Ben Carson for President

Gern Blansten

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/06/politics/ben-carson-responds-violent-past-new-day/index.html

This guy is an idiot. We've all known someone like him...straight A student, really booksmart but the common sense of a 10 year old.

Gern Blansten

Carson says...

"The vetting that you all did with President Obama doesn't even come close, doesn't even come close to what you guys are trying to do in my case, and you're just going to keep going back, 'He said this 12 years ago' -- it is just garbage," Carson said. "Give me a break."

Seriously...Obama's birth certificate questions "doesn't even come close" to people asking Carson's childhood friends about his past?

Jason P

He must be doing well in the polls. After basically ignoring him, Gawker is going after every story they can dig into right now to discredit him in the past several weeks.

callen

Carson feels Egyptian pyramids used to store grain not to entomb Pharos. All the archeologists are wrong.

See this aligns with the bible.

Gern Blansten

Jason P said:

He must be doing well in the polls. After basically ignoring him, Gawker is going after every story they can dig into right now to discredit him in the past several weeks.

Yeah he's the flavor of the month.

eddiec

callen said:

Carson feels Egyptian pyramids used to store grain not to entomb Pharos. All the archeologists are wrong.

See this aligns with the bible.

I was reading that today. It's his 'personal belief' because for him there is only the bible. Talk about pandering to those crazy American bible bashers- which unfortunately is a lot of people. Whatever happened to separation of church and state. The GOP can't stop claiming how religious they are.

Gern Blansten

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

buh bye asshole

rgambs

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

buh bye asshole

Yeah, right. The mouthbreathers that love Carson won't pay any attention to it.

mrussel1

rgambs said:

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

buh bye asshole

Yeah, right. The mouthbreathers that love Carson won't pay any attention to it.

They may not, but this is a pretty damaging story to the general public.

PJPOWER

mrussel1 said:

rgambs said:

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

buh bye asshole

Yeah, right. The mouthbreathers that love Carson won't pay any attention to it.

They may not, but this is a pretty damaging story to the general public.

Looks like the whole politico piece was just debunked...gotta love politics.

mrussel1

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

rgambs said:

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

buh bye asshole

Yeah, right. The mouthbreathers that love Carson won't pay any attention to it.

They may not, but this is a pretty damaging story to the general public.

Looks like the whole politico piece was just debunked...gotta love politics.

Where do you see that?

PJPOWER

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

rgambs said:

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

buh bye asshole

Yeah, right. The mouthbreathers that love Carson won't pay any attention to it.

They may not, but this is a pretty damaging story to the general public.

Looks like the whole politico piece was just debunked...gotta love politics.

Where do you see that?

There are several articles out there, but it's Friday and I'd rather not get into a left wing vs. right wing media biased propaganda argument today . I've looked at both sides of this story now, though, and it does seem that Politico straight up lied about some key points. I'll let you research and draw your own conclusions though.

2-feign-reluctance

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ufGlBv8Z3NU

Bentleyspop

Ben Carson Campaign Now Says He 'Did Not Seek Admission' to West Point - ABC News
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ben-carson-campaign-now-seek-admission-west-point/story?id=35024225

What I find funny in the article is that he said in his book that he "was offered a full scholarship to West Point". As if there were other scholarship options.

SPEEDY MCCREADY

A politician who lied?

I am fucking SHOCKED!

mrussel1

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

rgambs said:

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

buh bye asshole

Yeah, right. The mouthbreathers that love Carson won't pay any attention to it.

They may not, but this is a pretty damaging story to the general public.

Looks like the whole politico piece was just debunked...gotta love politics.

Where do you see that?

There are several articles out there, but it's Friday and I'd rather not get into a left wing vs. right wing media biased propaganda argument today . I've looked at both sides of this story now, though, and it does seem that Politico straight up lied about some key points. I'll let you research and draw your own conclusions though.

I don't understand. It seems clear that his book said he was offered a full scholarship and now his campaign, after Politico went to print, is saying that he didn't mean that.

Ben Carson did not apply and was not admitted to the U.S. Military Academy, despite writing in his book "Gifted Hands" that he had gotten a full scholarship offer from the school, his presidential campaign told ABC News.

"Again, though his senior commander was in touch with West Point and told Dr. Carson he could get in, Dr. Carson did not seek admission," the campaign said in a statement today.

Carson, as an ROTC student, was told that West Point would process an admission for him, campaign spokesman Doug Watts said."

This isn't left/right stuff here. It seems pretty straightforward.

PJPOWER

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

rgambs said:

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

buh bye asshole

Yeah, right. The mouthbreathers that love Carson won't pay any attention to it.

They may not, but this is a pretty damaging story to the general public.

Looks like the whole politico piece was just debunked...gotta love politics.

Where do you see that?

There are several articles out there, but it's Friday and I'd rather not get into a left wing vs. right wing media biased propaganda argument today . I've looked at both sides of this story now, though, and it does seem that Politico straight up lied about some key points. I'll let you research and draw your own conclusions though.

I don't understand. It seems clear that his book said he was offered a full scholarship and now his campaign, after Politico went to print, is saying that he didn't mean that.

Ben Carson did not apply and was not admitted to the U.S. Military Academy, despite writing in his book "Gifted Hands" that he had gotten a full scholarship offer from the school, his presidential campaign told ABC News.

"Again, though his senior commander was in touch with West Point and told Dr. Carson he could get in, Dr. Carson did not seek admission," the campaign said in a statement today.

Carson, as an ROTC student, was told that West Point would process an admission for him, campaign spokesman Doug Watts said."

This isn't left/right stuff here. It seems pretty straightforward.

Don't fool yourself, if you're reading a left leaning or right leaning publication right now, there is a spin. Is politico a left leaning or right leaning media outlet and what is their agenda? I tend not to place much credit in this type of sniping, trying to make something out of nothing. Rediculous in my opinion.

Here is the full email from the Carson campaign sent to Politico.
"Dr. Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit. In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer. He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors. They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission."

Politico inferred that he lied about admittance, but in his book he clearly stated that he never applied, just that he had some random conversation in which he was offered a scholarship and that he let them know he was not interested. So who is lying?

mrussel1

I agree that there is no such thing as an unbiased source. People get mad about left wing media, blah blah Fox news, but in this country, each party has always had its organ. Whether you were Dem, Republican, Whig, Know-Nothing, Federalist or Anti-Freemason, everyone had a mouthpiece. It wasn't until the 60s where this unbiased BS started. I don't get caught up in that. However, the quotes that I have seen in the book say that he was "offered a full scholarship". No one has disputed those words to my knowledge. Hoewever, if you say that and you never applied, that that is intentionally misleading at best. If I was offered a scholarship to the University of Richmond and because the academic standards are similar to that of Duke, I couldn't go around saying I was offered a scholarship to Duke. Or if a Duke adviser told me my grades were good enough to get a scholarship. Those are not the same thing. And from what I can tell, that's what Carson is arguing.

I was really good at ROTC, Westmoreland said I could get in, ergo I was offered a scholarship to a military academy.

mrussel1

And please show me the source and quote in the same book (Gifted Hands) where Carson says he never applied. If that exists, then this is a non-story. I would agree with that. But I haven't seen that yet.

rgambs

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

rgambs said:

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

buh bye asshole

Yeah, right. The mouthbreathers that love Carson won't pay any attention to it.

They may not, but this is a pretty damaging story to the general public.

Looks like the whole politico piece was just debunked...gotta love politics.

Where do you see that?

There are several articles out there, but it's Friday and I'd rather not get into a left wing vs. right wing media biased propaganda argument today . I've looked at both sides of this story now, though, and it does seem that Politico straight up lied about some key points. I'll let you research and draw your own conclusions though.

I don't understand. It seems clear that his book said he was offered a full scholarship and now his campaign, after Politico went to print, is saying that he didn't mean that.

Ben Carson did not apply and was not admitted to the U.S. Military Academy, despite writing in his book "Gifted Hands" that he had gotten a full scholarship offer from the school, his presidential campaign told ABC News.

"Again, though his senior commander was in touch with West Point and told Dr. Carson he could get in, Dr. Carson did not seek admission," the campaign said in a statement today.

Carson, as an ROTC student, was told that West Point would process an admission for him, campaign spokesman Doug Watts said."

This isn't left/right stuff here. It seems pretty straightforward.

Don't fool yourself, if you're reading a left leaning or right leaning publication right now, there is a spin. Is politico a left leaning or right leaning media outlet and what is their agenda? I tend not to place much credit in this type of sniping, trying to make something out of nothing. Rediculous in my opinion.

Here is the full email from the Carson campaign sent to Politico.
"Dr. Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit. In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer. He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors. They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission."

Politico inferred that he lied about admittance, but in his book he clearly stated that he never applied, just that he had some random conversation in which he was offered a scholarship and that he let them know he was not interested. So who is lying?

Saying that you decided not to attend, as opposed to saying that you decided not to apply are two different things. It may seem like a minor distinction, but it makes all the difference.

mrussel1

Here's the latest and the parsing of words...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/06/ben-carsons-allies-defend-west-point-story-he-got-an-offer-did-not-apply/

mickeyrat

Bentleyspop said:

Ben Carson Campaign Now Says He 'Did Not Seek Admission' to West Point - ABC News
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/ben-carson-campaign-now-seek-admission-west-point/story?id=35024225

What I find funny in the article is that he said in his book that he "was offered a full scholarship to West Point". As if there were other scholarship options.

You get an appt to a service college. No cost to student except for service time. Major deal to get in.

But as with most who write these things , embellished strongly is par for the course. But I will say he isnt the paragon of honesty and integrity he has made himself out to be.

PJfanwillneverleave1

2:30 on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TAdQ_J6rWg

brianlux

Whoa, check this out. I died laughing...

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/nov/06/is-ben-carson-running-a-presidential-campaign-or-a-budding-record-label

"Now that the Carson campaign has released two songs in one week – one country and the other hip-hop – it seems fair to ask whether the campaign is in fact a thinly veiled excuse to launch a record label instead."

Go Beavers

Jason P said:

He must be doing well in the polls. After basically ignoring him, Gawker is going after every story they can dig into right now to discredit him in the past several weeks.

He is doing well. He's in the lead, just ahead of Trump. "Hey, I may be Republican, but I'm not racist, I'm voting for Ben Carson!".

Gern Blansten

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

PJPOWER said:

mrussel1 said:

rgambs said:

Gern Blansten said:

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

buh bye asshole

Yeah, right. The mouthbreathers that love Carson won't pay any attention to it.

They may not, but this is a pretty damaging story to the general public.

Looks like the whole politico piece was just debunked...gotta love politics.

Where do you see that?

There are several articles out there, but it's Friday and I'd rather not get into a left wing vs. right wing media biased propaganda argument today . I've looked at both sides of this story now, though, and it does seem that Politico straight up lied about some key points. I'll let you research and draw your own conclusions though.

I don't understand. It seems clear that his book said he was offered a full scholarship and now his campaign, after Politico went to print, is saying that he didn't mean that.

Ben Carson did not apply and was not admitted to the U.S. Military Academy, despite writing in his book "Gifted Hands" that he had gotten a full scholarship offer from the school, his presidential campaign told ABC News.

"Again, though his senior commander was in touch with West Point and told Dr. Carson he could get in, Dr. Carson did not seek admission," the campaign said in a statement today.

Carson, as an ROTC student, was told that West Point would process an admission for him, campaign spokesman Doug Watts said."

This isn't left/right stuff here. It seems pretty straightforward.

Don't fool yourself, if you're reading a left leaning or right leaning publication right now, there is a spin. Is politico a left leaning or right leaning media outlet and what is their agenda? I tend not to place much credit in this type of sniping, trying to make something out of nothing. Rediculous in my opinion.

Here is the full email from the Carson campaign sent to Politico.
"Dr. Carson was the top ROTC student in the City of Detroit. In that role he was invited to meet General Westmoreland. He believes it was at a banquet. He can’t remember with specificity their brief conversation but it centered around Dr. Carson’s performance as ROTC City Executive Officer. He was introduced to folks from West Point by his ROTC Supervisors. They told him they could help him get an appointment based on his grades and performance in ROTC. He considered it but in the end did not seek admission."

Politico inferred that he lied about admittance, but in his book he clearly stated that he never applied, just that he had some random conversation in which he was offered a scholarship and that he let them know he was not interested. So who is lying?

You seem to be confusing the campaign email with the book. In the book he suggested that he was offered a full scholarship to West Point. He never applied so, therefore, he could not have been offered a full scholarship....and to suggest that a full scholarship is unusual is another lie since all those admitted to WP get full scholarships.

Politico merely changed the title of their article from: "Ben Carson admits fabricating West Point Scholarship" to "Carson claimed West Point Scholarship but never applied"

The basic story is unchanged...it is now the right wing media that is trying to confuse things by stating that Politico retracted something....they really didn't at all.

Gern Blansten

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/ben-carson-west-point-215598?cmpid=sf

Link to Politico's updated article...you can see that Carson was forced to admit that he was never offered the scholarship.

Gern Blansten

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/11/chris-christie-ben-carson-215637?cmpid=sf

Christie has no sympathy...

"So I’ve got to tell you, a couple of days of being asked about something that you put in your books? I gotta tell you, I don’t have a whole lot of sympathy," the New Jersey governor went on to say. "He should answer the questions forthrightly and directly. If he does, the American people will accept it. If he doesn’t, then he’s got a problem.”

PJ_Soul

So the GOP leaders, according to current polls, are Donald Trump and Ben Carson??
Nice job Republicans!

brianlux

PJ_Soul said:

So the GOP leaders, according to current polls, are Donald Trump and Ben Carson??
Nice job Republicans!

Yeah, smooth move!

Smellyman

PJ_Soul said:

So the GOP leaders, according to current polls, are Donald Trump and Ben Carson??
Nice job Republicans!

Incredible how dumb the republican base is. What is more amazing to me is....I think they can't get more out of touch with reality yet, every election cycle they bring in more crazies.

Social media may be making them dumber. Steadfast in their idiotic ideals/ideas. It's Herd Behavior....

Wonder who potential running mates will be?