there was a time when i thought 25 songs wasn't enough. As in, I could stand there all night. I still would be okay with that if it was a show that i was luck enough to be at. In general, it does seem like the shows have gotten longer than necessary. Perhaps if ticket prices were more reasonable the band wouldn't feel obligated to play such long shows?
I think ticket prices are very reasonable compared to what the market would command. Look at Rolling Stones or Roger Waters prices. They are obscene. The only thing that has changed is me... I'm less willing to hang for a rail spot or stand at a festival for 10 hours. The last one I did was Midtown in 2012 and that's because there were only three US shows that year.
I agree, PJ prices relative to the industry are reasonable. Its just that the industry is not reasonable.
there was a time when i thought 25 songs wasn't enough. As in, I could stand there all night. I still would be okay with that if it was a show that i was luck enough to be at. In general, it does seem like the shows have gotten longer than necessary. Perhaps if ticket prices were more reasonable the band wouldn't feel obligated to play such long shows?
I think ticket prices are very reasonable compared to what the market would command. Look at Rolling Stones or Roger Waters prices. They are obscene. The only thing that has changed is me... I'm less willing to hang for a rail spot or stand at a festival for 10 hours. The last one I did was Midtown in 2012 and that's because there were only three US shows that year.
I agree, PJ prices relative to the industry are reasonable. Its just that the industry is not reasonable.
That is the damn truth. I think you can thank Apple, Spotify, and the like for that. The economic model of streaming music has devalued the artist's studio work. They get very little cut. From what I understand, tours are where they make money. Not 100% sure that's true, but I've read that in a few places.
there was a time when i thought 25 songs wasn't enough. As in, I could stand there all night. I still would be okay with that if it was a show that i was luck enough to be at. In general, it does seem like the shows have gotten longer than necessary. Perhaps if ticket prices were more reasonable the band wouldn't feel obligated to play such long shows?
I think ticket prices are very reasonable compared to what the market would command. Look at Rolling Stones or Roger Waters prices. They are obscene. The only thing that has changed is me... I'm less willing to hang for a rail spot or stand at a festival for 10 hours. The last one I did was Midtown in 2012 and that's because there were only three US shows that year.
I agree, PJ prices relative to the industry are reasonable. Its just that the industry is not reasonable.
That is the damn truth. I think you can thank Apple, Spotify, and the like for that. The economic model of streaming music has devalued the artist's studio work. They get very little cut. From what I understand, tours are where they make money. Not 100% sure that's true, but I've read that in a few places.
Lol, I don't get up to piss anyways. Honestly I'm a borderline alcoholic, but when it comes to PJ shows I buy a bottle of water and that's it. I look forward to live shows often for years or months at a time, so the last thing I want to do is forget one second of the show. Not a criticism of anyone who enjoys booze at shows, but I've seen people fall asleep (pass out) in their seats before the show even starts. Also, I don't think I'd be as inclined to travel for multiple shows if they were shorter or more predictable.
I'm with you on this one. H2O or light drinking for me. I made the rookie mistake of drinking too much before Wrigley this year. I was up jamming the entire show but the details are fuzzier than I'd like for a show I waited 6 months to see. Lesson learned.
Lol, I don't get up to piss anyways. Honestly I'm a borderline alcoholic, but when it comes to PJ shows I buy a bottle of water and that's it. I look forward to live shows often for years or months at a time, so the last thing I want to do is forget one second of the show. Not a criticism of anyone who enjoys booze at shows, but I've seen people fall asleep (pass out) in their seats before the show even starts. Also, I don't think I'd be as inclined to travel for multiple shows if they were shorter or more predictable.
I'm with you on this one. H2O or light drinking for me. I made the rookie mistake of drinking too much before Wrigley this year. I was up jamming the entire show but the details are fuzzier than I'd like for a show I waited 6 months to see. Lesson learned.
As far as length of show...the LONGER the BETTER!
2 beers (real beers, not that light stuff) is the sweet spot, with bathroom break after the opener (or right before if no opener). Enough buzz to have a little more fun without fuzzy recollection or lots of bathroom breaks. The whole show to me is an experience!
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Lol, I don't get up to piss anyways. Honestly I'm a borderline alcoholic, but when it comes to PJ shows I buy a bottle of water and that's it. I look forward to live shows often for years or months at a time, so the last thing I want to do is forget one second of the show. Not a criticism of anyone who enjoys booze at shows, but I've seen people fall asleep (pass out) in their seats before the show even starts. Also, I don't think I'd be as inclined to travel for multiple shows if they were shorter or more predictable.
I'm with you on this one. H2O or light drinking for me. I made the rookie mistake of drinking too much before Wrigley this year. I was up jamming the entire show but the details are fuzzier than I'd like for a show I waited 6 months to see. Lesson learned.
As far as length of show...the LONGER the BETTER!
2 beers (real beers, not that light stuff) is the sweet spot, with bathroom break after the opener (or right before if no opener). Enough buzz to have a little more fun without fuzzy recollection or lots of bathroom breaks. The whole show to me is an experience!
Two beers and some candy from Colorado will treat you perfect. No running to the bathroom, great buzz but full memory.
Personally, the Yield era show length was perfect. No lulls. The pacing was perfect. I definitely understand wanting to see the band for as long as possible and hearing more and more rare stuff. Its just to me a perfect flowing bootleg would be 22-25 songs
there was a time when i thought 25 songs wasn't enough. As in, I could stand there all night. I still would be okay with that if it was a show that i was luck enough to be at. In general, it does seem like the shows have gotten longer than necessary. Perhaps if ticket prices were more reasonable the band wouldn't feel obligated to play such long shows?
I think ticket prices are very reasonable compared to what the market would command. Look at Rolling Stones or Roger Waters prices. They are obscene. The only thing that has changed is me... I'm less willing to hang for a rail spot or stand at a festival for 10 hours. The last one I did was Midtown in 2012 and that's because there were only three US shows that year.
I agree, PJ prices relative to the industry are reasonable. Its just that the industry is not reasonable.
That is the damn truth. I think you can thank Apple, Spotify, and the like for that. The economic model of streaming music has devalued the artist's studio work. They get very little cut. From what I understand, tours are where they make money. Not 100% sure that's true, but I've read that in a few places.
i would take it a step further and say the invention magnetic media sealed the fate of music. It just took 50 years for the rest of the technological pieces to fall into place.
Anyhow, its unfortunate. now all we got is mediocre at best pop music. you got the Stones who don't even bother writing new songs. U2 and PJ at least put something out every few years. REM gave up. Neil never stopped.
Personally, the Yield era show length was perfect. No lulls. The pacing was perfect. I definitely understand wanting to see the band for as long as possible and hearing more and more rare stuff. Its just to me a perfect flowing bootleg would be 22-25 songs
This might because they'd written next to no "clunkers" by that point. Imagine either one of those 1998 Vault releases with 10 more 1990s songs!!!!
Personally, the Yield era show length was perfect. No lulls. The pacing was perfect. I definitely understand wanting to see the band for as long as possible and hearing more and more rare stuff. Its just to me a perfect flowing bootleg would be 22-25 songs
This might because they'd written next to no "clunkers" by that point. Imagine either one of those 1998 Vault releases with 10 more 1990s songs!!!!
That really is s great point. Every single song was kick ass at that point. 98 has to be their best tour ever.
Personally, the Yield era show length was perfect. No lulls. The pacing was perfect. I definitely understand wanting to see the band for as long as possible and hearing more and more rare stuff. Its just to me a perfect flowing bootleg would be 22-25 songs
This might because they'd written next to no "clunkers" by that point. Imagine either one of those 1998 Vault releases with 10 more 1990s songs!!!!
How are we supposed to piss without piss break songs?
I never piss break at a concert. Whether its 2 hours or 3 hours. For PJ shows (where I have GA tix) I drink lots of fluids up until around 30 to 60 minutes before doors open. Just enough time to let the rest flow out. Then I stay dehydrated until the show's over. It usually works out really good, but I'm super thirsty by the time the show is over. Sure I was a little envious at the people drinking beer in the Wrigley Pit, but then I saw what a crapshow it was trying to get around that thing....
I guess that answers the OP's question though. I'd rather see them keep doing 3 hour sets. Maybe mix up the staples they play a bit more. We really don't need Even Flow at every show but that's only 1 song.
Love the longer concerts...but also love a great support band too. I remember at Manchester 2009 they played for around 2 hrs.. With the great support band Gomez. Memorable evening. They've probably set a benchmark now where the fans expect a 3hr concert...so it'll be difficult to change...but it's the bands decision ....love the impact of a shorter set myself...with a extended rearviewmirror. ....whatever though...it's all good:)
While a 3+ hour show is nice, I feel like doing that is actually detrimental to the band's overall performance on tour. Such long shows are just too hard on Eddie's voice night after night. And that isn't an insult to Eddie. Most singers couldn't even do 25 a night, let alone 30+. So yeah, if their shows were 2.25 - 2.5 hours, that is still a really long show and I think it could improve each show a bit and cut down on the voice cracking issue we hear sometimes. Now if the question is more about longer songs, more jamming or tags or whatever, a little more experimentation on stage, but still have 3+ hour shows with a 25 song setlist... yeah, I'd also be really happy with that option. I guess I just don't see the need to cram as many songs as possible into a setlist.
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Longer sets to me means more for the fanatical and more for the guy who only knows Jeremy, Black, Alive, and Betterman.. They create their setlists to attempt to please everyone including themselves. The shorter sets if you think about it, will be only cutting out the rare tracks, not the hits. That's what happens (Festival sets). There are more fans that attend that are not hardcore then are.. That would be boring for the band and for us...I am sure the band enjoys musically playing a song they have played once or twice on a tour more than the song they have played every night, because it is the new exciting friend they haven't seen in awhile.. and they also feed off of the energy of thousands of fans singing back the lyrics to the crowd favorites.. It has to be both!
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How are we supposed to piss without piss break songs?
I never piss break at a concert. Whether its 2 hours or 3 hours. For PJ shows (where I have GA tix) I drink lots of fluids up until around 30 to 60 minutes before doors open. Just enough time to let the rest flow out. Then I stay dehydrated until the show's over. It usually works out really good, but I'm super thirsty by the time the show is over. Sure I was a little envious at the people drinking beer in the Wrigley Pit, but then I saw what a crapshow it was trying to get around that thing....
I guess that answers the OP's question though. I'd rather see them keep doing 3 hour sets. Maybe mix up the staples they play a bit more. We really don't need Even Flow at every show but that's only 1 song.
After 50+ shows for me, my wife was finally ready to go to a show, mostly because it included a weekend of Chicago shopping. Night 2 we were in the pit... probably center about 1/3 of the way back. She had to go to the bathroom by the time Immortality started. Shockingly
While a 3+ hour show is nice, I feel like doing that is actually detrimental to the band's overall performance on tour. Such long shows are just too hard on Eddie's voice night after night. And that isn't an insult to Eddie. Most singers couldn't even do 25 a night, let alone 30+. So yeah, if their shows were 2.25 - 2.5 hours, that is still a really long show and I think it could improve each show a bit and cut down on the voice cracking issue we hear sometimes. Now if the question is more about longer songs, more jamming or tags or whatever, a little more experimentation on stage, but still have 3+ hour shows with a 25 song setlist... yeah, I'd also be really happy with that option. I guess I just don't see the need to cram as many songs as possible into a setlist.
Jam longer and sing less? Absolutely. No issues. Bruce is still going strong. Hopefully we also have 15 more years of tours.
WTF? Its great the way it is..we dont know how long we're gonna get or which songs, some you'll like some you may not like so much..but thats the wonderment of these shows. Nothing comes close from any other band.
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But obviously, I would like them to play foreeeeeveeeeeeer.
As far as length of show...the LONGER the BETTER!
Enough of this shorter shows BS talk. 30+ every night is perfect!
Anyhow, its unfortunate. now all we got is mediocre at best pop music. you got the Stones who don't even bother writing new songs. U2 and PJ at least put something out every few years. REM gave up. Neil never stopped.
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I guess that answers the OP's question though. I'd rather see them keep doing 3 hour sets. Maybe mix up the staples they play a bit more. We really don't need Even Flow at every show
Now if the question is more about longer songs, more jamming or tags or whatever, a little more experimentation on stage, but still have 3+ hour shows with a 25 song setlist... yeah, I'd also be really happy with that option. I guess I just don't see the need to cram as many songs as possible into a setlist.
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