.

    https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/20/politics/cohen-resigns-from-rnc/index.html
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 30,995
    edited June 22
    2019
    About the same percentage of people want Trump impeached Now as they wanted Nixon AFTER the Watergate story came to light

    You think these numbers will increase after the investigation is actually completed?  

    Trust. The. Process.
    Wait. For. Mueller. To. Finish. 

    https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/06/22/politics/impeach-trump-nixon-support-bill-clinton-poll/index.html?__twitter_impression=true

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 7,592
    2018, the year when Dennis Rodman and Tom Arnodl saved the world.

    https://hillreporter.com/michael-cohen-tom-arnold-2974

    “I say to Michael, ‘Guess what? We’re taking Trump down together, and he’s so tired he’s like, ‘OK,’ and his wife is like, ‘OK, f*** Trump,'” Arnold laughed.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 13,797
    Just. A. Matter. Of. Time. Well, that and connected dots!

    http://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-impeachment-approval-rating-991900
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  • KatKat There's a lot to be said for nowhere.Posts: 3,352
    It can't come soon enough for me...or the country.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 7,592
    Kat said:
    It can't come soon enough for me...or the country.
    ...or the world.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 13,797
    Follow the money from Russia with love and a PTape all the way to impeachment. Go get ‘em Team Mueller.

    Paul Manafort is having a very bad month — and the odds of his flipping on Trump just keep getting higher - Business Insider https://apple.news/AiDYXUsHNTVeShqsn3vm-uA

    Mueller seeks to bar Manafort from tying charges to Trump campaign role - POLITICO https://apple.news/A2vZ260THRH6Gq2hgNbFGqA


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 13,797
    I wonder how Paul Manafort is enjoying his new digs? I also wonder how many of those 150 blank subpoenas have been filled in?

    Follow the money from Russia with love and a PTape all the way to impeachment.
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 7,160
    Kat said:
    It can't come soon enough for me...or the country.
    And from my perspective, I'm seriously fearful of what would happen to the state of your country if he is impeached. Right now, you have a divided nation with a leader who's successfully convinced a good percentage of the civilians that the 'other side' is out to get him - I don't see it ending well if they do 'get him'. I fear the ugliness hasn't come close to its peak yet.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 13,797
    What most don’t seem to realize is that folks like Team Trump Treason are considered total shit bags by honorable public servants and ex marines like Team Mueller.

    Robert Mueller Could Have an October Surprise for the G.O.P. - Vanity Fair https://apple.news/A97vAbnkzTWWr_A6kQ6yeLw

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 40,949
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    benjs said:
    Kat said:
    It can't come soon enough for me...or the country.
    And from my perspective, I'm seriously fearful of what would happen to the state of your country if he is impeached. Right now, you have a divided nation with a leader who's successfully convinced a good percentage of the civilians that the 'other side' is out to get him - I don't see it ending well if they do 'get him'. I fear the ugliness hasn't come close to its peak yet.
    I know this is a concern amoung many, but I am not sure I'm quite clear on what people have in mind exactly. Can you or someone explain what exactly you fear there, that would be worse than what's going on with him in office?
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 7,160
    PJ_Soul said:
    benjs said:
    Kat said:
    It can't come soon enough for me...or the country.
    And from my perspective, I'm seriously fearful of what would happen to the state of your country if he is impeached. Right now, you have a divided nation with a leader who's successfully convinced a good percentage of the civilians that the 'other side' is out to get him - I don't see it ending well if they do 'get him'. I fear the ugliness hasn't come close to its peak yet.
    I know this is a concern amoung many, but I am not sure I'm quite clear on what people have in mind exactly. Can you or someone explain what exactly you fear there, that would be worse than what's going on with him in office?
    Absolutely. I fear that those that cling to justifying intolerance, to the refusal of logical debate when inconvenient, those that excuse unethical treatment of humans when it aligns with their own (im)moral compasses, those that have a history of violence when unfavourable decisions are made, and/or mob mentality will run rampant. Where governments can abuse with policy, I am fearful that unhappy citizens (who already feel that the world is unduly owned by 'libs') will violently revolt when they inevitably see Trump's impeachment as further proof of that corruption.

    Of course, this is a gut sense, but I think it aligns with the characteristics of some unsavoury group we've seen so far. Several formerly weak or weakening groups forced to the fringes of society all have acceptance in the eyes of Trump: white supremacists, religiously-fueled anti-abortionists, gun advocates who equate the rejection of Conservatism with a mission to seize all firearms.. there are enough groups that put hatred for others above their own well-being, and they are all uniquely validated in their missions by Trump. What happens when that validating force is unwillingly removed from power? 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 13,797
    150 blank subpoenas.And some on here think there’ll be dismissal of charges and acquittals?

    Robert Mueller's Latest Witness Andrew Miller is Roger Stone Associate and Former Spitzer Madam's Campaign Manager - Newsweek https://apple.news/A7fdaxqVnSk6YPLZz_bKCRA
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  • DPrival78DPrival78 CTPosts: 2,227
    benjs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    benjs said:
    Kat said:
    It can't come soon enough for me...or the country.
    And from my perspective, I'm seriously fearful of what would happen to the state of your country if he is impeached. Right now, you have a divided nation with a leader who's successfully convinced a good percentage of the civilians that the 'other side' is out to get him - I don't see it ending well if they do 'get him'. I fear the ugliness hasn't come close to its peak yet.
    I know this is a concern amoung many, but I am not sure I'm quite clear on what people have in mind exactly. Can you or someone explain what exactly you fear there, that would be worse than what's going on with him in office?
    Absolutely. I fear that those that cling to justifying intolerance, to the refusal of logical debate when inconvenient, those that excuse unethical treatment of humans when it aligns with their own (im)moral compasses, those that have a history of violence when unfavourable decisions are made, and/or mob mentality will run rampant. Where governments can abuse with policy, I am fearful that unhappy citizens (who already feel that the world is unduly owned by 'libs') will violently revolt when they inevitably see Trump's impeachment as further proof of that corruption.

    Of course, this is a gut sense, but I think it aligns with the characteristics of some unsavoury group we've seen so far. Several formerly weak or weakening groups forced to the fringes of society all have acceptance in the eyes of Trump: white supremacists, religiously-fueled anti-abortionists, gun advocates who equate the rejection of Conservatism with a mission to seize all firearms.. there are enough groups that put hatred for others above their own well-being, and they are all uniquely validated in their missions by Trump. What happens when that validating force is unwillingly removed from power? 
    Are you saying that only folks who are right of center have engaged in, let’s say, aggressive, or just plain violent, behavior?  Let’s not forget the long, bloody history of the left here..

    The guy isn’t getting impeached, so we’re just going to have to put up with the rest of his term.  And, if the think-like-me-or-else-you’re-a-nazi crowd doesn’t watch it, it will be two terms. 

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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 6,698
    DPrival78 said:
    benjs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    benjs said:
    Kat said:
    It can't come soon enough for me...or the country.
    And from my perspective, I'm seriously fearful of what would happen to the state of your country if he is impeached. Right now, you have a divided nation with a leader who's successfully convinced a good percentage of the civilians that the 'other side' is out to get him - I don't see it ending well if they do 'get him'. I fear the ugliness hasn't come close to its peak yet.
    I know this is a concern amoung many, but I am not sure I'm quite clear on what people have in mind exactly. Can you or someone explain what exactly you fear there, that would be worse than what's going on with him in office?
    Absolutely. I fear that those that cling to justifying intolerance, to the refusal of logical debate when inconvenient, those that excuse unethical treatment of humans when it aligns with their own (im)moral compasses, those that have a history of violence when unfavourable decisions are made, and/or mob mentality will run rampant. Where governments can abuse with policy, I am fearful that unhappy citizens (who already feel that the world is unduly owned by 'libs') will violently revolt when they inevitably see Trump's impeachment as further proof of that corruption.

    Of course, this is a gut sense, but I think it aligns with the characteristics of some unsavoury group we've seen so far. Several formerly weak or weakening groups forced to the fringes of society all have acceptance in the eyes of Trump: white supremacists, religiously-fueled anti-abortionists, gun advocates who equate the rejection of Conservatism with a mission to seize all firearms.. there are enough groups that put hatred for others above their own well-being, and they are all uniquely validated in their missions by Trump. What happens when that validating force is unwillingly removed from power? 
    Are you saying that only folks who are right of center have engaged in, let’s say, aggressive, or just plain violent, behavior?  Let’s not forget the long, bloody history of the left here..

    The guy isn’t getting impeached, so we’re just going to have to put up with the rest of his term.  And, if the think-like-me-or-else-you’re-a-nazi crowd doesn’t watch it, it will be two terms. 

    Because I’m sure his lower approval rating and less votes than the opponent will win him another election. In the meantime, let’s passively sit back and observe. 

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    Fuck Trump. Period. 
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    my2hands said:
    Fuck Trump. Period. 
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 14,537
    2018
    DPrival78 said:
    benjs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    benjs said:
    Kat said:
    It can't come soon enough for me...or the country.
    And from my perspective, I'm seriously fearful of what would happen to the state of your country if he is impeached. Right now, you have a divided nation with a leader who's successfully convinced a good percentage of the civilians that the 'other side' is out to get him - I don't see it ending well if they do 'get him'. I fear the ugliness hasn't come close to its peak yet.
    I know this is a concern amoung many, but I am not sure I'm quite clear on what people have in mind exactly. Can you or someone explain what exactly you fear there, that would be worse than what's going on with him in office?
    Absolutely. I fear that those that cling to justifying intolerance, to the refusal of logical debate when inconvenient, those that excuse unethical treatment of humans when it aligns with their own (im)moral compasses, those that have a history of violence when unfavourable decisions are made, and/or mob mentality will run rampant. Where governments can abuse with policy, I am fearful that unhappy citizens (who already feel that the world is unduly owned by 'libs') will violently revolt when they inevitably see Trump's impeachment as further proof of that corruption.

    Of course, this is a gut sense, but I think it aligns with the characteristics of some unsavoury group we've seen so far. Several formerly weak or weakening groups forced to the fringes of society all have acceptance in the eyes of Trump: white supremacists, religiously-fueled anti-abortionists, gun advocates who equate the rejection of Conservatism with a mission to seize all firearms.. there are enough groups that put hatred for others above their own well-being, and they are all uniquely validated in their missions by Trump. What happens when that validating force is unwillingly removed from power? 
    Are you saying that only folks who are right of center have engaged in, let’s say, aggressive, or just plain violent, behavior?  Let’s not forget the long, bloody history of the left here..

    The guy isn’t getting impeached, so we’re just going to have to put up with the rest of his term.  And, if the think-like-me-or-else-you’re-a-nazi crowd doesn’t watch it, it will be two terms. 

    Because I’m sure his lower approval rating and less votes than the opponent will win him another election. In the meantime, let’s passively sit back and observe. 

    his approval rating is actually not terrible, from an article I recently read on CNN. and it all depends on the economy and what happens with the SCOTUS, and the biggie, HIS OPPONENT. if he enrages enough liberals to vote, it could be a landslide. if he appoints a moderate, it could be tough. 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 30,995
    2019

    ^

    Hugh--what's your definition of "not terrible?" It is literally historically low. As of this morning, according to 538, there has never been a president with a lower overall approval than Trump at this point into their first term....like, ever...in this history of polling:

     https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon WinnipegPosts: 14,537
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    ^

    Hugh--what's your definition of "not terrible?" It is literally historically low. As of this morning, according to 538, there has never been a president with a lower overall approval than Trump at this point into their first term....like, ever...in this history of polling:

     https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

    I wish I could find the article again, but it said his overall approval right now was in the low 40's. maybe the comparison being made in the article wasn't accurate. I thought Obama was always hovering around the low to mid 40's. but now looking at the link you posted that is obviously not true. 
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 30,995
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    2019

    ^

    Hugh--what's your definition of "not terrible?" It is literally historically low. As of this morning, according to 538, there has never been a president with a lower overall approval than Trump at this point into their first term....like, ever...in this history of polling:

     https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/?ex_cid=rrpromo

    I wish I could find the article again, but it said his overall approval right now was in the low 40's. maybe the comparison being made in the article wasn't accurate. I thought Obama was always hovering around the low to mid 40's. but now looking at the link you posted that is obviously not true. 


    To me the thing that really illustrates how low his numbers are is that he's still coasting off of Obama's economy. You mentioned the economy earlier. Usually if the economy is good, the approvals are over 50%. Imagine how much lower he will go once the correction happens (especially if it's sped up by his dumb trade war).


    Looks like Obama dipped to 44%ish right before the 2010 midterms when the tea party erupted. Trump hasn't been that high since his first month or so and his numbers are going down again.

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BCPosts: 40,949
    2018
    DPrival78 said:
    benjs said:
    PJ_Soul said:
    benjs said:
    Kat said:
    It can't come soon enough for me...or the country.
    And from my perspective, I'm seriously fearful of what would happen to the state of your country if he is impeached. Right now, you have a divided nation with a leader who's successfully convinced a good percentage of the civilians that the 'other side' is out to get him - I don't see it ending well if they do 'get him'. I fear the ugliness hasn't come close to its peak yet.
    I know this is a concern amoung many, but I am not sure I'm quite clear on what people have in mind exactly. Can you or someone explain what exactly you fear there, that would be worse than what's going on with him in office?
    Absolutely. I fear that those that cling to justifying intolerance, to the refusal of logical debate when inconvenient, those that excuse unethical treatment of humans when it aligns with their own (im)moral compasses, those that have a history of violence when unfavourable decisions are made, and/or mob mentality will run rampant. Where governments can abuse with policy, I am fearful that unhappy citizens (who already feel that the world is unduly owned by 'libs') will violently revolt when they inevitably see Trump's impeachment as further proof of that corruption.

    Of course, this is a gut sense, but I think it aligns with the characteristics of some unsavoury group we've seen so far. Several formerly weak or weakening groups forced to the fringes of society all have acceptance in the eyes of Trump: white supremacists, religiously-fueled anti-abortionists, gun advocates who equate the rejection of Conservatism with a mission to seize all firearms.. there are enough groups that put hatred for others above their own well-being, and they are all uniquely validated in their missions by Trump. What happens when that validating force is unwillingly removed from power? 
    Are you saying that only folks who are right of center have engaged in, let’s say, aggressive, or just plain violent, behavior?  Let’s not forget the long, bloody history of the left here..

    The guy isn’t getting impeached, so we’re just going to have to put up with the rest of his term.  And, if the think-like-me-or-else-you’re-a-nazi crowd doesn’t watch it, it will be two terms. 

    Because I’m sure his lower approval rating and less votes than the opponent will win him another election. In the meantime, let’s passively sit back and observe. 

    his approval rating is actually not terrible, from an article I recently read on CNN. and it all depends on the economy and what happens with the SCOTUS, and the biggie, HIS OPPONENT. if he enrages enough liberals to vote, it could be a landslide. if he appoints a moderate, it could be tough. 
    That's right. Sadly, at the end of the day, I think the majority of Americans really only care about money and/or how comfortable they are personally. If they are personally comfortable and don't personally feel economically threatened come election time, they will let all other issues fade to the backs of their minds and vote Trump, and then make excuses later.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 13,797
    Disappearing headlines, sure. Necessary, sure. Wires tapped, yup. Poisoned tree, yea sure. Somehow something to be proud of, advocate for, propagate and be proud of, if you have no moral compass or fear giving the baby sitter a ride home.

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 13,797
    I thought Team Trump Treason welcomed a sit down with Team Mueller and “had nothing to hide?” What are they hiding?

    Shifting Strategy, Trump’s Lawyers Set New Conditions for Mueller Interview - The New York Times https://apple.news/A0cpIHtK8S4qdM9BInmfJFg
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 13,797
    Oh, oh? Seems some really, really big dots are going to be connected. Probably negotiating witness protection for his wife and kids. I wonder if he’s got a copy of the PTAPE?

    Week 59: Cohen Declares His Independence from Trump - POLITICO https://apple.news/Aoiv46DXXRzOFVn0gNhab8Q
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ONPosts: 7,160
    Oh, oh? Seems some really, really big dots are going to be connected. Probably negotiating witness protection for his wife and kids. I wonder if he’s got a copy of the PTAPE?

    Week 59: Cohen Declares His Independence from Trump - POLITICO https://apple.news/Aoiv46DXXRzOFVn0gNhab8Q
    H2TM, I don't have much faith this will happen, but I do have high hopes. Nothing would make me happier than to have been wrong this whole time, and to see him go down in flames over this. I still do have concerns over what I think will be a socially ugly aftermath - but we're in the socially ugly midst of it right now, anyways.
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 30,995
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    Seems more and more likely that Cohen wants to expose his old boss...
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  • The JugglerThe Juggler Behind that bush over there.Posts: 30,995
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    Nothing to see here...
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 13,797
    A few more of those 150 blank subpoenas might have been filled out.

    Special counsel pushing for info on Roger Stone, WikiLeaks, sources say - ABC News https://apple.news/AgbYjmq3nRga4b4LE8ONHVg
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