Should Pearl Jam Play in Israel?

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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,060
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 10,077
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,060
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?
    Vicious yes. Blood dripping no. 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 10,077
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?
    Vicious yes. Blood dripping no. 
    Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 17,210
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Get it thru your head PJ will never ever perform in Israel ok take that to your bank yeah yeah poor Israelí population yet you fail to give the same sympathy to the suppressed Palestinian fans !
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,060
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?
    Vicious yes. Blood dripping no. 
    Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.
    Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man. 
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,060
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Get it thru your head PJ will never ever perform in Israel ok take that to your bank yeah yeah poor Israelí population yet you fail to give the same sympathy to the suppressed Palestinian fans !
    I don't expect Pearl Jam Israel. 


  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin LouisPosts: 15,997
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Get it thru your head PJ will never ever perform in Israel ok take that to your bank yeah yeah poor Israelí population yet you fail to give the same sympathy to the suppressed Palestinian fans !
    I don't expect Pearl Jam Israel. 


    why advocate for something that will not come to pass?? seems like an awful waste of time, energy, and keystrokes.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 10,077
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?
    Vicious yes. Blood dripping no. 
    Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.
    Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man. 
    No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,060
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Get it thru your head PJ will never ever perform in Israel ok take that to your bank yeah yeah poor Israelí population yet you fail to give the same sympathy to the suppressed Palestinian fans !
    I don't expect Pearl Jam Israel. 


    why advocate for something that will not come to pass?? seems like an awful waste of time, energy, and keystrokes.
    I am not sure that I am advocating for them to play Israel. As always I advocate for the band to do whatever it is they want to do. They have never taken a stand in this issue in any firm sense and my guess is they won't. To play there requires real courage...the kind that loses friends and a portion of the fan base. I believe Pearl Jam has that type of courage but whether they choose to deploy it is up to them. Then keystrokes on here are only meant to alert the forum that many of their fans will still support them should they choose to do so. 
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,060
    edited July 19
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?
    Vicious yes. Blood dripping no. 
    Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.
    Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man. 
    No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.
    BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable. 




    Post edited by BS44325 on
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 10,077
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?
    Vicious yes. Blood dripping no. 
    Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.
    Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man. 
    No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.
    BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable. 




    There has not been one thing that you have "exposed" me to that has made me uncomfortable. Ever. Try again.
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,060
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?
    Vicious yes. Blood dripping no. 
    Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.
    Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man. 
    No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.
    BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable. 




    There has not been one thing that you have "exposed" me to that has made me uncomfortable. Ever. Try again.
    Your tone begs to differ. You do it to yourself you do and that's what really hurts. You do it to yourself it's true, you and no one else. You do it to yourself.


  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,780
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?
    Vicious yes. Blood dripping no. 
    Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.
    Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man. 
    No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.
    BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable. 




    what are your thoughts on anti bds and combating bds legislation? do they shut down free speech? 
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 10,077
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?
    Vicious yes. Blood dripping no. 
    Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.
    Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man. 
    No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.
    BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable. 




    There has not been one thing that you have "exposed" me to that has made me uncomfortable. Ever. Try again.
    Your tone begs to differ. You do it to yourself you do and that's what really hurts. You do it to yourself it's true, you and no one else. You do it to yourself.


    In the word of a former poster, "bahahahaha."
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  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,060
    JC29856 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?
    Vicious yes. Blood dripping no. 
    Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.
    Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man. 
    No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.
    BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable. 




    what are your thoughts on anti bds and combating bds legislation? do they shut down free speech? 
    Anti-bds legislation is speech. It doesn't prevent BDS from mobilizing it is only a position to not financially endorse the movement with public dollars. I understand that this confuses many but it is actually quite simple. Even with anti-BDS legislation in place BDS can still organize, protest, and speak out against Israel wherever it chooses...it just has to do it without public dollars. Anti-BDS legislation requires BDS groups to decide which is more important...it's political stance or it's public money. In the end though they still get to make the choice. They still get to speak. Nobody is stopping them.
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,060
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?
    Vicious yes. Blood dripping no. 
    Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.
    Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man. 
    No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.
    BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable. 




    There has not been one thing that you have "exposed" me to that has made me uncomfortable. Ever. Try again.
    Your tone begs to differ. You do it to yourself you do and that's what really hurts. You do it to yourself it's true, you and no one else. You do it to yourself.


    In the word of a former poster, "bahahahaha."
    Yes....bahahahah

    http://nypost.com/2017/07/18/dont-tell-radiohead-it-cant-tour-in-israel/amp/

    The show is about to start in a few hours and Roger's relevancy dies with the first note. You can follow along here...

    https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/radiohead/2017/park-hayarkon-tel-aviv-israel-23e5b437.html

    Solid sound check
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 10,077
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?
    Vicious yes. Blood dripping no. 
    Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.
    Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man. 
    No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.
    BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable. 




    There has not been one thing that you have "exposed" me to that has made me uncomfortable. Ever. Try again.
    Your tone begs to differ. You do it to yourself you do and that's what really hurts. You do it to yourself it's true, you and no one else. You do it to yourself.


    In the word of a former poster, "bahahahaha."
    Yes....bahahahah

    http://nypost.com/2017/07/18/dont-tell-radiohead-it-cant-tour-in-israel/amp/

    The show is about to start in a few hours and Roger's relevancy dies with the first note. You can follow along here...

    https://www.setlist.fm/setlist/radiohead/2017/park-hayarkon-tel-aviv-israel-23e5b437.html

    Solid sound check
    Fuck radio head and their support of an apartheid regime. They suck.
     
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  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,780
    edited July 19
    BS44325 said:
    JC29856 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?
    Vicious yes. Blood dripping no. 
    Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.
    Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man. 
    No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.
    BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable. 




    what are your thoughts on anti bds and combating bds legislation? do they shut down free speech? 
    Anti-bds legislation is speech. It doesn't prevent BDS from mobilizing it is only a position to not financially endorse the movement with public dollars. I understand that this confuses many but it is actually quite simple. Even with anti-BDS legislation in place BDS can still organize, protest, and speak out against Israel wherever it chooses...it just has to do it without public dollars. Anti-BDS legislation requires BDS groups to decide which is more important...it's political stance or it's public money. In the end though they still get to make the choice. They still get to speak. Nobody is stopping them.
    we agree that this cannot be anymore hypocritical?


    https://www.google.com/amp/www.jta.org/2017/07/17/news-opinion/united-states/roger-waters-concert-on-long-island-violates-anti-bds-law-lawmaker-says/

    http://www.spin.com/2017/07/roger-waters-bds-long-island-israel/


     
    Post edited by JC29856 on
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,060
    edited July 19
    JC29856 said:
    BS44325 said:
    JC29856 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?
    Vicious yes. Blood dripping no. 
    Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.
    Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man. 
    No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.
    BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable. 




    what are your thoughts on anti bds and combating bds legislation? do they shut down free speech? 
    Anti-bds legislation is speech. It doesn't prevent BDS from mobilizing it is only a position to not financially endorse the movement with public dollars. I understand that this confuses many but it is actually quite simple. Even with anti-BDS legislation in place BDS can still organize, protest, and speak out against Israel wherever it chooses...it just has to do it without public dollars. Anti-BDS legislation requires BDS groups to decide which is more important...it's political stance or it's public money. In the end though they still get to make the choice. They still get to speak. Nobody is stopping them.
    we agree that this cannot be anymore hypocritical?


    https://www.google.com/amp/www.jta.org/2017/07/17/news-opinion/united-states/roger-waters-concert-on-long-island-violates-anti-bds-law-lawmaker-says/

    http://www.spin.com/2017/07/roger-waters-bds-long-island-israel/


     
    It might be hypocritical...I am not sure yet and find it interesting as a point of law. Again I am not for shutting down Roger's right to perform or speak...his concert should go on. That being said I am not aware of what level of public dollars Nassau Coliseum receives. If Nassau receives public funds then certainly by law it cannot host a BDS event. A Roger Waters concert however is not a "BDS event" even if he personally supports it. The owner's of Nassaue Coliseum (I assume it's privately owned but don't know) might have to consider though whether it's reasonable to assume that a Roger Waters concert could become a platform for BDS which thereby affect there future ability to receive public funds and/or subsidies. Again this law doesn't prevent Rogers ability to speak anywhere in the state but it does prevent public dollars from flowing to him and/or associated businesses. I personally think his show should go on either way but don't find it objectionable that taxpayers do not want there money going to him or to associated businesses if he choose to make this show a platform for BDS.

    *Just to add...I am surprised that Roger Waters is willing to perform in states with anti-BDS laws on the books. If he was a true believer like he says he is then he should probably boycott these states as well. You would assume that in his eyes this anti-BDS legislation would be worse then a North Carolina bathroom law.
    Post edited by BS44325 on
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,780
    BS44325 said:
    JC29856 said:
    BS44325 said:
    JC29856 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?
    Vicious yes. Blood dripping no. 
    Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.
    Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man. 
    No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.
    BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable. 




    what are your thoughts on anti bds and combating bds legislation? do they shut down free speech? 
    Anti-bds legislation is speech. It doesn't prevent BDS from mobilizing it is only a position to not financially endorse the movement with public dollars. I understand that this confuses many but it is actually quite simple. Even with anti-BDS legislation in place BDS can still organize, protest, and speak out against Israel wherever it chooses...it just has to do it without public dollars. Anti-BDS legislation requires BDS groups to decide which is more important...it's political stance or it's public money. In the end though they still get to make the choice. They still get to speak. Nobody is stopping them.
    we agree that this cannot be anymore hypocritical?


    https://www.google.com/amp/www.jta.org/2017/07/17/news-opinion/united-states/roger-waters-concert-on-long-island-violates-anti-bds-law-lawmaker-says/

    http://www.spin.com/2017/07/roger-waters-bds-long-island-israel/


     
    It might be hypocritical...I am not sure yet and find it interesting as a point of law. Again I am not for shutting down Roger's right to perform or speak...his concert should go on. That being said I am not aware of what level of public dollars Nassau Coliseum receives. If Nassau receives public funds then certainly by law it cannot host a BDS event. A Roger Waters concert however is not a "BDS event" even if he personally supports it. The owner's of Nassaue Coliseum (I assume it's privately owned but don't know) might have to consider though whether it's reasonable to assume that a Roger Waters concert could become a platform for BDS which thereby affect there future ability to receive public funds and/or subsidies. Again this law doesn't prevent Rogers ability to speak anywhere in the state but it does prevent public dollars from flowing to him and/or associated businesses. I personally think his show should go on either way but don't find it objectionable that taxpayers do not want there money going to him or to associated businesses if he choose to make this show a platform for BDS.

    *Just to add...I am surprised that Roger Waters is willing to perform in states with anti-BDS laws on the books. If he was a true believer like he says he is then he should probably boycott these states as well. You would assume that in his eyes this anti-BDS legislation would be worse then a North Carolina bathroom law.
    appreciate the response...It's my understanding that Waters would be subject to fines, if what the legislator assumes is accurate.
    It is my opinion that supporting bds or not giving a shit about it at all is speech and should not be infringed upon.
    Radiohead is a close second to PJ for me, I don't have a problem with them playing Israel nor do I have a problem with history lessons and reminding them of illegal settlements, violations of and disregard of international law, war crimes, nuke treaties and the like. 
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,780
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,780
    let's stay on fascism and confusion...because I'm easily confused

    Anti-bds legislation is speech. It doesn't prevent BDS from mobilizing it is only a position to not financially endorse the movement with public dollars. I understand that this confuses many but it is actually quite simple. Even with anti-BDS legislation in place BDS can still organize, protest, and speak out against Israel wherever it chooses...it just has to do it without public dollars. Anti-BDS legislation requires BDS groups to decide which is more important...it's political stance or it's public money. In the end though they still get to make the choice. They still get to speak. Nobody is stopping them.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/

    THE CRIMINALIZATION OF political speech and activism against Israel has become one of the gravest threats to free speech in the west. In France, activists have been arrested and prosecuted for wearing t-shirts advocating a boycott of Israel. The U.K. has enacted a series of measures designed to outlaw such activism. In the U.S., governors compete with one anotherover who can implement the most extreme regulations to bar businesses from participating in any boycotts aimed even at Israeli settlements, which the world regards as illegal. On U.S. campuses, punishment of pro-Palestinian students for expressing criticisms of Israel is so commonplacethat the Center for Constitutional Rights refers to it as “the Palestine Exception” to free speech.

    But now, a group of 43 Senators – 29 Republicans and 14 Democrats – want to implement a law that would make it a felony for Americans to support the international boycott against Israel, which was launched in protest of that country’s decades-old occupation of Palestine. The two primary sponsors of the bill are Democrat Ben Cardin of Maryland and Republican Rob Portman of Ohio. Perhaps the most shocking aspect is the punishment: anyone guilty of violating its prohibitions will face a minimum civil penalty of $250,000, and a maximum criminal penalty of $1 million and 20 years in prison.

    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 5,902
    The fact that there are laws like that on the books, and proposed in various places shows us two things:
    the reach of the Israel lobby in our governments - that they are more beholden to these interests than their constituents.... And that BDS is relevant, working, and something feared by Israel.

    fuck Radiohead.  The last chance they have keeping me as a fan is if they have the balls to speak from the stage about the atrocities of the Israeli government...and not in some vague way that makes the OCCUPATION sound like a two way street.  If they don't, they're dead to me.  If they d...well, we will see how that goes...
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 5,902

    As has been said all along about both Radiohead's show and any potential PJshow there....you can say you don't support the goverent of Israel till you're blue in the face...but that won't stop them from using your brand/band to normalize their apartheid state.  Radiohead should be ashamed.  They won't live this down.   Is it really worth it?

    Radiohead gig promoted by Israeli diplomatic missions around the world

    Radiohead are a band that many had associated with progressive politics. But now it turns out they have an extraordinary following among Israeli diplomats and right-wing conservatives. From US radio host Glenn Beck and Tea Party Patriots co-founder Mark Meckler, a range of around twenty Israel lobby groups, and thirteen Israeli diplomatic missions around the world from Ireland to Colombia, these groups are united in their explicit contempt for the indigenous Palestinian people’s lives.

    The Jerusalem Post described Radiohead’s Israel gig and Thom Yorke’s rejection of the Palestinian call for BDS as “the best hasbara [advocacy] Israel has received lately”. Thom Yorke has defended their decision saying that “playing in a country isn’t the same as endorsing its government”, but the Israeli government and its supporters certainly do endorse Radiohead.
    Palestinian, Israeli and UK artists and activistshave repeatedly pointed to the inevitable instrumentalisation  of the band’s appearance in Tel Aviv by Israel and its supporters.

    Here are samples of messaging from June and July.

    (See link)

    https://artistsforpalestine.org.uk/2017/07/19/radiohead-gig-promoted-by-israeli-diplomatic-missions-around-the-world/


  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,780
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    The fact that there are laws like that on the books, and proposed in various places shows us two things:
    the reach of the Israel lobby in our governments - that they are more beholden to these interests than their constituents.... And that BDS is relevant, working, and something feared by Israel.

    fuck Radiohead.  The last chance they have keeping me as a fan is if they have the balls to speak from the stage about the atrocities of the Israeli government...and not in some vague way that makes the OCCUPATION sound like a two way street.  If they don't, they're dead to me.  If they d...well, we will see how that goes...
       BOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE!!

    I wouldn't go that far with Radiohead, life experiences changes things, no better example than Vedder. Is he dead to you?
    I know it's difficult to interpret the emotion filled passion filled music/lyrics of the past and say to yourself wtf happened, what changed (knowing nothing changed in reality except avg bank balances and all the niceties that come along with it).
    maybe their master plan is to get up there and talk about the atrocities, although I doubt it.
    thoughts?
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    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • BS44325BS44325 Posts: 5,060
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    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?
    Vicious yes. Blood dripping no. 
    Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.
    Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man. 
    No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.
    BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable. 




    what are your thoughts on anti bds and combating bds legislation? do they shut down free speech? 
    Anti-bds legislation is speech. It doesn't prevent BDS from mobilizing it is only a position to not financially endorse the movement with public dollars. I understand that this confuses many but it is actually quite simple. Even with anti-BDS legislation in place BDS can still organize, protest, and speak out against Israel wherever it chooses...it just has to do it without public dollars. Anti-BDS legislation requires BDS groups to decide which is more important...it's political stance or it's public money. In the end though they still get to make the choice. They still get to speak. Nobody is stopping them.
    we agree that this cannot be anymore hypocritical?


    https://www.google.com/amp/www.jta.org/2017/07/17/news-opinion/united-states/roger-waters-concert-on-long-island-violates-anti-bds-law-lawmaker-says/

    http://www.spin.com/2017/07/roger-waters-bds-long-island-israel/


     
    It might be hypocritical...I am not sure yet and find it interesting as a point of law. Again I am not for shutting down Roger's right to perform or speak...his concert should go on. That being said I am not aware of what level of public dollars Nassau Coliseum receives. If Nassau receives public funds then certainly by law it cannot host a BDS event. A Roger Waters concert however is not a "BDS event" even if he personally supports it. The owner's of Nassaue Coliseum (I assume it's privately owned but don't know) might have to consider though whether it's reasonable to assume that a Roger Waters concert could become a platform for BDS which thereby affect there future ability to receive public funds and/or subsidies. Again this law doesn't prevent Rogers ability to speak anywhere in the state but it does prevent public dollars from flowing to him and/or associated businesses. I personally think his show should go on either way but don't find it objectionable that taxpayers do not want there money going to him or to associated businesses if he choose to make this show a platform for BDS.

    *Just to add...I am surprised that Roger Waters is willing to perform in states with anti-BDS laws on the books. If he was a true believer like he says he is then he should probably boycott these states as well. You would assume that in his eyes this anti-BDS legislation would be worse then a North Carolina bathroom law.
    appreciate the response...It's my understanding that Waters would be subject to fines, if what the legislator assumes is accurate.
    It is my opinion that supporting bds or not giving a shit about it at all is speech and should not be infringed upon.
    Radiohead is a close second to PJ for me, I don't have a problem with them playing Israel nor do I have a problem with history lessons and reminding them of illegal settlements, violations of and disregard of international law, war crimes, nuke treaties and the like. 
    You could be right...the law is murky on this point as after all the legislation is pretty new. Personally I hope and imagine that Roger will be able to perform without issue. Speaking on behalf of BDS and practicing BDS are two very different things and what anti-BDS legislation was created to target was public universities and the like that choose to practice it. 



  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,780
    BS44325 said:
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    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?
    Vicious yes. Blood dripping no. 
    Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.
    Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man. 
    No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.
    BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable. 




    what are your thoughts on anti bds and combating bds legislation? do they shut down free speech? 
    Anti-bds legislation is speech. It doesn't prevent BDS from mobilizing it is only a position to not financially endorse the movement with public dollars. I understand that this confuses many but it is actually quite simple. Even with anti-BDS legislation in place BDS can still organize, protest, and speak out against Israel wherever it chooses...it just has to do it without public dollars. Anti-BDS legislation requires BDS groups to decide which is more important...it's political stance or it's public money. In the end though they still get to make the choice. They still get to speak. Nobody is stopping them.
    we agree that this cannot be anymore hypocritical?


    https://www.google.com/amp/www.jta.org/2017/07/17/news-opinion/united-states/roger-waters-concert-on-long-island-violates-anti-bds-law-lawmaker-says/

    http://www.spin.com/2017/07/roger-waters-bds-long-island-israel/


     
    It might be hypocritical...I am not sure yet and find it interesting as a point of law. Again I am not for shutting down Roger's right to perform or speak...his concert should go on. That being said I am not aware of what level of public dollars Nassau Coliseum receives. If Nassau receives public funds then certainly by law it cannot host a BDS event. A Roger Waters concert however is not a "BDS event" even if he personally supports it. The owner's of Nassaue Coliseum (I assume it's privately owned but don't know) might have to consider though whether it's reasonable to assume that a Roger Waters concert could become a platform for BDS which thereby affect there future ability to receive public funds and/or subsidies. Again this law doesn't prevent Rogers ability to speak anywhere in the state but it does prevent public dollars from flowing to him and/or associated businesses. I personally think his show should go on either way but don't find it objectionable that taxpayers do not want there money going to him or to associated businesses if he choose to make this show a platform for BDS.

    *Just to add...I am surprised that Roger Waters is willing to perform in states with anti-BDS laws on the books. If he was a true believer like he says he is then he should probably boycott these states as well. You would assume that in his eyes this anti-BDS legislation would be worse then a North Carolina bathroom law.
    appreciate the response...It's my understanding that Waters would be subject to fines, if what the legislator assumes is accurate.
    It is my opinion that supporting bds or not giving a shit about it at all is speech and should not be infringed upon.
    Radiohead is a close second to PJ for me, I don't have a problem with them playing Israel nor do I have a problem with history lessons and reminding them of illegal settlements, violations of and disregard of international law, war crimes, nuke treaties and the like. 
    You could be right...the law is murky on this point as after all the legislation is pretty new. Personally I hope and imagine that Roger will be able to perform without issue. Speaking on behalf of BDS and practicing BDS are two very different things and what anti-BDS legislation was created to target was public universities and the like that choose to practice it. 



    never accuse of of being correct, even "alluding" to it opens up conspiracy theories that you're a double agent.
    anyway, nice chatting. I finished some wings and downed too many vitamin Ys.
    I hope I'm not seated next to Ann Coulter!
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
  • Drowned OutDrowned Out Posts: 5,902
    I sincerely doubt that's their plan....even if it is, they are turning their back on the Palestinian request. They say they want to engage in dialogue and share their art and perform with other local artists...as Waters said, I hope Thom lets us all know about the benefits of chatting with Israeli musicians, about the changes he affects by doing so.  It will change nothing.  And dialogue?  Decades of dialogue have done nothing.  It is time for action.  No more effective action than a boycott.  

     Not sure what you're asking about Vedder...  He definitely doesn't seem as pricipled as he once did (the oracle and other private corp shows come to mind).....but that is very different from crossing a human rights picket line.  If they did play Israel, I would be saying the same about him/them.
  • JC29856JC29856 Posts: 8,780
    JC29856 said:
    BS44325 said:
    JC29856 said:
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    JC29856 said:
    BS44325 said:
    JC29856 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    BS44325 said:
    This is an important voice...

    http://www.newsweek.com/why-radiohead-should-perform-israel-638086

    It's a shame that so many want to shut it down.

    While I disagree with Michael Stipe's use of the term "occupation" he is entitled to his belief and his/Radiohead's approach is the correct one:

    http://pitchfork.com/news/michael-stipe-i-stand-with-radiohead-in-israel-concert-controversy/

    Radiohead is showing true courage and it would be nice to see Pearl Jam provide support in the same manner that Michael Stipe did. Art and freedom of expression are under assault by Roger Waters and the rest of BDS...they have no power to change Israel's behaviour so they focus on attacking artists who dare to bring their message to the people. Whether PJ weighs in or not it is quite clear now that Radiohead will not back down in the face of BDS facism and Waters and his brethren will take a massive hit tomorrow. A band who for decades could not be bought or sold, who maintained integrity in their art and their political positions, will not be silenced. Bravo to Radiohead for they have laid bare the viciousness of Waters and BDS and have showed other artists that they need not be afraid.
    Nice addition to the toxic discourse by using the term "fascist" to describe BDS in your defense of Israel but cry your faux outrage when those you disagree with use similar terms to describe Israel and their apartheid like treatment of the Palestinians. Yea, Roger Waters is vicious and he's got blood dripping from his hands, right professor?
    Vicious yes. Blood dripping no. 
    Ummmm, sure, vicious. You know what's vicious? An Israeli man killing his own daughter for loving a Muslim man. But no outrage from you. Your silence equals approval.
    Yes. Silence equals approval. A very rational statement by a very rational man. 
    No less rational than your insistence that anyone who uses the term "occupy" or "resistance" to describe anything other than the Jewish struggle against the Nazis is insinuating that they're making a comparison of the object, Trump for example, as or comparable to Nazis and the Nazi party and by so doing, are adding to the toxic discourse. Yet you come right out and call BDS fascists and claim your discourse is civil. Typical apologist.
    BDS aims to shut down speech. It aims to shut down art. It is fascist. It's discourse is not civil. Sorry for exposing you to that which makes you uncomfortable. 




    what are your thoughts on anti bds and combating bds legislation? do they shut down free speech? 
    Anti-bds legislation is speech. It doesn't prevent BDS from mobilizing it is only a position to not financially endorse the movement with public dollars. I understand that this confuses many but it is actually quite simple. Even with anti-BDS legislation in place BDS can still organize, protest, and speak out against Israel wherever it chooses...it just has to do it without public dollars. Anti-BDS legislation requires BDS groups to decide which is more important...it's political stance or it's public money. In the end though they still get to make the choice. They still get to speak. Nobody is stopping them.
    we agree that this cannot be anymore hypocritical?


    https://www.google.com/amp/www.jta.org/2017/07/17/news-opinion/united-states/roger-waters-concert-on-long-island-violates-anti-bds-law-lawmaker-says/

    http://www.spin.com/2017/07/roger-waters-bds-long-island-israel/


     
    It might be hypocritical...I am not sure yet and find it interesting as a point of law. Again I am not for shutting down Roger's right to perform or speak...his concert should go on. That being said I am not aware of what level of public dollars Nassau Coliseum receives. If Nassau receives public funds then certainly by law it cannot host a BDS event. A Roger Waters concert however is not a "BDS event" even if he personally supports it. The owner's of Nassaue Coliseum (I assume it's privately owned but don't know) might have to consider though whether it's reasonable to assume that a Roger Waters concert could become a platform for BDS which thereby affect there future ability to receive public funds and/or subsidies. Again this law doesn't prevent Rogers ability to speak anywhere in the state but it does prevent public dollars from flowing to him and/or associated businesses. I personally think his show should go on either way but don't find it objectionable that taxpayers do not want there money going to him or to associated businesses if he choose to make this show a platform for BDS.

    *Just to add...I am surprised that Roger Waters is willing to perform in states with anti-BDS laws on the books. If he was a true believer like he says he is then he should probably boycott these states as well. You would assume that in his eyes this anti-BDS legislation would be worse then a North Carolina bathroom law.
    appreciate the response...It's my understanding that Waters would be subject to fines, if what the legislator assumes is accurate.
    It is my opinion that supporting bds or not giving a shit about it at all is speech and should not be infringed upon.
    Radiohead is a close second to PJ for me, I don't have a problem with them playing Israel nor do I have a problem with history lessons and reminding them of illegal settlements, violations of and disregard of international law, war crimes, nuke treaties and the like. 
    You could be right...the law is murky on this point as after all the legislation is pretty new. Personally I hope and imagine that Roger will be able to perform without issue. Speaking on behalf of BDS and practicing BDS are two very different things and what anti-BDS legislation was created to target was public universities and the like that choose to practice it. 



    never accuse of of being correct, even "alluding" to it opens up conspiracy theories that you're a double agent.
    anyway, nice chatting. I finished some wings and downed too many vitamin Ys.
    I hope I'm not seated next to Ann Coulter!
    just as I hit post comment, the first cords of evenflow sounded in this establishment, sweet...oddly enough upon the first lyrics suddenly my bladder feels full!!
    (And these questions can be re-phrased and asked about 90% of what you asked)
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