Climate Myths

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edited February 2013 in A Moving Train
Bringing up the subject of climate change always seems redundant to me. Someone could tell me I need to find something else to think about and I would have a hard time arguing with that... except... it really is a relevant subject and the situation is not going to go away.

There is a wealth of information on the internet, in scientific journals and in books about what science has learned about climate change and what is causing it. I've often wished for one source that encapsulates this information and serves to dispel the efforts of corporately sponsored organizations who go to great lengths to try to convince people climate change is either not real, not a problem, not caused by human activity (i.e. anthropogenic), or- in some odd cases- that it is good for us.

So I was very pleased to come across a new book that does just that; Climate Myths, The Campaign Against Climate Science by John J. Berger. Berger is not a politician. Berger is a graduate from Stanford, has a masters in energy and natural resources from UC Berkeley and a Ph.D. in ecology from UC Davis. He is well respected in his field, written several books, and served as a consultant on energy and natural resource issues to government, scientific, academic and non-profit organizations as well as the U.S. Congress and National Academy of Sciences.

If you sincerely care about the subject of climate change and are in doubt that human activity is the major cause of the present rapid changes in the world's climate, I highly recommend reading this book. If you are like me and would like a good, reliable resource that compiles straightforward information that dispels the efforts of corporate sponsored climate deniers, this book serves as an excellent resource.
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  • brianlux" said:
    Bringing up the subject of climate change always seems redundant to me. Someone could tell me I need to find something else to think about and I would have a hard time arguing with that... except... it really is a relevant subject and the situation is not going to go away.

    There is a wealth of information on the internet, in scientific journals and in books about what science has learned about climate change and what is causing it. I've often wished for one source that encapsulates this information and serves to dispel the efforts of corporately sponsored organizations who go to great lengths to try to convince people climate change is either not real, not a problem, not caused by human activity (i.e. anthropogenic), or- in some odd cases- that it is good for us.

    So I was very pleased to come across a new book that does just that; Climate Myths, The Campaign Against Climate Science by John J. Berger. Berger is not a politician. Berger is a graduate from Stanford, has a masters in energy and natural resources from UC Berkeley and a Ph.D. in ecology from UC Davis. He is well respected in his field, written several books, and served as a consultant on energy and natural resource issues to government, scientific, academic and non-profit organizations as well as the U.S. Congress and National Academy of Sciences.

    If you sincerely care about the subject of climate change and are in doubt that human activity is the major cause of the present rapid changes in the world's climate, I highly recommend reading this book. If you are like me and would like a good, reliable resource that compiles straightforward information that dispels the efforts of corporate sponsored climate deniers, this book serves as an excellent resource.
    I might have to read that. I'm fascinated by the subject and I'd like to learn more about it. Actually, I NEED to learn more about it. However, just because he's no politician, doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't have an agenda. How do we know he's just out for truth and not pushing something?
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  • Hugh Freaking Dillon" said:

    I might have to read that. I'm fascinated by the subject and I'd like to learn more about it. Actually, I NEED to learn more about it. However, just because he's no politician, doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't have an agenda. How do we know he's just out for truth and not pushing something?
    I recommend you google his name and see who's been signing his checks and why. You have a healthy skepticism that should be satisfied.

    That doesn't necessarily negate anything he says. But, it is fair to ask the question you are asking.
    Sorry. The world doesn't work the way you tell it to.
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 9,553
    Hugh Freaking Dillon" said:
    [quote="brianlux"]Bringing up the subject of climate change always seems redundant to me. Someone could tell me I need to find something else to think about and I would have a hard time arguing with that... except... it really is a relevant subject and the situation is not going to go away.

    There is a wealth of information on the internet, in scientific journals and in books about what science has learned about climate change and what is causing it. I've often wished for one source that encapsulates this information and serves to dispel the efforts of corporately sponsored organizations who go to great lengths to try to convince people climate change is either not real, not a problem, not caused by human activity (i.e. anthropogenic), or- in some odd cases- that it is good for us.

    So I was very pleased to come across a new book that does just that; Climate Myths, The Campaign Against Climate Science by John J. Berger. Berger is not a politician. Berger is a graduate from Stanford, has a masters in energy and natural resources from UC Berkeley and a Ph.D. in ecology from UC Davis. He is well respected in his field, written several books, and served as a consultant on energy and natural resource issues to government, scientific, academic and non-profit organizations as well as the U.S. Congress and National Academy of Sciences.

    If you sincerely care about the subject of climate change and are in doubt that human activity is the major cause of the present rapid changes in the world's climate, I highly recommend reading this book. If you are like me and would like a good, reliable resource that compiles straightforward information that dispels the efforts of corporate sponsored climate deniers, this book serves as an excellent resource.
    I might have to read that. I'm fascinated by the subject and I'd like to learn more about it. Actually, I NEED to learn more about it. However, just because he's no politician, doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't have an agenda. How do we know he's just out for truth and not pushing something?[/quote]

    How do you know I'm not pushing an agenda and telling you what I have learned about climate science not because I care about it but because I like to start circular arguments? At some point, Hugh, we need to start trusting people who study these things. How many books, how many article, how much massive collected data do we need to provide before people will listen and understand? The evidence is overwhelming. It's all over the place and vast majority of publishes scientists agree with it.

    Adams Center, Missoula, MT 09/30/12
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 9,553
    EdsonNascimento" said:
    [quote="Hugh Freaking Dillon"]
    I might have to read that. I'm fascinated by the subject and I'd like to learn more about it. Actually, I NEED to learn more about it. However, just because he's no politician, doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't have an agenda. How do we know he's just out for truth and not pushing something?
    I recommend you google his name and see who's been signing his checks and why. You have a healthy skepticism that should be satisfied.

    That doesn't necessarily negate anything he says. But, it is fair to ask the question you are asking.[/quote]

    Edson, see my response to Hugh above. If you don't like this guys credential, I can provide another scientists view, and another and another and another. The vast majority of published scientists agree with what this book says. How much information do I have to provide? The evidence is overwhelming... and I'm overwhelmed by the frustration of knowing what is coming down while we argue the fine points. The car is speeding toward the brick wall and we'll argue all the while until we hit and it's too late to even slow down.

    Sorry for being so dramatic. :oops:

    Adams Center, Missoula, MT 09/30/12
  • brianlux" said:
    [quote="EdsonNascimento"][quote="Hugh Freaking Dillon"]
    I might have to read that. I'm fascinated by the subject and I'd like to learn more about it. Actually, I NEED to learn more about it. However, just because he's no politician, doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't have an agenda. How do we know he's just out for truth and not pushing something?
    I recommend you google his name and see who's been signing his checks and why. You have a healthy skepticism that should be satisfied.

    That doesn't necessarily negate anything he says. But, it is fair to ask the question you are asking.[/quote]

    Edson, see my response to Hugh above. If you don't like this guys credential, I can provide another scientists view, and another and another and another. The vast majority of published scientists agree with what this book says. How much information do I have to provide? The evidence is overwhelming... and I'm overwhelmed by the frustration of knowing what is coming down while we argue the fine points. The car is speeding toward the brick wall and we'll argue all the while until we hit and it's too late to even slow down.

    Sorry for being so dramatic. :oops:[/quote]

    Brian, if you noticed, I specifically said it doesn't discount anything. I respect you, and even if I didn't I still try to read and listen to as many view points as possible. But, you'd have to agree knowing where a view point is coming from is critical to accepting it. Simple acceptance to me is not real. It's simply being yet another psychophant following the crowd (so to speak).

    So, all I said was - google and answer your question (you'll notice I didn't say what in it he should look for. He should decide that for himself).

    Always consider the source. But, that does not necessarily mean to negate it solely on that fact (well, unless it's MSNBC). Ignoring something BECAUSE of the source is a good way to become stupid. It's just one consideration of the facts.
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  • brianlux" said:
    [quote="Hugh Freaking Dillon"][quote="brianlux"]Bringing up the subject of climate change always seems redundant to me. Someone could tell me I need to find something else to think about and I would have a hard time arguing with that... except... it really is a relevant subject and the situation is not going to go away.

    There is a wealth of information on the internet, in scientific journals and in books about what science has learned about climate change and what is causing it. I've often wished for one source that encapsulates this information and serves to dispel the efforts of corporately sponsored organizations who go to great lengths to try to convince people climate change is either not real, not a problem, not caused by human activity (i.e. anthropogenic), or- in some odd cases- that it is good for us.

    So I was very pleased to come across a new book that does just that; Climate Myths, The Campaign Against Climate Science by John J. Berger. Berger is not a politician. Berger is a graduate from Stanford, has a masters in energy and natural resources from UC Berkeley and a Ph.D. in ecology from UC Davis. He is well respected in his field, written several books, and served as a consultant on energy and natural resource issues to government, scientific, academic and non-profit organizations as well as the U.S. Congress and National Academy of Sciences.

    If you sincerely care about the subject of climate change and are in doubt that human activity is the major cause of the present rapid changes in the world's climate, I highly recommend reading this book. If you are like me and would like a good, reliable resource that compiles straightforward information that dispels the efforts of corporate sponsored climate deniers, this book serves as an excellent resource.
    I might have to read that. I'm fascinated by the subject and I'd like to learn more about it. Actually, I NEED to learn more about it. However, just because he's no politician, doesn't necessarily mean he doesn't have an agenda. How do we know he's just out for truth and not pushing something?[/quote]

    How do you know I'm not pushing an agenda and telling you what I have learned about climate science not because I care about it but because I like to start circular arguments? At some point, Hugh, we need to start trusting people who study these things. How many books, how many article, how much massive collected data do we need to provide before people will listen and understand? The evidence is overwhelming. It's all over the place and vast majority of publishes scientists agree with it.[/quote]

    Brian, I know you are passionate about this topic, so I need to let you know that I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm trying to learn about it, because I admittedly don't know that much on this topic. For the last several years I have just taken it as gospel that climate change as cause by humans is a fact. I'd like to learn more about it, to try to learn why we think it is caused by us. I mean, it recently hit me that all the data we have (that I know of) is based on the last 150 years, which in relative terms, is practically a millisecond in time if anything at all.

    I'm sure the vast majority of scientists are correct. I'd just like to know what they've got. I'm a skeptic in all facets of life. I have a thirst for knowledge.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 7,826
    brianlux" said:
    At some point, Hugh, we need to start trusting people who study these things.

    This is a good point. I'm guilty of being overly skeptical at times about agendas, etc. But what you say is the truth. Otherwise you do nothing and learn nothing because there is always a reason to be skeptical.
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  • cincybearcat" said:
    [quote="brianlux"] At some point, Hugh, we need to start trusting people who study these things.

    This is a good point. I'm guilty of being overly skeptical at times about agendas, etc. But what you say is the truth. Otherwise you do nothing and learn nothing because there is always a reason to be skeptical.[/quote]

    there's nothing wrong with, and I'd actually encourage people to, vet the folks who study these things. I think that's one of the main keys of being informed.
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  • cincybearcatcincybearcat Posts: 7,826
    Hugh Freaking Dillon" said:
    [quote="cincybearcat"][quote="brianlux"] At some point, Hugh, we need to start trusting people who study these things.

    This is a good point. I'm guilty of being overly skeptical at times about agendas, etc. But what you say is the truth. Otherwise you do nothing and learn nothing because there is always a reason to be skeptical.[/quote]

    there's nothing wrong with, and I'd actually encourage people to, vet the folks who study these things. I think that's one of the main keys of being informed.[/quote]


    No I agree. But at some point you are going to have to read and trust somebody.
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  • cincybearcat" said:


    No I agree. But at some point you are going to have to read and trust somebody.
    based on all the information gathered and making an informed conclusion, yes.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 9,553
    Hugh Freaking Dillon" said:


    Brian, I know you are passionate about this topic, so I need to let you know that I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm trying to learn about it, because I admittedly don't know that much on this topic. For the last several years I have just taken it as gospel that climate change as cause by humans is a fact. I'd like to learn more about it, to try to learn why we think it is caused by us. I mean, it recently hit me that all the data we have (that I know of) is based on the last 150 years, which in relative terms, is practically a millisecond in time if anything at all.

    I'm sure the vast majority of scientists are correct. I'd just like to know what they've got. I'm a skeptic in all facets of life. I have a thirst for knowledge.
    Hugh, it's true that specific climate data only goes back about 150 years but general climate trends have been measured into the millions of years using antarctic ice core samples that measure chemical changes over the eons. Scientist understand fairly clearly that the prior major climate changes in the past were caused by cataclysmic events such as the K-Pg extinction event which ended the Mesozoic Era caused by blocked sunlight due to a impact by massive meteor. This is evidenced by the 110 mile wide Chicxulub crater in Mexico.

    We would be wise to react to the rapid rate at which climate is changing today the same way we would react to any cataclysmic event, the beginnings of which, indeed, are what we are living through right now.

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  • As I posted on the All you Climate change nuts thread, there is a documentary called Chasing Ice out now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIZTMVNBjc4 The man behind it is a National Geographic photographer, James Balog, who was skeptical about climate change. He put cameras on glaciers all over the globe and the cameras snapped hourly shots on a timer for three years. After several months, the cameras were down loaded and the images he collected really tell a story. You don't have to read about it and come to a conclusion -- you can see these changes happen before your eyes. Check it out
    And the sun it may be shining . . . but there's an ocean in my eyes
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 9,553
    oceaninmyeyes" said:
    As I posted on the All you Climate change nuts thread, there is a documentary called Chasing Ice out now. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIZTMVNBjc4 The man behind it is a National Geographic photographer, James Balog, who was skeptical about climate change. He put cameras on glaciers all over the globe and the cameras snapped hourly shots on a timer for three years. After several months, the cameras were down loaded and the images he collected really tell a story. You don't have to read about it and come to a conclusion -- you can see these changes happen before your eyes. Check it out
    This looks excellent. Thanks for the heads up. Look forward to seeing it!

    Adams Center, Missoula, MT 09/30/12
  • brianlux" said:
    [quote="Hugh Freaking Dillon"]

    Brian, I know you are passionate about this topic, so I need to let you know that I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm trying to learn about it, because I admittedly don't know that much on this topic. For the last several years I have just taken it as gospel that climate change as cause by humans is a fact. I'd like to learn more about it, to try to learn why we think it is caused by us. I mean, it recently hit me that all the data we have (that I know of) is based on the last 150 years, which in relative terms, is practically a millisecond in time if anything at all.

    I'm sure the vast majority of scientists are correct. I'd just like to know what they've got. I'm a skeptic in all facets of life. I have a thirst for knowledge.
    Hugh, it's true that specific climate data only goes back about 150 years but general climate trends have been measured into the millions of years using antarctic ice core samples that measure chemical changes over the eons. Scientist understand fairly clearly that the prior major climate changes in the past were caused by cataclysmic events such as the K-Pg extinction event which ended the Mesozoic Era caused by blocked sunlight due to a impact by massive meteor. This is evidenced by the 110 mile wide Chicxulub crater in Mexico.

    We would be wise to react to the rapid rate at which climate is changing today the same way we would react to any cataclysmic event, the beginnings of which, indeed, are what we are living through right now.[/quote]

    THANK YOU. this is the information I was looking for.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 9,553
    Hugh Freaking Dillon" said:


    THANK YOU. this is the information I was looking for.
    Your welcome! Here's Berger's web site with more info on the book I mentioned:

    http://www.johnjberger.com/John_J._Berg ... 12%29.html

    and here's a site that has a ton of info on climate. Although some of it is rather technical, there are good articles for the layperson as well:

    http://www.realclimate.org/

    Adams Center, Missoula, MT 09/30/12
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 12,031
    here is global warming in a nutshell ... for one to disprove AGW - you need to disprove any one of the following (please note that none of it relates to historical temperature records):

    the greenhouse effect (suggest searching on it)
    basically, heat comes from the sun - hit the earth and bounces back into space ... greenhouse gases such as co2 and methane act as blankets and trap the heat ... although water vapour is also a greenhouse gas and is the most abundant ... it's proportion has been relatively stable over time ... by increasing greenhouse gases into the atmosphere - we are artificially warming the planet ...

    now - on that alone we have what is global warming ... what are the impacts of global warming?

    climate change, rising sea levels, decreased sea ice to name a few

    climate change
    so, beyond the basic impacts associated with a warmer planet ... climate change refers to the overall impacts to weather patterns ... how does this work? ... basically weather is caused by a multitude of variables ... of which the most significant is temperature ... temperature variations creates changes in pressure ... changes in pressure create wind ... etc. so, it reasons that by artificially increasing the temperature - you are affecting weather ... hence the notion that we will have more extreme weather events while at the same time altering traditional weather patterns over the long haul

    sea ice ... should hopefully be self explanatory as well as in conjunction to sea level rises ...

    so ...you see, the historical temperatures or history of the earth is secondary ... the temperature charts show a significant correlation between greenhouse gases and temperature ... which essentially corroborates the basic scientific principle of the greenhouse effect ... something that doesn't require centuries of temperature data to prove ... you can do it as a science experiment anywhere ...
  • polaris_x" said:
    here is global warming in a nutshell ... for one to disprove AGW - you need to disprove any one of the following (please note that none of it relates to historical temperature records):

    the greenhouse effect (suggest searching on it)
    basically, heat comes from the sun - hit the earth and bounces back into space ... greenhouse gases such as co2 and methane act as blankets and trap the heat ... although water vapour is also a greenhouse gas and is the most abundant ... it's proportion has been relatively stable over time ... by increasing greenhouse gases into the atmosphere - we are artificially warming the planet ...

    now - on that alone we have what is global warming ... what are the impacts of global warming?

    climate change, rising sea levels, decreased sea ice to name a few

    climate change
    so, beyond the basic impacts associated with a warmer planet ... climate change refers to the overall impacts to weather patterns ... how does this work? ... basically weather is caused by a multitude of variables ... of which the most significant is temperature ... temperature variations creates changes in pressure ... changes in pressure create wind ... etc. so, it reasons that by artificially increasing the temperature - you are affecting weather ... hence the notion that we will have more extreme weather events while at the same time altering traditional weather patterns over the long haul

    sea ice ... should hopefully be self explanatory as well as in conjunction to sea level rises ...

    so ...you see, the historical temperatures or history of the earth is secondary ... the temperature charts show a significant correlation between greenhouse gases and temperature ... which essentially corroborates the basic scientific principle of the greenhouse effect ... something that doesn't require centuries of temperature data to prove ... you can do it as a science experiment anywhere ...

    thank you polaris.
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  • know1know1 Posts: 6,087
    polaris_x" said:
    so ...you see, the historical temperatures or history of the earth is secondary ... the temperature charts show a significant correlation between greenhouse gases and temperature ... which essentially corroborates the basic scientific principle of the greenhouse effect ... something that doesn't require centuries of temperature data to prove ... you can do it as a science experiment anywhere ...
    So how much more greenhouse gas is in the atmosphere today as compared to on this date 300 years ago?
    The only people we should try to get even with...
    ...are those who've helped us.

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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 9,553
    know1" said:
    [quote="polaris_x"]so ...you see, the historical temperatures or history of the earth is secondary ... the temperature charts show a significant correlation between greenhouse gases and temperature ... which essentially corroborates the basic scientific principle of the greenhouse effect ... something that doesn't require centuries of temperature data to prove ... you can do it as a science experiment anywhere ...
    So how much more greenhouse gas is in the atmosphere today as compared to on this date 300 years ago?[/quote]

    Why do believe that is that relevant?

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  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 12,031
    brianlux" said:
    [quote="know1"][quote="polaris_x"]so ...you see, the historical temperatures or history of the earth is secondary ... the temperature charts show a significant correlation between greenhouse gases and temperature ... which essentially corroborates the basic scientific principle of the greenhouse effect ... something that doesn't require centuries of temperature data to prove ... you can do it as a science experiment anywhere ...
    So how much more greenhouse gas is in the atmosphere today as compared to on this date 300 years ago?[/quote]

    Why do believe that is that relevant?[/quote]

    exactly ... still missing the point ... :(
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 9,553
    polaris_x" said:
    [quote="brianlux"][quote="know1"]

    Why do believe that is that relevant?
    exactly ... still missing the point ... :([/quote][/quote]

    OMG- you were able to interpret that statement!

    (Note to self: Wake up before you post!)

    Again, know1:
    Why do you believe that is relevant?

    Adams Center, Missoula, MT 09/30/12
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 9,553
    brianlux" said:
    Bringing up the subject of climate change always seems redundant to me. Someone could tell me I need to find something else to think about and I would have a hard time arguing with that... except... it really is a relevant subject and the situation is not going to go away.

    There is a wealth of information on the internet, in scientific journals and in books about what science has learned about climate change and what is causing it. I've often wished for one source that encapsulates this information and serves to dispel the efforts of corporately sponsored organizations who go to great lengths to try to convince people climate change is either not real, not a problem, not caused by human activity (i.e. anthropogenic), or- in some odd cases- that it is good for us.

    So I was very pleased to come across a new book that does just that; Climate Myths, The Campaign Against Climate Science by John J. Berger. Berger is not a politician. Berger is a graduate from Stanford, has a masters in energy and natural resources from UC Berkeley and a Ph.D. in ecology from UC Davis. He is well respected in his field, written several books, and served as a consultant on energy and natural resource issues to government, scientific, academic and non-profit organizations as well as the U.S. Congress and National Academy of Sciences.

    If you sincerely care about the subject of climate change and are in doubt that human activity is the major cause of the present rapid changes in the world's climate, I highly recommend reading this book. If you are like me and would like a good, reliable resource that compiles straightforward information that dispels the efforts of corporate sponsored climate deniers, this book serves as an excellent resource.
    It recently came to my attention that the book I referred to in the above post will be officially released by Northbrae Books in just under a month from now. For more information on John J. Berger and his excellent work go to:

    http://www.johnjberger.com/John_J._Berg ... urces.html

    Adams Center, Missoula, MT 09/30/12
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 12,031
    i thought this would fit into this thread about myths ... here are some about the electric car ...

    http://grist.org/business-technology/tu ... newsletter
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 10,704
    polaris_x" said:
    i thought this would fit into this thread about myths ... here are some about the electric car ...

    http://grist.org/business-technology/tu ... newsletter
    So it isn't a myth that if you drive an electric car you are a smug prick that looks down your nose upon everyone else?

    :P
  • polaris_xpolaris_x Posts: 12,031
    Jason P" said:
    So it isn't a myth that if you drive an electric car you are a smug prick that looks down your nose upon everyone else?

    :P
    that is probably true ... :lol:

    edit: related to the article ... they opened up a tesla dealership inside the busiest mall here ... their initial estimates were that they were going to sell 50 cars a month ... they've sold 200 ... which is a huge number ...
  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 9,553
    My car is a Prius my wife has an SUV. But I'll tell you this- she is a better person than I am. That is a fact, not a myth.

    Adams Center, Missoula, MT 09/30/12
  • Jason PJason P Posts: 10,704
    polaris_x" said:
    edit: related to the article ... they opened up a tesla dealership inside the busiest mall here ... their initial estimates were that they were going to sell 50 cars a month ... they've sold 200 ... which is a huge number ...
    Very good considering the cheapest model starts at $60K.

    In the end, it will all come down to the technology getting cheaper so it is more economical to buy an electric car. Spending $30K to get a car that would be $20K with a gas motor doesn't appeal to the masses. And that's the problem. The people that really need the savings when filling up can't afford the electric cars.
  • brianlux" said:
    My car is a Prius my wife has an SUV. But I'll tell you this- she is a better person than I am. That is a fact, not a myth.
    I believe that.



    ;)
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain.Posts: 9,553
    cincybearcat" said:
    [quote="brianlux"]My car is a Prius my wife has an SUV. But I'll tell you this- she is a better person than I am. That is a fact, not a myth.
    I believe that.



    ;)[/quote]

    :lol: I'll tell her you said so, Cincy. It'll brighten her day! :lol:

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